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On April 16 2013 13:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 13:43 syllogism wrote:On April 16 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.
But u guys were still caught via the minimal activity u did produce?
Ironically, I caught Ryan off one of your posts.
And I was pretty happy yam nuked you after you tried to shit on us for not following through with FMB when you yourself provoked no further discourse with them. I was not. No one could articulate a single reason for thinking that I'm mafia except for being less active than some other townies. My activity dropped after 24 hours because I realized that Sandro, SnB and Drazerk weren't playing the game and rayn/oats are going to definitely get lynched How do you think people catch mafia, in an objective sense? Honestly, you being less active and less involved is a perfectly good tell, in my opinion.
I agree, it is a fairly good tell until I do that as town. Anyway, there were town hydra HEADS which were less active than me, but of course no one gave a shit about the fact that I had to play alone.
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Lol. Your own post plied to you then.
You felt compelled to post to keep up appearances.
Your own post suggested this was Mafia inclination.
Anyways I'm on tablet so too hard to read qt. But iirc gk noticed your first coup.e posts achieved nothing, and didn't. Look like you were trying to figure things out.
For a player of your calibre he treated that as a scum tell.
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How about looking at the filters of town players to see what they achieved. Meanwhile I suggested an incredibly towny plan, and yes I genuinely did not know you could nuke over PMs. Anyway I don't really feel like discussing this, since you are clearly approaching the issue from a position of confirmation bias.
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On April 16 2013 13:48 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 13:47 yamato77 wrote:On April 16 2013 13:43 syllogism wrote:On April 16 2013 13:41 Mocsta wrote:
Lol.
But u guys were still caught via the minimal activity u did produce?
Ironically, I caught Ryan off one of your posts.
And I was pretty happy yam nuked you after you tried to shit on us for not following through with FMB when you yourself provoked no further discourse with them. I was not. No one could articulate a single reason for thinking that I'm mafia except for being less active than some other townies. My activity dropped after 24 hours because I realized that Sandro, SnB and Drazerk weren't playing the game and rayn/oats are going to definitely get lynched How do you think people catch mafia, in an objective sense? Honestly, you being less active and less involved is a perfectly good tell, in my opinion. I agree, it is a fairly good tell until I do that as town. Anyway, there were town hydra HEADS which were less active than me, but of course no one gave a shit about the fact that I had to play alone.
Yes, but isn't that the case for every "tell" in the game? Isn't it all relative to the player in question? I find it impossibly hard to formulate a case where I don't talk about what I EXPECT from the player in question versus what I am seeing.
Yes, I understand that there were less active heads, and we were about to lynch one on day one until town managed to realize that it wasn't good to let a lynch go down the way it was. I feel bad for you, in this game, and understand that you are frustrated, because it was a shit situation. Inactivity in a mafia team absolutely murders their chances of winning.
Me nuking you was a shot in the dark, I will agree. I was in no way certain of your alignment, but it turned out to be a decent shot in the end. I'm not saying I caught you 100% infallibly, or that the metric I used this game will work in the future, but simply that I did manage to correctly guess your alignment based on how involved I perceived you to be with the game.
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No, it was ok to nuke me after rayn flipped mafia, since I was ignoring him and he had poked me with some irrelevant questions. Since I had no confidence in me/sandro surviving a lylo, it wasn't really possible to play for a longer game
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You did manage to construct a completely plausible alternate narrative to my explanation of your level of involvement. However, it came too late. If there had been an anti-nuker, your chances of winning this game increase drastically, because it allows the possibility of mafia to argue their way out of a nuke instead of it being a death sentence. You were convincing after you came back, even to me. I started doubting myself; that's why I didn't continue to argue with you.
It's difficult to connect causality to the tell that I believe I picked up on, because obviously you were demotivated by more than simply rolling mafia. I do think that strong town players like yourself are predisposed to being less active as mafia simply because of your personal preferences. This might be a faulty assumption, but I do think that you're more likely to be less involved as mafia than as town.
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I was scum in last hydra.
My partner didn't show up first cycle
And the other scum was caught immediately after cycle 1. They then proceeded to afk.
I know its demoralizing, especially because hydra format is town favoured. I was pointing out, you did not play in my opinion, as good a scum game as you thought you did. Maybe that's confirmed,motion biased. But it is my opinion regardless.
Like I said. That you ignored me using your quote to hammer Rayn should have said it all. And I repeated that quote like three or four times.
Then the flip on fmb where you tried to shit on us, for something you were guilty of. I just couldn't see a town syllo making that move, even though I haven't played with you before.
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I don't think I played good scum game. I didn't push anything, it was pure survival play. There is nothing particularly impressive not getting caught based on content on day 1. All I'm saying is that the reasons listed so far, apart from meta activity read, are largely fictional. Me ignoring your quote isn't particularly relevant, though me ignoring rayn completely is. That was an intentional choice rather a mistake as I thought the only way to win was to get mislynches on day 1 and 2 and I could never survive lylo even if I bussed my teammates.
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Well, I get caught in all my scum games on day 1 based on content, so yeah, I'm terrible.
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I'm not sure what flip on FMB are you talking about. Probably talking about Sandro's posts
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Might have been Sandro
Slj accused ma of being scummy because we agreed with your points on fmb. But never followed it up.
Was ironic because you guys did nothing with it, and we had a vote on someone else.
Anyways, all done n dusted. 2 nukes prob too powerful.but if we were ued I don't think we would have shot down the nuke. U didn't do anything with the time you had.
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For my part syllogism your repeated excuse of needing to talk to Sandro tipped me off. It's true that he wasn't rhere and that would have been frustrating regardless of alignment but the way you kept excusing yourself from discussing reads meaningfully did you no favors.
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That being said I think you played quite well considering your reputation as scum and the inactivity of your team.
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Blazinghand
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Looks like another town victory thanks to the hard work of Blazinghand
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On April 16 2013 14:49 Blazinghand wrote:
Looks like another town victory thanks to the hard work of Blazinghand
Do you ever get tired of carrying us scrubs?
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Blazinghand
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On April 16 2013 14:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 14:49 Blazinghand wrote:
Looks like another town victory thanks to the hard work of Blazinghand Do you ever get tired of carrying us scrubs?
Actually for some reason, this time it took like literally no effort at all! Weird huh?
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I want to be just like you when I grow up.
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On April 16 2013 14:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
For my part syllogism your repeated excuse of needing to talk to Sandro tipped me off. It's true that he wasn't rhere and that would have been frustrating regardless of alignment but the way you kept excusing yourself from discussing reads meaningfully did you no favors.
Hmm I never really used that as an excuse. Maybe one post could be interpreted that way, but it was meant as a sign of frustration rather than an excuse and it was one of the last posts I made before getting nuked
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From my perspective syllo, it looked not like town syllo at all, like you were trying but being useless, you werent involved in the day 1 lynch at all.
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Sandro thought my filter looked towny after the first 24 hours, but like I said, my activity dropped while it became apparent our team wasn't interested in playing the game (except Oats).
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