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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
WoS last post where he declared "anyone who thinks i'm scum is silly / scum" seemed genuine and i'm not sure if Tunkeg / Axle had pushed his on D1 the way they did if he was scum with them. prplhz looks worse than before for not taking a clear stance on me/oats/palmar and for waiting for "confirmed" people to talk before saying anything for realz. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On April 11 2013 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably WoS, but i'm still waiting on his/prplhz' answers to my questions. WoS last post where he declared "anyone who thinks i'm scum is silly / scum" seemed genuine and i'm not sure if Tunkeg / Axle had pushed his on D1 the way they did if he was scum with them. prplhz looks worse than before for not taking a clear stance on me/oats/palmar and for waiting for "confirmed" people to talk before saying anything for realz. Interesting. Well I am going to sleep as it is far past my bedtime. I shall endeavour to catch some scum tomorrow. Thanks for your input. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On April 11 2013 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already pointed out it was pretty clear that time that me & you were more in favor of lynching Axle rather than Ace. Ace would have voted for Axle over himself (obviously). A good player like Palmar as scum would see there is pretty much no way of saving Axle at that point. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
The Cheesecake Votecount: Oatsmaster (L-3): raynpelikoneet Not Voting (6): 6 mans 4 Votes needed for a lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
-Tunkeg's first case. Points out finger on me/Oats/WoS and votes for WoS. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=23#448 - At that time Palmar / marv argue which of scib/WoS to lynch. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (3): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Palmar WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, marvellosity AxleGreaser (1): prplhz iamperfection (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (4): AxleGreaser, sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - marv / Tunkeg talk about WoS/scib connection. - iamp wants to lynch prpl, DP Oats - Oats drops in with a comment on Ace, asks marv about it - Oats questions marv's null read on Ace - DP votes for Oats - scib thinks WoS is town - DP says he does not want to lynch scib, and wants to give WoS more time, pushes Oats further - Axle votes for scib: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=28#552 - DP questions his vote. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (4): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, AxleGreaser WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, marvellosity AxleGreaser (1): prplhz iamperfection (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (3): sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - DP pushes Oats more, goes to sleep. - iamp questions Oats "hey do you want to kill Axle?" - marv defends Oats "Oats isn't scum." - Oats answers iamp: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=29#573 - Tunkeg makes the big case on WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=30#581 - Oats asks Tunkeg if he thinks scib is town, no comment on case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=30#586 - Next post Oats questions Axle (who does he want to lynch) - Palmar votes for WoS + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (3): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, AxleGreaser WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, marvellosity, Palmar AxleGreaser (1): prplhz Oatsmaster (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (3): sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - Oats says WoS noob town, lynch scib - prpl votes WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#601 - Oats votes WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#602 - I vote WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#606 WoS L-1. - iamp/Axle apparently off - Oats questions WoS for who does he want to lynch - marv unvotes - Ace doesn't want to hammer, votes for Oats - Thread sentiment changes to scib/Ace - Both Axle and Tunkeg come back, Axle starts questioning WoS for his old posts, Tunkeg is mad because WoS was not lynched. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
- Oats questioned a lot of other people than WoS at that time. - I was not around until last moments. I was suspicious of WoS earlier though. - prpl voted for WoS cos busy and marv/Palmar voting for him, later said he only then understood Tunkeg's case fully. - Axle/Tunkeg were MIA. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
dp because he spearheaded axle lynch iamp because he shot tunkeg WoS because then he would have been pushed by his two scumbuddies who had no reason to do this. it's very unlikely and i'm going to follow marv's advice not to consider crazy conspiracy theories so it's rayn, palmar, oats rayn's early game looks quite different from red prize where i think he was a lot more composed. it would be a crazy gamble do suddenly go with this hugely spammy style in this game. his style doesn't feel feigned at all though and he gives reads all over the place. i also think he's put in a good deal of effort. so it's palmar or oats. i don't actually care much who we lynch of these two guys. i didn't read oats because marv said he was town but i should really reevaluate since a lot of thing happened since marv said that. so yea. palmar's performance has been lacklustre but meh, people have bad games. i think the most useful information comes around the axle vote switch. i initially thought he played a bigger part in it but rereading it looks worse. rayn is right that both him and me showed signs that we were most likely to vote axle right before palmar vote change. oats already pointed this out but palmar changed his opinion on axle very fast. from here it looks the worst. palmar says that he doesn't want to lynch axle twice in two minutes. then rayn makes a big post about how he doesn't like marv's notes on axle being town and i make a post where i start changing my focus from ace to axle. suddenly palmar changed his vote. the way i remembered it was that palmar helped the lynch much more earlier on but rereading it looks like he's just reacting to how the thread is turning rapidly against a lurker. palmar's first big analysis post also looks off to me. he is clearly favoring both tunkeg and axle more than he should. tunkeg is labeled as a lurker he can't say anything about and ace as someone who hasn't done anything to show his alignment, but for some reason he still says he'd lynch ace over tunkeg. it's the same with axle, he's labeled as a weird chezinuish poster that palmar can't read, but somehow he is leaning town on him? later it's even worse when axle is suddenly quite towny. palmar says that he cannot read axle but yet he keeps pushing the idea that axle is looking towny right up until the point where he is suddenly on three votes with me and rayn changing our opinion. in his vote post palmar again says that he has no idea how to read axle. palmar just doesn't seem like a guy who would repeatedly push the idea that axle is town when he has no idea how to read him. On April 08 2013 08:38 Palmar wrote:[...] I just want to lynch someone and I don't want it to be axle. [...] this here is really weird to me, if he just wants to lynch someone, then why not the person that he cannot read? also after the lynch he makes this post where he obviously has some idea that he needs to reconsider everything and come up with something new. he has no idea how long it will take so obviously it's a big project. yet his next contribution is this post "i actually think oats might be the best lynch today", that post didn't take 2 minutes to come up with and write. doesn't look at all like the big contribution he obviously had in mind when he said he'd reevaluate. palmar also does townie things though, the "lets hammer axle fast i want a flip before i go to bed" thing looked very townie to me (scum obviously don't care about flips) and the hanging around after the lynch anyway to help figure things out. i honestly haven't a clue but i'm 85% sure that palmar is the best idea today. i'll read up on oats and post some more tomorrow. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
##Vote Palmar | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
The Cheesecake Votecount: Oatsmaster (L-3): raynpelikoneet Palmar (L-3): prplhz Not Voting (5): 5 mans 4 Votes needed for a lynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
My gut honestly says he is town after what Tunkeg said about my case on him and after his flip. First he calls Oats scum for nothing, and then: On April 10 2013 03:07 Tunkeg wrote: I like your case on Palmar. So Palmar and Oats it is. You focus on Palmar, and I'll come back with a case on Oats on D3. Wtf is this shit? "You make case on Palmar, i push Oats". rofl, and why don't we push the same target if we are town and Palmar/Oats are scum? This seems like distancing from Oats (because scum would assume Tunkeg is gonna most likely die on D3). Why does Oats not even realize this? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=75#1499 t_T | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
I am with you rayn. Marv's townread on Oats likely stems from the fact that Oat was buddying hard up to marv early in the game, back when I was actively trying to figure out marv's alignment. Oats tried to lynch Sci, DP, WoS and Sci, and that's about it. He basically decided and never looked back about calling iamp, marv and I town, hell he didn't even make a town read on me, just started talking to me as if I was confirmed town. ##Vote Oatsmaster | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
- Tunkeg knows he's gonna die on D3. - He claims Oats is scum. - I make my case on Palmar - Tunkeg agrees, says "you push him, i push Oats on D3" - scib comes and hard questions prplhz, doesn't like his answers - Oats claims ray + Tunkeg scum If Tunkeg had not flipped on night phase. - lynch Tunkeg - Oats looks good because Tunkeg's case - i look bad because i didn't want to lynch Tunkeg - prpl looks bad because scib said so before he died gg Oats. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
The Cheesecake Votecount - Pie Version: Oatsmaster (L-2): raynpelikoneet, Palmar Palmar (L-3): prplhz Not Voting (4): 4 mans 4 Votes needed for a lynch. | ||
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