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On April 07 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? Lol. Are you serious? I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would.
You have said multiple times you want to lynch me because you think i am stupid and you dislike my play. Why do you vote for prplhz now?
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Ace exactly how are you being more productive than marv?
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OH fuck Palmar.. Why did you say that`?
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Is WoS a good scum player or not?
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On April 07 2013 08:22 iamperfection wrote:it goes against all my principals but i may be willing to lynch rayn just so i dont have to see him post anymore. + Show Spoiler +
Who do you want to lynch for real? Or is it me?
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On April 07 2013 08:36 Ace wrote:
There is no solid reason for lynching sciberbia. Unvoting WoS makes no sense here.
Wos where did you claim?
Why is WoS a better lynch than sci?
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Okay, i want to kill Ace...
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On April 07 2013 08:37 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote:
@Ace just to clarify, by distraction you mean scum right? Or do you simply want to lynch Oats for being an asshole? both. I honestly think he will lessen the Town's chances of winning if kept around so he's Scum at best and Town at worst. In light of no better suspects imo outside of WoS (waiting to show me his claim) he is the best option.
"yo hey show me.. i don't wanna do shit to solve this game".
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Hmm marv, why vote for sci if your last post implies you think Ace is scum?
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On April 08 2013 07:22 Ace wrote:just skimmed and see I'm on the lynch wagon. 2 things quickly: @WoS - in The Game I got lynched 6 hours before deadline when I was asleep  Also I was watching basketball so no time to read the thread. For the people voting for me, can you point out exactly what I need to respond to to convince you of my innocence? I'm not 100% sure what's going on here since I thought I made everything I did explicitly clear but I'll try again.
Can you point out who do you want to lynch and why?
If it's still Oats can you point out why "being a distraction" is good enough reason to lynch someone? Why not lynch mafia instead?
Why did you say sciberbia was a really bad lynch at the time he was getting votes and right after you say "he is 3rd lynch condidate today"?
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Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?
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Does anyone else think marv's notes on Axle are kinda... terrible?
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On April 08 2013 08:06 marvellosity wrote:... Axle notes: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:@Palmar On April 05 2013 10:51 Palmar wrote:
yeah scummy ace I have my eyes on you
##FoS Ace
I'll be watching you
careful or I might PUT A VOTE ON YOU I am curious. I don't yet have any meta on you apart from memory... Can you direct me to any game in which you ##FOS a player? Id like to see under what conditions you normally do that? ##Fos Palmar I like this. Palmar was actually joking and he does never FoS. Judging by his comments about coming pre-armed into Noir, I think Axle knows this and has never seen him do this. It's an interesting thought and one I like.
Why is it a towntell for Axle to not make a meta-case on Palmar with this? If Axle already knows Palmar does not never FoS people why not simply vote for him and make him explain himself?
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 00:40 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.
Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.
Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.
I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:
2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town
Even though I think it was Marv that suggested it, I am not sure why WoS being scum would make you scum. It could do, but that is a preflip association case. My problem is even if WoS is town, scum know who is town and know they can defend them for the towny cred if they get flipped. ##vote Sciberbia I don't understand this vote on sciberbia. Where did it come from? I don't see the reasoning.
So marv thinks Axle is scum?
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 00:58 AxleGreaser wrote:Yeah sorry, it was clear in my head, just not the thread. + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 00:40 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.
Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.
Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.
I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:
2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town
Even though I think it was Marv that suggested it, I am not sure why WoS being scum would make you scum. It could do, but that is a preflip association case. My problem is even if WoS is town, scum know who is town and know they can defend them for the towny cred if they get flipped. ##vote Sciberbia back here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18217152I asked scrib some questions about how he viewed WoS and why scrib interpreted certain posts in certain ways. Specifically i was concerned that Scrib had been just assuming WoS was town for some reason, and not wondering why WoS had been posting stuff or wondering what WoS had been thinking was good reason for posting stuff. To me there appeared to be a significant lack of suspicion of WoS intentions. This latest post, shows a number of reasons that scrib thinks WoS is town, to me none of them are consistent with a townie mindset or level of suspicion. We are not yet at Hammer time, I don't intend to make hammer case. I feel it deserves another vote. And yet these reasons actually make plenty of sense. Carrying on through page 1 of Axle's filter, he seems to find WoS suspicious for his actions, but apparently sciberbia more suspicious for his reaction to WoS's actions. The thing is, he didn't hammer WoS when he had the chance. It was L-1 and he could have voted for him. Why didn't he?
rofl. Why would he hammer town!WoS if another candidate for being lynched is town!sciberbia? Just let a townie do that. And before you say anything, marv himself thought that both WoS & sciberbia are town, at least he now does. Thinking process fails pretty hard here for him.
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 07 2013 10:11 DarthPunk wrote:
@ AXELGREASER You need to stop tunnelling WoS or I am going to lynch you. Your play is worrying. Some people determine alignment by ......... , I ask questions an listen to answers or the lack of them. How are you trying to determine alignment? I like this for reasons I can't put my finger on.
What?
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 13:52 AxleGreaser wrote:On April 07 2013 09:29 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 09:16 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.
Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.
Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.
I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:
2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town
The distinctions I was making in this postwere fine distinctions. I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought) was behind and motivated WoS This post My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on) That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning. In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions. I am sorry, I just found where you did...? Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote:@WoS + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair. On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said. Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum? If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..) How did you interpret the intention of this Post? Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts? BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things. @Axle With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today. To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post: I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted. But you asked him On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:
Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?
This implies that you thought WoS was personally showing interest in lynching rayn where I maintain that he wasn't. Hence why I said you misinterpreted his post. That is fine, so when you did "With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it." analyse WoS's post, what possible townie intention did you see behind it? Did the townie intention you saw to that post not include WoS (at the very least) recently deciding on whether or not to "think" about Lynching Rayn, but had come down so nearly on the "not yet, do something else now side" that he sought a second opinion? If I had been recently thinking (should I / shouldn't I) pursue Rayn as scum(due to the posting style), and I got asked "Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?" Then as WoS I could have, and would have, answered the question, I would also probably indicate that words had just been seemingly put in my mouth and that while i had recently been onsidering that option... blah blah.... That was the reason I believe I also provided my answer to the question. That the presence of the(an) answer did not even trigger recognition (easier than recall [www.ehow.com/info_7754397_recall-vs-recognition.html ] ) memory of "Oh yeah I was just thinking that" indicates to me he quite probably had not recently considered how Lynchworthy posting like that was. He had thus handed me what he considered to be an anchor. I think this topic is about done. I believe I understand why you said pretty much all of what you did. Doesnt make you town, probably not my best Lynch though... for now... ##unvote Sciberbia Backs off sciberbia in what seems to be a reasonable way. He drops his pursuit of sciberbia and starts to pursue WoS. This seems consistent with how he earlier viewed WoS, as suspicious with his behaviour. Generally speaking Axle is quite focused in his targets as town, in Noir he seemed to focus in hard on Hopeless despite other things being discussed in the thread.
I don't see how this is reasonable way to back off from a lynch. He asks sciberbia some questions and backs off in the very same post.
Back to the first candidate when you don't have to porbably hammer anymore.
Generally speaking i don't see how Axle is really focused here..
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WoS:
I am implying i think they are both scum. I can only vote for one person and marv has only a vote from the other guy who could be lynched so i don't think Ace has the credibility to get 6 more people to vote for marv today.
And no, this is not a connection case. I do think Axle is scummy ny his actions, not by how marv talks about him.
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