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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 07 2013 00:09 GMT
#701
im saying he made no claim ace.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 00:11 GMT
#702
I don't know, maybe I'm not good at explaining my thoughts here. I completely understand he made no claim. He said he did. Which is why I asked right after for him to point it out to me. Does this part make sense?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 00:11 GMT
#703
##Unvote

I'll sort this out tomorrow
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 07 2013 00:12 GMT
#704
@marv, you played with sciberbia as town in dwarf fortress. What did you think about him day 1 there and why?
Computer says mafia
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 07 2013 00:12 GMT
#705
On April 07 2013 09:11 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote

I'll sort this out tomorrow

Can you answer my question about prplhz before you go? Do you see anything that makes you think he is town? If not, what makes this game different from Dwarf Mini and your mayor game?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 07 2013 00:13 GMT
#706
On April 07 2013 09:11 Ace wrote:
I don't know, maybe I'm not good at explaining my thoughts here. I completely understand he made no claim. He said he did. Which is why I asked right after for him to point it out to me. Does this part make sense?

no

i took it as this

you say show me your claim

wos goes" wtf are you talking about i didnt claim anything"

thats what i get from the "what claim"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 07 2013 00:14 GMT
#707
no iamp, Ace's question is legit, although his fixation on it makes me wonder on his intent. But yeah, I don't think it's very relevant, I can only assume WoS somehow misunderstood Ace.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 00:15 GMT
#708
On April 07 2013 09:12 Palmar wrote:
@marv, you played with sciberbia as town in dwarf fortress. What did you think about him day 1 there and why?


I thought he looked very town and as I recall he pushed what was a very sensible lynch (Forumite) even though I believed it was an incorrect one at the time.

In some ways sciberbia seems less distant than whatever game it was that you were town and he was mafia in, and yet his push on Oats makes no sense to me, in addition to the things you mentioned already.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
April 07 2013 00:16 GMT
#709
On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.

Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.

Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.

I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:

2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town


The distinctions I was making in this post
were fine distinctions.

I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought)
was behind and motivated WoS This post

My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on)

That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning.

In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions.

I am sorry, I just found where you did...?
On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote:
@WoS
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair.

On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said.

Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum?


If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..)

How did you interpret the intention of this Post?
On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts?

BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch
for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things.


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 00:16 GMT
#710
On April 07 2013 09:12 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 09:11 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote

I'll sort this out tomorrow

Can you answer my question about prplhz before you go? Do you see anything that makes you think he is town? If not, what makes this game different from Dwarf Mini and your mayor game?


No, not really. I'd say he was a backup lynch for today.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
April 07 2013 00:17 GMT
#711
On April 07 2013 03:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:

sciberbia (1): AxleGreaser
WaveofShadow (6): Tunkeg, marvellosity, Palmar, prplhz, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): DarthPunk
prplhz (2): iamperfection, WaveofShadow

Not voting (2): sciberbia, Ace

7 votes needed to lynch.
L-1 atm.


Well yeah, I was not current.... on WoS
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 07 2013 00:24 GMT
#712
On April 07 2013 09:12 Palmar wrote:
@marv, you played with sciberbia as town in dwarf fortress. What did you think about him day 1 there and why?


Palmar, do you want to discuss anything in particular in my filter this game? Like, I'd be happy to explain exactly why I posted anything I've posted, and I'd even tell you how my play would likely differ if I were scum. It just seems like such a shame that you have a scumread on me and I'd really like to do something about it.




On April 07 2013 09:15 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 09:12 Palmar wrote:
@marv, you played with sciberbia as town in dwarf fortress. What did you think about him day 1 there and why?


I thought he looked very town and as I recall he pushed what was a very sensible lynch (Forumite) even though I believed it was an incorrect one at the time.

In some ways sciberbia seems less distant than whatever game it was that you were town and he was mafia in, and yet his push on Oats makes no sense to me, in addition to the things you mentioned already.

I really don't understand why you think I'm scum for thinking Oats is reasonably likely to be scum. First of all, Ace and DP have stated scumreads on Oats. Are they scummy for it too?

And secondly, what mafia motivation do you think I have for stating a scumread on Oats? Do you think I was just trying to push a mislynch with (as you say) bad reasoning? When I play mafia, I don't go out of my way to push bad mislynches. I just try to push the same sensible lynches that I push as town. If anything, I try to make my cases more 'agreeable sounding' when I'm mafia.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 00:26 GMT
#713
I hold you to higher expectations than I do either of those players.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 07 2013 00:29 GMT
#714
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 07 2013 09:16 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.

Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.

Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.

I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:

2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town


The distinctions I was making in this post
were fine distinctions.

I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought)
was behind and motivated WoS This post

My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on)

That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning.

In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions.

I am sorry, I just found where you did...?
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote:
@WoS
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair.

On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said.

Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum?


If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..)

How did you interpret the intention of this Post?
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts?

BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch
for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things.





@Axle
With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today.

To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post:
I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted. But you asked him
On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:
Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?


This implies that you thought WoS was personally showing interest in lynching rayn where I maintain that he wasn't. Hence why I said you misinterpreted his post.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 07 2013 00:31 GMT
#715
I find the wagon on sciberbia really weird. And once again marv provides his filter as justification.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 00:32 GMT
#716
I don't like repeating myself, get over it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 07 2013 00:35 GMT
#717
On April 07 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:51 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:49 iamperfection wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:49 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.


herp derp so if WoS never claimed, and you know this why are you voting for sciberbia when you know someone else lied?

wat


Marv quoted my post knowing I asked WoS to claim. Clearly he's been reading the thread and knows WoS said he did actually claim already. Hence, when Marv says "WoS never claimed" he knows WoS was lying.


WoS said "Claim what?" I've no idea what his "I already did" was referring to.

Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:36 Ace wrote:
There is no solid reason for lynching sciberbia. Unvoting WoS makes no sense here.

Wos where did you claim?[


Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


These posts do not go together.

"It makes no sense to unvote WoS"
...
"I believe it's possible it was a genuine reaction"

So... it does make sense, right?

Like wtf is this as a vote? This is a post attacking ace which doesn't even mention sciberbia aside from in the context of the attack on marv. Then there is a fucking no reason vote plastered on the end of it. Not good enough. Marv knows/should know better than to just throw votes out with no reasoning.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
April 07 2013 00:36 GMT
#718
EBWOP
*attack on ace
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 00:37 GMT
#719
On April 07 2013 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
I find the wagon on sciberbia really weird. And once again marv provides his filter as justification.


outside of this WoS stuff and Oats he's actually the best lynch.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 00:37 GMT
#720
It wasn't a vote, it was attacking Ace for his stance on WoS. Can you not read?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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