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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 06 2013 23:47 GMT
#681
If you were reading the thread marv it's pretty clear why I haven't voted for WoS.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2013 23:47 GMT
#682
{b[##Unvote
##Vote sciberbia[/b]
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#683
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#684
EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote sciberbia

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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#685
Votecount:

sciberbia (4): AxleGreaser, Palmar, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet
WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (2): DarthPunk, Ace
prplhz (2): iamperfection, WaveofShadow

Not voting (1): sciberbia

7 votes needed to lynch.

PSA: Day ends when a majority is reached. (or when I feel like it.)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 06 2013 23:49 GMT
#686
On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.


herp derp so if WoS never claimed, and you know this why are you voting for sciberbia when you know someone else lied?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 06 2013 23:49 GMT
#687
Hmm marv, why vote for sci if your last post implies you think Ace is scum?
table for two on a tv tray
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 06 2013 23:49 GMT
#688
On April 07 2013 08:49 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.


herp derp so if WoS never claimed, and you know this why are you voting for sciberbia when you know someone else lied?

wat
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 06 2013 23:49 GMT
#689
Who lied?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 06 2013 23:50 GMT
#690
On April 07 2013 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmm marv, why vote for sci if your last post implies you think Ace is scum?


read my filter
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 06 2013 23:51 GMT
#691
On April 07 2013 08:49 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:49 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.


herp derp so if WoS never claimed, and you know this why are you voting for sciberbia when you know someone else lied?

wat


Marv quoted my post knowing I asked WoS to claim. Clearly he's been reading the thread and knows WoS said he did actually claim already. Hence, when Marv says "WoS never claimed" he knows WoS was lying.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 06 2013 23:54 GMT
#692
On April 07 2013 08:51 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:49 iamperfection wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:49 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.


herp derp so if WoS never claimed, and you know this why are you voting for sciberbia when you know someone else lied?

wat


Marv quoted my post knowing I asked WoS to claim. Clearly he's been reading the thread and knows WoS said he did actually claim already. Hence, when Marv says "WoS never claimed" he knows WoS was lying.


WoS said "Claim what?" I've no idea what his "I already did" was referring to.

On April 07 2013 08:36 Ace wrote:
There is no solid reason for lynching sciberbia. Unvoting WoS makes no sense here.

Wos where did you claim?[


On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


These posts do not go together.

"It makes no sense to unvote WoS"
...
"I believe it's possible it was a genuine reaction"

So... it does make sense, right?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 06 2013 23:56 GMT
#693
wos "claim what" implies he didn't have anything to claim i think that is pretty clear.

You are the one who brought up the claim stuff ace
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 06 2013 23:58 GMT
#694
On April 07 2013 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster

Claim what? I already did.


@marv: What else could "I already did" refer to? If I'm looking at this wrong then honestly, show me a different interpretation.

@iamp: If he didn't have anything to claim then why would he say he already did?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 06 2013 23:59 GMT
#695
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 06 2013 18:54 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote:
@WoS
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair.

On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you >>>said<<<.

Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum?


You have I believe brought this up once or twice, yet not pushed me directly on it all....

Do you have question for me?

I have one for you.

I think you will find that if you read my post carefully, you will find I used the word .... [b]'thought'[b].

He had indeed not [b]said[b] he wanted to (potentially?) lynch him, he had however made inflammatory remarks likely to elicit an emotive response, by asking me to post on the subject he had in some sense handed me a metaphorical anchor.
I (effectively)thanked him and gave it back. I was as careful as I could be to not be further inflammatory myself.

If he did not indeed 'think' such posting style could be indicative of scuminess or used as shield to hide/obscure scummy play whenever you do roll scum, and hence part of a potential reason to lynch someone...
Why is it relevant to the thread and what scum hunting intention/thought did he have in making the post? All I am left with its inflammatory nature.


@Sciberbia: Questions. have you asked your self these Questions?

Do you know something I don't?


BTW. I did try not to make the question too hard... I provided one version of the answer at the bottom of the post.
All someone had to do to answer the question was read what I said, and actually try and understand what I was saying,
and either agree with what I said
"I would need to see something directly scummy, rather than just noisily anti town.."
or provide your own view.



@Axle
I'm not sure that I fully understand what your asking. I think what you're asking is 'hey scib what do you think about the fact that WoS asked me about rayn?' so that's the question I'm going to answer.

I would not have made this post myself, because as you said, it doesn't do a lot to further scumhunting. I did think to myself a bit about this post because it did concern me a bit that he was 'being inflammatory' about rayn but not trying to draw his own conclusions about rayn's alignment.

I concluded that this post is not unreasonable for a townie WoS to make because
  • rayn was very distracting and the main subject of the thread at the time
  • rayn was calling WoS scum
  • therefore rayn would almost certainly be in the forefront of WoS's mind, and WoS was probably irritated by rayn's early posting, so it is not unreasonable for WoS to want to express his displeasure to the thread
  • also I assume that (if WoS is in fact town), WoS either values your opinion or thought he might be able to get a read on your alignment by asking you this question


So I can see this post being made by a town WoS and I therefore didn't see it as a cause for concern.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 07 2013 00:00 GMT
#696
On April 07 2013 08:58 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster

Claim what? I already did.


@marv: What else could "I already did" refer to? If I'm looking at this wrong then honestly, show me a different interpretation.

@iamp: If he didn't have anything to claim then why would he say he already did?

because there was nothing in all of his other posts about a claim. Therefore he claims nothing.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 07 2013 00:03 GMT
#697
back in hour or so
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 00:04 GMT
#698
??? He was at L-1 before an unvote and was ready to die - how do you get a null claim from that post in that situation rather than he was just lying about claiming or forgot to? You don't think that someone about to be lynched would claim in that spot to save his life?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
April 07 2013 00:07 GMT
#699
On April 07 2013 09:04 Ace wrote:
??? He was at L-1 before an unvote and was ready to die - how do you get a null claim from that post in that situation rather than he was just lying about claiming or forgot to? You don't think that someone about to be lynched would claim in that spot to save his life?

who are you talking to?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 00:08 GMT
#700
I'm responding to your last post about WoS claiming nothing.

@marv: What is the case on sciberbia? Looks like Palmar is just moving votes and you sheeped him.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
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