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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 23:51:46
March 25 2013 23:30 GMT
#4
/in
I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 01 2013 22:03 GMT
#97
first
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 01 2013 22:03 GMT
#99
omg viscera...
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 01 2013 22:04 GMT
#100
I'm town too, want to be friends? -_^ I don't usually trust people but you seem like an honest bloke.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 01 2013 23:37 GMT
#117
Worst vote ever.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 01 2013 23:44 GMT
#120
On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Worst vote ever.


On the contrary, best vote ever.

I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 01 2013 23:48 GMT
#122
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#129
On April 02 2013 08:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote:
You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test?


Well i sure don't feel like studying.

You need to change that attitude or you won't be of much use to me in this game. Nevertheless I will humor you and grant you your request.

I have some supersimple unwritten guidelines that work well for the majority of mafia situations.
I use my head and I lynch scum. And that is my answer to your question.
To assure you understand my ground I will elaborate.

At any lynch in this game I will advocate lynching the scummiest fish in the pond. Out of place hammering can ofcourse change a players position in the list. But there is no point in lynching him if despite his hammering there is someone else who looks more scummy.

That's why I say ney on policy lynching. It's ment to work as a threat to keep lazy/bad townies from doing rash stupid stuff that makes them look scummy and with that allow mafia to do what they want without sticking out. But that's no differen't from normal. In the end it all comes down to the townies to play intelligently and try not to do scummy stuff out of nowhere.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#130
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 00:25 GMT
#132
On April 02 2013 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 09:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Think RoL just set of the old kenpachi trap.

Elaborate. There are so many "rules" and "traps" that I can't keep them all straight.

The legend goes...+ Show Spoiler +
Kenpachi claims vanilla townie and the first person to contest it is mafia.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 00:45 GMT
#136
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 00:50 GMT
#138
On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote:
VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.

If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?

No I don't.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 01:34 GMT
#143
Sigh, I could sense you were heading in that way Viscera. However my actions only look meaningless and scummy after you put me in a situation where I couldn't have the cookie and eat it.

I was scumhunting. Nothing of real worth was happening and an opportunity opened to fish for reactions, what I mostly wanted was RoL's reaction and or if someone else appeared to comment on RoL. However you cornered me instantly and asked me what I thought about it which was something I wanted to avoid. Because answering that would be eating my cookie. And here we are.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 01:37 GMT
#144
For a group of people who just talked about the dangers of voting in a instant hammer game you guys are being pretty fucking reckless with your voting. I'm not sure if i have 3 or 4 votes on me now but all it takes in one or two careless players to come in and sheep and I loose my head.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 01:44 GMT
#147
On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##unvote: VE
##Vote: Risk.nuke

It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?

Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 01:46 GMT
#148
On April 02 2013 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Can you point out where I've been talking about "the dangers of voting"? I'm pretty sure all I've talked about was how Lazer's and RoL's policies were retarded and unfair respectively.

Will you please god damn stop tunneling? The thread have talked about it, I assume you read the thread?
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 01:59 GMT
#151
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.

Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 02:07 GMT
#152
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.

You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 02:18 GMT
#156
Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting.
I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you.

There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 02:22 GMT
#157
On April 02 2013 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.

You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.

But this isn't the case at all. I voted for you. In my vote post I even outline where I tried to consider a town motivation. I'm TRYING to keep an open mind, but you keep slamming it shut with appeals and bullshit. Like what do you mean "aggressively"? I've kept a cool head about this whole thing. You're the one freaking out bro, not me.

the lashing out is about when I said people had talked about instant hammer, and you asked me to point out where YOU specifically had talked about it, even though I never said you specifically had.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 02:26 GMT
#158
I can't (or shouldn't) stay up any longer. I'll be back tomorrow.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 11:21 GMT
#179
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.

Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.

People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.

I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 11:58 GMT
#181
Hopeless1der
it started with this post.
On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling?

He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on?
Compare to other filters,
dessert
fruity

His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything.
The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages.

Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 12:07 GMT
#184
sorry, hapa=hopeless

What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 12:29 GMT
#186
When I read it?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 13:05 GMT
#188
On April 02 2013 21:44 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2013 21:29 risk.nuke wrote:
When I read it?


Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant,
turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first
mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field.

Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town,
I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today.

That's good to hear, Your first posts made you seem like an intelligent person and I was starting to wonder what happened.

Moving on, I'm getting tired of talking about me, you said you had an initial scumread on VE? What triggered that?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 17:19 GMT
#247
On April 03 2013 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B


I thought the connection between syl and risk was implied in Ghors post. Scum Risk under pressure ---> scum syl deflects said pressure by voting me. Is it not the same thing you are implying about ghor? Scum Risk under pressure ---> Scum ghor deflects said pressure by voting Syl.

Hopeless why don't you read. If you've actually read ghors posts you would understand how ridiculous the implication that we're scumbuddies together are.

RoL. This is a nine player game, I wont tolerate anyone slacking of saying they'll lurk and promise to comment on what we post later, it's a playstyle ill-suited for a small game. I want to hear thoughts from you.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 17:54 GMT
#263
On April 03 2013 02:29 Ghor wrote:
Ghor would like risk to specify what he think back then:

April 02 2013 09:50
Show nested quote +
No I don't.


No want lynch RoL for kenpachi rule.RoL votes for risk cause he not follow his own argument.

April 02 2013 10:44.
Show nested quote +
Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?


Risk say argument legit, but not explain why not follow it.

April 02 2013 10:59
Show nested quote +
If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda.

Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum.


Summary:

Risk believe in kenpachi rule. Does not want lynch RoL for it.
Say he would be scum for following it when he actually should since he say argument stronk, he use his mistake as WIFOM argument that he not scum, cause if scum he attack RoL.
But if he town why believe argument stronk and not follow?

Ghor think risk scare of attacking RoL back then, but scare to say his kenpachi argument bad.ghor not understand from town perspective.

explain to ghor what risk thinks please, ghor not see enough reason to let off from risk. scuuummy play does not go away.

I didn't say I believed in the Kenpachi Rule. Viscera asked me if I thought RoL was scum from the Kenpachi Rule. I said no. I don't use methods like the Kenpachi Method or Meta to catch scum. Yet they work but I don't trust them, It's hard to explain.

As mafia I could had said I thought the argument was strong and if it ended up in you not being convinced it was the only thing you could judge me for is having a different opinion then you about the Kenpachi Rule.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 18:17 GMT
#267
I'm feeling confident hopeless is scum, I haven't gone over Sylencia yet.
I don't have time now but I'll get back to you on him later.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 19:20 GMT
#272
Sylencia, you mention other flaws in my post except the Kenpachi situation. Elaborate.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 19:22 GMT
#273
##Vote: Hopeless1der
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 22:04 GMT
#290
RebirthOfLegend

When I wake up tomorrow you better have posted.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 23:03 GMT
#297
I was just about to go to bed, I can't stay up to 6 a.m. every day. My classses start tomorrow. If you wan't to talk to me about something I can give you 30 minutes or so.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 23:05 GMT
#299
Oh come'on what was it, I need to know now.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 02 2013 23:16 GMT
#301
I still have a pending question to Syl I want answered.
I'm leaning town on Lazer.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 03 2013 05:27 GMT
#311
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.

Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.

And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.

Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 03 2013 16:27 GMT
#365
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.

My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.

Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.

My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.

Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.

The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 03 2013 16:30 GMT
#367
Ghor I've been reluctant to answer the Sylencia question because I didn't want to say I have a null-read on Sylencia. But that is what I feel, I want more from him to make up my mind. There are things I like about him and there are things I don't like about him.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 03 2013 16:34 GMT
#369
I've been the most active player in the thread and half of the game have revolved around me.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 03 2013 16:46 GMT
#371
On April 04 2013 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 01:34 risk.nuke wrote:
I've been the most active player in the thread and half of the game have revolved around me.

which is a product of you being scum, and the thread being reluctant to believe so easily.

How is that alignment indicative?

Because while I was the talk of the entire game I played pro-town by discussing and sharing my reads and put in effort to prevent a mislynch on me.

You're just coming back with weak shit. Where my reads showed the thread I was reading and caring about the game your reads prove you're not reading or caring about the game.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 03 2013 20:38 GMT
#408
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.

I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today.
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April 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#410
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.
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April 03 2013 20:50 GMT
#413
On April 04 2013 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 05:38 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor, I'm glad you dropped the roleplay, even if it's just temporary it means you care enough for the lynch to stop rping and it says something about you. If hope is town I think it's very unlikely you're mafia and stopped rp'ing to prevent it. However if hope flips scum I'm going to have a real close look at you.

I don't want you to say I'm town because I'm not playing like my scum meta. I generally don't play like this as town either. I would however like you to get your head out of your arse and see that I am scumhunting and contributing and understand that that is town behavior and therefor I am a bad lynch for today.

Shut up. What do you think of Sylencia vs Hopeless lynch?

lol... Where does it look like I stand?
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April 03 2013 21:03 GMT
#415
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.

That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?
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April 03 2013 21:24 GMT
#423
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?
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April 03 2013 21:32 GMT
#426
On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?

Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.
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April 03 2013 21:51 GMT
#444
Admittedly I'm not really too fond of the teammate argument, it's hypothetical and my point of origin is that any scumteammate would react like I would. I disagree that it could be used on any mistake. It can't undo past mistakes while it could be used to correct a playstyle.

I'm not his opinion on hope is indicative either. Could be scummy, could also just be town sheeping.
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April 03 2013 21:53 GMT
#445
Okey so consolidate on who. I'd hate to put it on you but VE I think your word will carry final weight.
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April 03 2013 21:53 GMT
#447
6 minutes btw.
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April 03 2013 21:56 GMT
#453
##Unvote
##Vote: Sylencia
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April 04 2013 13:06 GMT
#469
Good morning.
##vote hopeless1der
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April 04 2013 13:14 GMT
#470
Lazermonkey, what do you think about other people?
Other people, what do you think about lazermonkey?
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April 04 2013 14:54 GMT
#473
On April 04 2013 22:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: risk.nuke

His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless".

This is hands down the dumbest thing I've read this week.
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April 04 2013 19:00 GMT
#477
Could you please explain how that makes sense to you?
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April 04 2013 19:25 GMT
#480
Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL?
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April 04 2013 20:44 GMT
#504
I said it was his call because the votes were 3-3 viscera hadn't voted and his vote would pretty much decide who got lynched.
I didn't say VisceraEyes, decide who we'll kill I'll sheep you.

Ghor
On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).

I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

If those are your sincere thoughts after the lynch I find them very odd and suspicious.
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April 04 2013 20:51 GMT
#506
On April 05 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Work. Busy. Promise to contribute, but later.

Axel shot weirds me out and I'm looking at his filter first.

Shot doesn't seem to far stretched to me. You and me could have gotten medic protection. Ghor looks bad after spearheading a townielynch or could be mafia. Axle looked very townie early on day 1.
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April 04 2013 21:02 GMT
#509
Hopeless, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me in detail how you have a townread on ghor and a scumread on me.
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April 04 2013 21:10 GMT
#511
On April 05 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 05:51 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 05 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Work. Busy. Promise to contribute, but later.

Axel shot weirds me out and I'm looking at his filter first.

Shot doesn't seem to far stretched to me. You and me could have gotten medic protection. Ghor looks bad after spearheading a townielynch or could be mafia. Axle looked very townie early on day 1.

That you presume either you or I would be prioritized over RoL is highly suspicious to me. Just sayin.

RoL could be scum, but assuming he is townie, with his activity and contributions I don't think it's odd he wasn't shot. Mafia needs to kill townies that won't get lynched.
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April 04 2013 21:59 GMT
#515
On April 05 2013 06:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 06:02 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me in detail how you have a townread on ghor and a scumread on me.

Where in the hell do you see townread? Like fucking woooooowwww stop putting shit in my mouth, it tastes terrible.

I ment this but fine you just said he was townier then me. Now answer the question.
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April 04 2013 22:25 GMT
#518
On April 05 2013 07:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cheese is manipulating Lazer.

##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake


This man speaks the truth.

what?
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April 04 2013 22:43 GMT
#521
On April 05 2013 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
risk do something for me. Filter Cheese. Hit All. Ctrl-F "Lazer".

Read all the posts that he quotes Lazer. Tell me what you see.

It looks a lot like he's trying to get someone to bite at lazer.
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April 04 2013 22:57 GMT
#526
Hope you're of the hook for now. I'm not done with you. I want your explanations.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
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April 05 2013 10:09 GMT
#570
##unvote:
nobody's posted on ten hours. Where are people? RoL you said you'd be here by now...
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April 05 2013 11:04 GMT
#572
On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:


@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.

On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).


I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.

I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.
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April 05 2013 11:24 GMT
#574
On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?

Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?

I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.
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April 05 2013 11:30 GMT
#575
CC's interactions with lazer are very weird, I had planned to go over CC filters from other games to look for similarity's today but I haven't gotten around to it. I also think it's weird that he didn't take VE seriously. Although he did seem to take it a bit more seriously after I added another vote at least for a short while. VE didn't really keep him under pressure for long.
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April 05 2013 12:48 GMT
#578
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor

I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.

I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.
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April 05 2013 13:26 GMT
#581
I don't understand what sort of shrewd view of towncred you are trying to sell.

This is mafia and this is how it works.

X bring up valid points for why someone might be a poor lynch.
X don't have enough towncred/influence so thread don't listen to X.
Postlynch it is determined X was right.
People are more inclined to believe X listen to X next time.


You're so full of shit because you don't want to lynch hopeless so hard but you're so scared of calling him town for when he flips scum that will incriminate you and you know it.
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April 05 2013 13:38 GMT
#582
Actually hopeless doesn't even need to be scum. Your interactions with me and him are so fucking suspicious regardless of if he flips scum or town.
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April 06 2013 19:36 GMT
#619
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.
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April 06 2013 20:17 GMT
#622
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.

RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago.
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April 07 2013 08:49 GMT
#636
On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes

If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.

DO IT UP

I don't see how this is scumindicative.
Who's your other 2 reads. And I I'd like more detailed cases on all 3 of them.
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April 07 2013 14:16 GMT
#639
On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.

Ghor-Rol scumslip
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April 07 2013 22:35 GMT
#663
On April 07 2013 23:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 22:59 Ghor wrote:
RoL, can you mention the points for why you have CC and risk as scumreads please? I'm not lynching VE.

Ghor-Rol scumslip

RoL claim two scumreads
Ghor knew it was me and CC.
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April 07 2013 22:46 GMT
#666
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die.
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April 07 2013 23:08 GMT
#669
I knew from your first post about it I was dead right on the scumslip and your later posts have only confirmed it.

On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so.
##vote: VisceraEyes

If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of.

DO IT UP

In this post RoL's saying CC isn't scum. So why would you assume that he is a scumread. You wouldn't. RoL posted the three of us in the scumqt.
You're not so arrogant that you would assume you knew the scumreads.
Your defense that it was obvious from his posts doesn't hold up.
I would lynch you for this alone but coincidentally your last actions was to lead a bandwagon against a flipped townie.
Afterwards your reaction wasn't to look over people who sheeped you onto the case but your top scumread was the person who opposed it. Bullshitcase, bullshit train of thoughts.
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April 07 2013 23:13 GMT
#670
I solved the game. Can we hammer them so I can leave this wretched city?
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April 07 2013 23:49 GMT
#677
Missed, that he said CC was amongst his scumreads. Doesn't change anything about me or the previous reasons you're scum. Lay down and die. RoL will follow right behind you I can promise you that.
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April 07 2013 23:54 GMT
#679
On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE?

Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda.


With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any.
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April 10 2013 09:34 GMT
#895
Marv want to tell me who is scum because I have no idea.
I can't make sense of any of Ghor(Vivax)/RoL/Hopeless if they are town.
LM and CC doesn't really have anything to make me think they are town except that the other 3 look so much worse.
LM is probably the most townie looking of the two of them. I wonder if he will die tonight.


Ghor, Hopeless and RoL. Thank you for not giving a shit about this game. Thank you for having the most awful reads and being a bunch of emotional omgusing asshats in denial

Hopeless, you're a retard to the bone. How could you be so delusional about your own game? How you could you think you played like a townie? At some point you must have looked at yourself and said, holy noodle I'm an omgusing little twat who lurks and only come out when I'm called out, I should step up my game.

RoL, you lurked the majority of the game only to come out with some quick thoughts on how we should kill a person out of the blue in the middle of a lynchdiscussion which you basically dropped and disappeared. Town cut you the slack you wanted and when you promised activity you delayed more then 24 hours and then came in posting how we should kill the only two townie looking players in the game.

Ghor, compared to RoL and Hopeless you played like a champion and actually cared about the game. I couldn't shake a scumread on you because from day 1 you were tunnelling me and refusing to see anything I did as townie, dismissing absolutely everything that made anyone else see I was townie and kept tunnelling me. The initial impression I got from Ghor was that he was intelligent and I had a hard time even after learning who you were to believe Ghor would be such an idiot in that regard. I looked up other games from you and I was coming around on my read, only to find that you just hammered me before I got a chance to post. For absolutely no reason but that you got impatient.

On April 05 2013 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
risk do something for me. Filter Cheese. Hit All. Ctrl-F "Lazer".

Read all the posts that he quotes Lazer. Tell me what you see.

This post must have given you a heart attack CC/LM
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April 10 2013 11:44 GMT
#898
On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:
First, something relevant:
All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that.

Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault.
You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me,


omgus:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:
Several hours before lynch:

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:


@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.

On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).


I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.

I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.


Shortly before lynch:

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On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.


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On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.

That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?


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On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?


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On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?

Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.


Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless?

All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to".

Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about.

"But Ghor, I wasn't confident"

I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification.
So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before.

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On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?

Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?

I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.


I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious.

Seem like you do want towncred for it though.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now.
Sorry buddy :o]

##Vote risk.nuke


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On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor

I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.

I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.



Denial:

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On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote

Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.

RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point?


On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.




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On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.

RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago.


On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die.


On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.






How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal.
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On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.

I want to lynch CC and risk equally.

Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.

CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?

@ Lazer

Don't think VE is scum.


On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.

He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.

I need him to talk civil before deciding.



And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him.

Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so.

The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me?

I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here.
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On April 10 2013 22:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
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On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote:
First, something relevant:
All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that.

Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault.
You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me,


omgus:

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On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote:
Several hours before lynch:

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On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:


@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.

On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).


I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.

I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.


Shortly before lynch:

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On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.


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On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.

That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?


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On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?


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On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?

Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.


Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless?

All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to".

Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about.

"But Ghor, I wasn't confident"

I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification.
So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before.

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On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?

Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?

I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.


I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious.

Seem like you do want towncred for it though.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now.
Sorry buddy :o]

##Vote risk.nuke


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On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote:
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor

I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.

I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.



Denial:

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On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote:
##Unvote

Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.

RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point?


On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote:
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.




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On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote:
Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take.

RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago.


On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die.


On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.






How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal.
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On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote:
I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view.

I want to lynch CC and risk equally.

Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC.

CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk.
Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened?

@ Lazer

Don't think VE is scum.


On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote:
I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer.
I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me.

He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers.

I need him to talk civil before deciding.



And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him.

Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so.

The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me?

I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here.

You acted sketchy as fuck. You clearly didn't look so amazingly town or you wouldn't of died. After we started voting you, you proceeded to look more scummy and then stopped posting so we hammered you.

Deal with it and stop being a little whiny cunt. If you want to bitch at me, fine. But Ghor played and was active the whole time and legitimately tried. This is not to say that I didn't, I did try and am definitely annoyed with the results of my scum reads.

If you can't notice I was far angrier with you and hope. Before Ghor tried to blame the loss on me.

I was looking townie according to the observer qt and the hosts of the game, the only ones who couldn't see it was the three of you. You're a lazy asshat who ruined my game because you didn't have the common sense to replace out of a game you had no interest in playing.
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