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On March 28 2013 07:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I would have said something but thread sentiment is town on Hapa :X Wait til Day imo imo. Thx though Prom. yeah hapas role is also Imba; un-nkillable and unlynchable ! so yeah might as well just assume he is town and play on regardless. ..and yeah as VE says, the first day post will probably give us some more info, as will the timing of the first vote count. My gut feel is he will be towny town town. | ||
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On March 29 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote: I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though. Hi. Given that to the best of my observation usually no one lynches anyone you had better be prepared to be disappointed or at least not entirely literal in the fulfilment of your wishes. + Show Spoiler + On who lynches who: There are instigators of lynches, lead protagonists, case writers, and hammer voters of Lynches however despite some peoples desire to retrospectively rewrite reality such that they are the centre of the universe and they personally Lynched scum... usually it is also everyone else in the thread too, each playing a different role. Even if some only plays the role of deciding who to sheep, there is no good lynch without first the sheep also making the right decisions. So in general, no one lynches any one. Real causation in terms of necessary and sufficient conditions is a complex amorphous beast. More generally: So unless you are determined to be disappointed in life/this game I suggest some creative/figurative rewriting/reinterpretation of your goals (Doing that is less self deceptive than, (as some people do) subsequently rewriting reality/history when overly specific wishes fail to materialize.) Thus being disappointed if I didn't make a good faith effort to lynch the host might well be a more realistic wish. Even that however, is on this occasion, likely to fall well short of the mark. It is a bit like praying to god and not only wishing for a Lamborghini, but also specifying what its number plate should be... Well it is just like that, except in this case I am not anything like god, well that and, "these are not the Lamborghinis you are looking for". Instead, be Zen, and cast yourself upon the flowing waters of life, and its inherent chaos, and see where that takes you. Will you settle for a good faith effort to be as novel/entertaining as an attempt to Lynch the host? + Show Spoiler + While at the same time always good faith playing to win.+ Show Spoiler + Dear Host: I promise to neither cause nor facilitate the causation of defecating in the thread as finding smelly scum in smelly excrement is hard unless you are an expert Scatologist. + Show Spoiler + That amongst other things is an "in" joke that is not yet funny for you. On second thought it will probably (maybe) only ever be funny to me as I once knew a Scatologist and ever since the fact that studying pooh is a serious scientific endeavour has made playing pooh sticks much more fun. TL DR; I am, primarily, only responsible for how I cast my one vote. edit: typos | ||
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On March 30 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I won't be here for the first 24 hours. Out of SPITE. I don't know about 24 hours, but if you guys start on Sunday, I can guarantee I will be posting on Monday. Not because I am temporally retarded, I am just comparatively advanced. :z | ||
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On March 30 2013 10:00 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 30 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I won't be here for the first 24 hours. Out of SPITE. I don't know about 24 hours, but if you guys start on Sunday, I can guarantee I will be posting on Monday. Not because I am temporally retarded, I am just comparatively advanced. :z So now its Monday... so I posted.. are we still starting Sunday? | ||
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On April 01 2013 07:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hapa makes this panda sad. Hapa makes this panda temporally dizzy.+ Show Spoiler + My guess is this panda should stop holding its breath while waiting in anticipation. I am not sure what that panda should do to not be sad... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [ LOL] + Please: Do remember that reading whats inside a Lol-XXX is considered an optional extra and probably not win condition related. Also, its not my that fault the game start got delayed so long... and I got bored.... just consider these the trolly, keep the thread alive posts from the first 3 days (days -2,-1, 0) when everyone else was AFK. + Show Spoiler [ Lol- Flavour of Skip ] + With a nod to the falcon... page 1: Scene: 'dingy office on the lower outback.' My name is Axle..., AxleGreaser, (unlicensed scum hunter ordinaire #290296) It was a day like any other day, wet and dreary, just the kind of weather that lets you walk around with your trench coat collar folded up without attracting unwanted attention. Excellent sleuthing weather, but I had nothing to sleuth. Times had been slow, and as I had nothing else to do so I was kicking back in my office, waiting for something beautiful to walk through the door, when it did. <Ba da da Dummmmmm.....> In through the door walked, Skip, two limpid pools of love, you could die of thirst peering into the depths of those dark dark eyes. When she fixed that imploring gaze upon you, nothing else existed but those eyes. Time simply stood still as I bathed in the beauty that stood before me. Dressed from head to foot in only a black fur coat. The coat had a lustrous sheen that simply drew you in as it followed and clung the supple curves of her body. It was love at first sight, I would do anything those eyes asked me to do. Then, she shook herself, and sprayed mud all over the room. + Show Spoiler [Page 2 (aka dramatic, page turning siz…] + That broke the spell..., and the now scrawny black dog looked up at with those same sad dark eyes that just let me know, some scummy bastard had been mistreating her. I was still going to do anything those eyes asked, but now I was an angry, determined, a sum hunter. Thus my, sordid divorce case days ended, and scum hunting career began! From that day forth, Skip was my partner in the pursuit of scum wherever they hide, Skip like all dogs has an amazing sense of smell, and homes in on anything smelling scummy, but as all dogs do, has slight natural predilection to also just rolling in anything that is smelly. Thus we make perfect team, Skip ferrets out the smelliest things that are around and I analyse them to see which ones are scummy, and which are simply “off colour”, “bad mana”, or simply “just bad”. And folks, Fe Fi Fo fum, Skip smells scum lurking in this town. Right here in Noir city, we got scum, that rhymes with <Ba da da Dummmmmm....>. …. Oh heck lets just, lynch em!. Lynch em all and let Dog sort out his own. So far the thread has been fairly interesting. getting to L-2 and all that jazz. Normally i really dont like telling scum how not to look scummy, this one, IMO, is even more important than has been defined so far. policy: For Gods sake, if you are town, do NOT Lol Hammer. If you do..... it will be one hell of scum marker against you, hence not a townie thing to do. Even if you actually were right and lynched scum... why did you want to stop the discussion so suddenly... what did you want NOT to happen... If you are town; For Gods sake do NOT Lol Hammer. Ok, I kinda hope everyone knew that, but given one or two statements in the thread i am not sure. So operating on the assumption not everyone knows what to do, rather than just say what not to do I will say what I think you should do if you think you want to hammer. How to hammer vote? State that you intend too Hammer in the thread and see what happens.... | ||
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@everyone: Anyone here? I suppose I could chat(play fetch) with Skip for a while.... @Ghor Starting small and procedural: @Ghor as I don't know what time zone you are in... would you mind saying? I'd like to get some idea when our posting time will overlap. I am from +11, but I do get up late... Other people i can mainly guess from previous games. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 11:26 Ghor wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote: Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting. I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you. There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now? ghor not like this statement. ghor not think risk evaluated kenpachi rule with statistics. if he does he remember games where it worked. but does he know game where it not worked?ghor want proof. look like risk defend strange rule to save himself. ghor think risk need tell what scummy about hopeless, risk said he look scummy. what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute? While there is no need to use big words to say big/good ideas. one word you use has me stumped. What is "privjet" ? (I(Google) think it means Hello.)(but id like to be sure, and id like the thread to know what you meant.) "what make him more scummy than others who say privjet but no contribute?" means "what make him more scummy than others who say hello but no contribute?" | ||
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On April 02 2013 12:33 Ghor wrote: ghor like keep his timezone secret. but i can tell this time bad for ghor normally.today exception. ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs. privjet = hello yes, no writing kyril here, capitalist amerikanskij web. ============== ghor like know what axle think of risk, and comrades that privjet and disappear. In general, I don't do what other people who either may or may not be scum tell me to do. I do however have to cooperate and let you find out what you need to to know that I am town. + Show Spoiler [LOL?] + This may not be quite relevant, but _if_ there is indeed language barrier it may be useful. This was not quite the point of the story... "ghor liked story, but disappointed when not erotic. ghor no like erotic with dogs." Story was meant to have twist and be funny, by first tricking you into thinking one thing then surprising you. Its wasn't erotic with dogs, it was compassionate with dogs. The erotic was left over from when you were first believing the facts of Skip fitted a human female. When in truth one set of observations, had two(or more) very different explanations. Even now you cant really be certain of some things in that story... + Show Spoiler [Other explanations] + Some stories are fictional stories where the characters are animals, perhaps the detective in my story is a dog too? (truth: I did intend the detective to be a now angry dog owner) While that seems a total distraction from the game and scum hunting, a personal practical actual reminder of how tunneled you get when you judge a book by its cover was useful. Axle on Risk. I think Risk is under quite a bit of pressure. I think Risk has rather plausibly (given his time zone) claimed the need to go to sleep. I am left wondering what the Risk voters think they should do right now... and little intrigued none of them seem to be doing that. Apart from that, for now Risk is big boy, risk can look after himself. As I don't know if Risk is town or scum for sure, now is the time for me to watch and decide if Risk is scummy, or are the people pushing him scummy and trying to look useful by parking their votes on him. Also while I accept your desire not to state the time zone you are in, failing to indicate in advance when you will need to leave the thread to sleep etc, does mean that if you continue to choose not to say when you are available, and you get pressured as Risk just has, if that is when you choose to inform us "So sorry, Ghor has to sleep now", saying that then will look bad, or at least much worse than Risk going to sleep; It *is* late where Risk is posting from. Thus you being a little more specific about when you expect to be unavailable might be helpful to you. You can however choose to not give town that information. Axle on Policy Lynches. Flat out rules of the form... if Do this, then we Lynch that, are silly. Everything people do provides an amount of evidence. The reason I so strongly opposed LOL hammering is that is such a not town thing to do that if any towny is silly enough to do it, it may lose us the entire game as they would then look so scummy. I mention this notion of strength of evidence, because to me so far the thread seems little disconnected between strength evidence and the pressure applied. However just like my dog story I have several explanations for the same facts, it is just matter of deciding what is most likely. | ||
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On April 02 2013 12:33 Ghor wrote: ghor like know what axle think of .... and comrades that privjet and disappear. People who turn up see that stuff, is happening in the thread so they don't need to take the risk of saying anything at all look scummy to me. As mentioned, pretty much everything has multiple explanations, if it did not this game would be easy. Sometimes it is important not butt in, if the conversation is going fine, and the exchange is providing you information there is no need for it to be you driving the thread. Indeed one way scum would save a partner, is to start some new line of enquiry to distract people. So silence is sometimes good thing. Saying hello then going silent however... that is harder to explain as a town action. It amounts to claim they have nothing useful to say. | ||
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@Sylencia Syl, I would like to ask you questions about your views of the thread, or see if I can read the mindset behind your posting, or posts but you don't seem to have made any. That is risky way to Start D1. Do you have any thoughts on the thread at all so far? just to be clear, ##vote Sylencia (your post time meta suggest you should normally be available soon) Do something, do something now please? | ||
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On April 02 2013 15:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Why the fuck does one of you not speak English and the other one fancy himself a short story writer? Why the fuck do you choose to express yourself so succinctly that if you are town it is very hard for me to tell? Why is that rhetorical question inflammatory of an emotive response? I have scummy reasons that would explain that, do you have towny one? Is that succinctness a purposeful stratagem so that when you are scum it is easier to fake? Note my question actually addresses the game rather than merely inflaming... While we are about it... In this post On April 02 2013 08:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit. So let's save us some time and kill VisceraEyes? ##Vote: VisceraEyes you were all for lynching VE. by this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177697 Your position was reversed and you are voting for the person your top scum read just voted for. Did you examine this logic On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either: 1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule. 2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL. I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1). ##Vote: risk.nuke Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. and find it persuasive? | ||
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On April 02 2013 16:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: If someone were to call me out on trying to fish for a reaction and get information I would probably just ignore them and their question. There are two posts of risk.nuke that stand out for me. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:59 risk.nuke wrote: If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda. Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. He says what he could do as scum. But I don't believe that's how it would go. You bring up an idea and let people run with it or see where the thread takes it. If he were to do that it would also put pressure on him to keep up that level of aggression/focus on players. It's not a position most scum would be comfortable putting themselves in on Day 1. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote: Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting. I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you. There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now? I never heard of this rule, and here he is reinforcing the idea of it being accurate, but also mentioning that I might be immune to it since I am an older player. I don't like how he tried to simultaneously say how easy he could incriminate me if he was scum and how he is still trying to pretend this Kenpachi tell thing is real. As scum you couldn't possibly put so much pressure on someone for something so stupid. That is interesting, and i have interactions/explanations Id like to see with risk.nuke about what he did. I have other issues not yet stated, but I have those for several players. I find it intriguing however that when I (or VE whoever you were answering) asked about why you voted for risk.nuke and I asked if you found the argument against him compelling... What you quote in your next post is things he said *after* you voted for him. What were the things he said before you voted for him that lead you to vote for him? I assume you did have reason at the time and not just one you found afterwards? | ||
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On April 02 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Axel you never gave your own comment on risk.nuke. When I looked for your thoughts on risk this is what I found. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 13:18 AxleGreaser wrote: Axle on Risk. I think Risk is under quite a bit of pressure. I think Risk has rather plausibly (given his time zone) claimed the need to go to sleep. I am left wondering what the Risk voters think they should do right now... and little intrigued none of them seem to be doing that. Apart from that, for now Risk is big boy, risk can look after himself. As I don't know if Risk is town or scum for sure, now is the time for me to watch and decide if Risk is scummy, or are the people pushing him scummy and trying to look useful by parking their votes on him. Nowhere in any of this are your thoughts on anything risk.nuke has posted, his interactions with anyone in the thread - there's literally no original thought in there aside from "I believe risk's claim that he went to sleep". Instead of getting all up in RoL's grill for voting for risk, why don't you provide your thoughts on risk's play. Twice in this snip alone you sprinkle doubt on the pushers of the risk wagon. Do you think he's town getting the shaft? Are you suspicious of people pushing risk.nuke as your post seems to allude to? You are indeed correct i have not yet pushed risk. His absence would make that hard. Nor have I jumped on throwing on more points or a vote. It was pretty early in the Day to be at L-1. That smells wrong. The first time through as I watched the thread in real time, I actually found you looking scummy. (As i already had some of your earlier posts flagged.) Sometime since then i have gone back, un-tunnelled myself and tried to 'make up a story' about what happened. (by make up story, I mean this, I don't know who is scum so I try each combination of who might and see which wine is easiest to drink.) What I don't do is start with a conclusion and see if I can find evidence for it, I can make sense of that period in the thread, with risk acting with scummy motivation, I can make sense of it with you being scum, and i can make sense of it with RoL opportunistically sheeping you. As recently as this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18178835 you were yourself asking RoL for independent reasons for his vote. Indeed I think he was failing at answering your question when he provided reasons for the vote that came after the vote. | ||
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On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. Ok, I asked because I didn't regard your original vote, as having the kind of reasoning I would want to put the L-2 vote down in rapid succession to the L-3 vote, especially early in the day. I am sorry but I do have actual questions about the scummyness of actions, but a problem in that whoever I ask them of first it helps someone else who I also think might be scum make up a more plausible story. I'd kind of like to hear what risk has to say for himself when he comes back. In some ways, its your posts in this session that give me are better feel for who is wriggling on the hook, and who is town. I also have to remember to try out the story that everyone in the story is town, and scum are laughing themselves silly and lurking. So lurkers have something to say. | ||
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##unvote Sylencia I may of course re-vote you sometime, with some scum cause but now I (and everyone else) have something to analyse. Also while volume was good idea, list posts, ... not so much. As other people may or may not have trouble understanding(as they live in their own time zones), I will define Syls probable post timing reasons. The game started at 9.00am AEST, Syl probably had other RL commitments but managed to say stuff anyway. Thus I am not overly concerned by any aspect of the timing of posts, but I didn't want it to drag on. Consider that a complete 180 on the previous vote. Spoilered as i actually respond to most of Syls post, so it is large. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright.. No problem I will do you that service each time, we reach a similar situation. I will also just as casually unvote it. I wanted to be sure you responded tonight(AEST). On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: My thoughts so far: - Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret. Example: Ghor said this. "if risk town he can play harder than everyone else now and know if he does not, he dead. but need other opinion from not posting people first." IMO: You need to read it as this.... "if risk is town aligned, if he can now play harder than everyone, else if he does not, he is going to get lynched." "but We need to hear opinions from the not posting people first." (aka if the Lynch goes to easy, even if it hits scum, that is worse for town than if we have full discussion) Ghor, might be just as bad player as Jungle Jorge was in recent game....who turned out to be Sandroba.... On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said. Really? You think it would be easy for scum to hammer someone like risk out of the blue and get away with it.... The votes did stop at L-2... I said some fairly firm words about LOL hammering. I suspect many hopefully all townies wont LOL hammer, if risk is town and scum want to LOL hammer a townie, even at L-1, and trade 1 for 1 that is a losing game strategy. However as, the 'expert' Ghor claims, risk may well have to play well not to eventually get lynched there is some player credibility in those first 3 votes. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here. Indeed his filter does not look good. Early votes such as his can be cast with little thought. Even my vote on you was a very very low risk thing to do even though it is now not early. Cheesecake, can play. So yeah that filter is not good so far, but it is also true that in my view Cheesecake should, not now pile more points reasons, on the case against Risk, with more words. However, If we get to L-1 on risk, Then Cheesecake will need to provide a reason to not retract his to me original fairly just for lols vote. @Cheesecake Right now Cheese... I think you ought do something in the thread, please choose your own target(s) HOWEVER for preference what I'd like to know is who else Cheesecake thinks looks scummy. We do after all have to lynch scum tomorrow... On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you. Sorry I do try. Sometimes I know I am very trying. You could always ask a direct question about a post. On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote: - Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it. Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action. -VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on. I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me. #-#Vote Mr. Cheesecake FYI: yes I have heard of Kenpachi trap, so has Google, ... BTW Cheese... That's a vote on you by Syl ^^^^ Do something, Do something now? Although you are on the Risk wagon, (as the pseudo instigator) Id prefer you did anything other than bury him deeper until he deigns to respond to stuff or whatever it is a towny risk thinks he should do now. | ||
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Do Not LOL Hammer When you post "intent to Lynch" you then need to wait until we also get last reads from any plausible nks. In game with just instant majority Lynch it is AFAIK good idea to always post 'intent to Lynch' before anyone hammers the lynch. (I have never played in one... so that is hearsay) In this game we also have silent nights. If some tard LOL Hammers then the immediately imposed silence, means whoever scum nks gets no chance, to post their _other_ reads. As scum are likely to kill who-evers input they most want to stop. Loosing the nk's last _other_ reads (and flip speculation) is a bad thing. So to operate in its own best interests, Town needs just a little organisation near the hammer vote. I for instance have some things to say, I want to say them after we get to intent to Lynch. (While by dead reckoning, on the basis of prior form, I numerically shouldn't be the kill, but scum does weird WIFOM shit sometimes.) | ||
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. risk I am little confused you said you'd post about "hapa" which confused the dickens out of me as hapa is not playing. hapa is hosting... In this post you say... "it started with this post." What started? are you responding to a question? What is the "it" that started? | ||
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On April 02 2013 21:07 risk.nuke wrote: sorry, hapa=hopeless What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter. On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? .... So when you said "it started with this post." "What started was I ment what first rubbed me the wrong way with him, the post that makes you want to click at their filter." Could you walk me through when and how this happened please? When did that post rub you the wrong way? | ||
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On April 02 2013 21:29 risk.nuke wrote: When I read it? Sorry thread, my last two posts were chasing what I thought was something significant, turns out when I went back to verify all my facts, I had missed critical post where risk first mentioned Hopeless... sorry i thought this hopeless thing had come out of left field. Indeed irrespective of whether or not Risk, gets lynched or flips scum or town, I would like some input from people such as Hopeless today. | ||
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On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that? he did make this post pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts. | ||
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On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Howdy folks! @Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct? Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? | ||
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On April 02 2013 22:07 AxleGreaser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 20:58 risk.nuke wrote: Hopeless1der it started with this post. On April 02 2013 10:07 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, are we going to be fighting a language barrier with you or are you just trolling? He's pretty much around but doesn't do anything or comments on anything of worth. His three posts tells us he was around and this is what he choose to comment on? Compare to other filters, dessert fruity His other two posts one is a sheep-post where he talks briefly about hammers, which is fine but it doesn't really add anything. The second and last one is some cheap shots which mostly just serve to tell us he's not reading the thread and if he is he's just skimming through it without caring when we're 1½ pages. So you think we ought Lynch Hopeless instead on the basis of that? he did make this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177783 pointing out what he claimed was problem with your posts. | ||
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On April 03 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Axle You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking. You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. Sorry about being all over the place. I wanted data, not a 1 early wagon and a basically silent day. From my point of view it(the risk incident) is a little odd and I get conflicting reads. There was either lot of bad play or there is scum in there some where. I have made some progress in clarifying those conflicts. I also had the problem that i thought the 3 votes by such influential players would let scum if they were still out there sit around comfortably, as the remaining townies would also just drop into lurk mode thinking the lynch was set. Also even if risk was scum then the remaining scum player would likewise go to ground. All possibilities were from viewpoint less than ideal. So I wanted to shake stuff up, hence voting Syl, who I legitimately voted because I thought of the lurkers Syl would be the next lurker to get home from work. I have also read a bit of Syls meta over time and I was also worried Syl might just stay silent and leave us one more unreadable. Sylencia can be true to name and very silent. I also tried to be encouraging about Syls post hoping to get more, .... I also had problems with the wagon itself, One description of the wagon, the description that makes risk.nuke scum is.... is that you directly pressured risk.nuke he coped alright, but then he felt pressured to be productive, and he completely flubbed his push on RoL by pushing when he couldn't say " yes I(risk) have a scumread on RoL (std disclaimer: not strong one because its early) " In contrast when you pushed Risk you did have some reason. Risk pushed then said pretty much said 'no just kidding'. There were various other problems/inconsistencies with his explanations. What really tricks/confuses me out is RoL had pretty much just suggested lynching VE for being bad not scum. "I don't feel like this game getting out of hand spammy and I also hate when one person triggers the "I'm town" bullshit." Why (as either alignment) did risk invoke Kenpachi at all why didn't he just call RoL scum? one explanation that may fit best is; when pressured scum get flustered. My previous reading of risk didn't indicate that might happen. All that happens while still at your 1 vote so its not even like there was a lot of pressure when he chose to say kenpachi. in terms of logic, the explanations from risk that come later also don't bear the consistency marks of truth, they resemble scrambling. However i also really don't like VEs reasoning here, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177638 I also don't like that RoL, chose to go from 2 votes to 3 so soon. That looks expedient, I would have thought RoL would be aware of the value of milking the wagon for whatever association tells we could get out of it. I don't know why but I just cant shake the feel read that risk.nuke responses were town motivated, and that all the illogicality of it is just bad play. Now that the wagon has backed of a bit, and thus other people are posting and considering options again, I think I might get some more sleep, its 5am. | ||
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I am not yet clear on what happened in the last 5 hours or so, while I have read it, more than once and at 16 pages total the thread is not huge by any stretch. so... | ||
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one of the propositions, it is just cold logic. If we take the player List, I can cut in two in a way that is interesting to me. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLegend and Risk.nuke. are in one (pool A). if I leave myself out (as i have read my PM) that leaves Sylencia, LazerMonkey, Hopeless, and Ghor in (pool B) So, if both you(the reader) and I had to guess out of pool A & B who scum would nk.... I think we would reach the same conclusion. (It is also even true if you take yourself out and put me in pool B) I am a contrarian bastard, all else being equal, anything scum wants I don't. Sorry guys, unless we have an actual significant reason, and I don't consider the cases that have been put on risk.nuke and more recently cheescake a significant reason, then Lynching into the same pool as scum will nk a Townie from seems silly. If scum want what i consider one of the players with better/longer track records dead, then scum can god damn kill them themselves. Basically a significant part of why (if i get a choice) I will choose to lynch out of pool B is what I regard as holes in all the logic I have seen put against members of Pool A. But worse the holes are at times (mainly?) from other members of pool A. As such I have the expectation I will be posting things about what happened between Cheescakes pressure vote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177222 and My first post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18177952 basically the analysis is going to be a little pointless (sorry) as what I wind up with is meh/whatever, but it is the mehness of that that justifies me lynching into pool B. Also as once the Lynch goes down there is silent night, and a chance either someone I discuss (or really unlikely me?) will die, I would like to have my view of those events on the table. I see them differently, to the participants. As stated it does not paint any one of them red, if you are one of Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, RebirthOfLegend and Risk.nuke. and you wish to clarify the towny intentions of/behind your actions, AKA walk us through your thinking, please do. Finally note one rather useful thing the whole risk.nuke wagon did was it parked all of the pool A players, on or under a wagon, and left space for the lurkers to come out and play. Hence it was in some sense a good thing, even if risk.nuke was never a lot scummy. My next and immediate task is to decide if i want to 'vote to Lynch', Hopeless, Sylencia, Lazer or Ghor. | ||
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On April 03 2013 14:34 Ghor wrote: ghor actually decide to give risk townread for now.he not lurky, he sound better lately. ghor kill hopeless, people wait for sylencia to answer. ghor want hammer. and sickle. da. ##Unvote #-#hopeless1der ATTENTION THREAD hopeless1der is at L-1 If you vote NOW for hopeless the day ends... do not vote right now. Do NOT LOL hammer. I was coming here to vote for Hopeless.... to put him at L-1, but as it would be now the intention to hammer vote.... IMO need slightly better reasons, as I also need to rule out Syl and Lazer. (RL life means I have to cook tea, and stuff... so I cant be quick) basically I think people ought start getting their affairs in order.... Hopeless You say that you are town... I think you game is about to end.... What help can you give town? Some nice you will be sorry when you lynch me thing... ok? | ||
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What has hopeless1der done this game, and is it consistent with a scummy motivation. TLDR: Yes. Were done intention to hammer the lynch on Hopless1der Suggestions on what time you dont want him hammered before welcome... Is there anything anyone wants to say before we enter silent night and you perhaps die? In particular are there any people who might be nk targets that wish to speak before they die? pool A... That means You + Show Spoiler [an actual case] + is there anything that is not consistent with scum Hopeless? Policy talk asks Ghor about language issues He makes 1 prod at the risk wagon. (has 1 out 2 valid points) but does not Vote (it is at L-2... ?) so perhaps thats a choice. (yes he hunted risk as scum,(found 1 scummy point) see later post for why risk might well not be...) As town: Personally if it is VEs and RoLs wagon, I also want to see why they are pushing it as at that point in the game I don't at this time know if they are town. So yeah chucking fuel on someone elses wagon, is a bit scummy. So even though he wants long day.. presumably to catch _other_ scum... what is his apparent prime focus... He then asks Ghor about risk.nuke, and votes him to pressure him into replying, but even though he is hunting scum is is supposedly be, like Syl, concerned somewhat about the possibility of hammering when Hopless gets an answer from Ghor the vote, that he is concerned about, stays parked on Ghor... because.... he doesn't care? Having said I think he's a good choice for lynch. at 1.32 admitedly not that long later, but it is only when pushed, he puts his vote on risk... Now personally I have some sympathy for the view of not putting risk at L-1 earlier where one actual accident ends the day. Indeed I think he should not have so rapidly gone from 1 to 3 votes... My problem is the posting and voting seems to be following path of least resistance, like whatever is needed to get people to look elsewhere or just get the lynch to happen. If scum is lucky or good in instant majority lynching they don't need to have any votes on any wagons... especially if the front runner is a mislynch. You can fan it and throw petrol on it but there is no need to actually vote it. When asked why Ghor rejecting Hopelesses dsicovery of a scum slip (by risk) as a scum slip, is a scummy thing for Ghor to do, Hopless claims that is Ghor somehow sweeping it under the rug. I find that little odd... I find that if there is some disagreement like whether or not something is scum slip.. as town that attracts my attention... after all if one of them is making up scum slips out of whole cloth, then I need to think why they'd make that mistake. One reason scum make mistakes like that is they are always reaching for arguments to show things they know not to be true. Town can make overreaching claims too, but I find it tends to be a scummy thing to do. And then it just gets silly.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18181435 when hopeless finds 3rd scum in the game... personally if you find some hole in my reasoning... first I am embarrased, and second since I am playing to win... I want to fix my error. Hopelesses reasoning that doubting his scum slip is scum slip makes the doubter scum leads to the conclusion there are 3 scum. Ergo the logic is faulty. Does hopeless want correct logic? Nope. (BTW I think it not scum slip too I must be scum as well that makes it 4 scum in 9 player game... Oh nos were at Lylo?) Does hopless want to go back and find out what that error means and correct it? See earlier when I stuffed up and asked a couple of stupid pointless questions. I just flat out said oops. I said it so no one would be distracted by the error. Care to Guess why, I care about the thread having truthful information? While he says “I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon.” presumably that is so as to hunt other scum... but basically a summary of Hopeless1der's scum hunting is.... Looking around for someone else who wants to lynch risk... His new scum read Ghor, was found because he disgreed with one part of a post Hopeless made against risk. When he discovers multiple people think the slip was not slip and that Ghors point was right... They're all scum All up my actual position is I think Hopeless is the most likely person I see to flip scum Intention to hammer Hopeless1der Caveat: I will also now consider some meta + Show Spoiler [meta] + here is Hopeless challenging palmer Logic. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17407538 This is hopeless making read that allows for the kind of player he is considering http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17409484 That seems little disparate with his tolerance for Ghor... who is admittedly perhaps more challenging than Palmar. However no it does not really seem like Towny Hopeless from LVIII to me. @LAZER http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187577 As you played and think the meta is similar Would you care to outline examples where Hopeless is reactive, like i find him in this game or examples where he is so interested in what other people are voting. examples of him commenting (throwing fuel) on wagons ... or any explanation of what he wanted the day to be long so that he could accomplish? What was he doing today? FYI: No I wont be hammering soon or abruptly... We have a long time to spin our wheels and line up all our ducks. I have several long posts I want to make that I have not yet written. I want to put in the thread my best understanding of what happened when the risk wagon started, and why I was not all yipee lets lynch that scum.. there were and are issues with that wagon. Also unless i hear from the people who i think might get nk'd that they are done posting for the day, that will also make me pause for as long as I safely can. | ||
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On April 03 2013 19:22 Lazermonkey wrote: I think you are using meta in the wrong way, Axle. No, I haven't actually gone back to the games to find specific posts that match with this game but I don't feel I have to. You have displayed that you don't think his play this game matches his town meta (first and foremost you only quote 2 posts, but lets ignore that for a sec) however, this is quite irrelevant. What we do want to know is if his meta matches his scum games, not if it doesn't match his town games. My point is that hopeless have a history misslynches and I think there are better alternatives than him atm. No you are right, it is true you don't have to, but your post directed me at an entire filter. So I thought i would be polite and at least attempt to see if your point made sense to me. I do want to be sure we lynch the best most likely candidate. You failed to find difference between his play here and there, I thought I did. I also admit I just added that bit in at the end, primarily my read/case was based on his play in just this game. Also i see better alternatives is plural... do you have better alternatives or a better alternative? | ||
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On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? | ||
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On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote: On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? | ||
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On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote: On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote: On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote: Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game. Who is your top scum read? risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now. How did your case on Ghor get started? Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever.. That's strange... while that is where in your filter you first started mentioning Ghor... I did indeed find the argument over the scum slip interesting. In this post On April 03 2013 01:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote: ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia. All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it. Hopeless, question: Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none. Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it? (Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension) it was what initially put me onto you as scum, so thank you for the compliment. You indicate that it was him not agreeing with your assessment of the scumslip. Now that is important to me in assessing the genuine nature of your scum hunting. it strike me that if you are reacting emotively to "a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills" and when you find out that what you claimed was what originally put you onto him then at best you are seriously tunnel visioned... Wine that is easier to drink is that, you are scum, and not interested in whether or not your read started from false premise. (the false premise is Ghor not liking your scum slip indicated to you, he was scum) Its true that is not strong indicator, its true if I had better candidate id vote lynch them. Its not the only thing I said in that post by rather long shot. As you have noted its not possible that all the people who don't think that was scum slip are scum, there are just too many of us. So yes I regard that you do not seem to go back and actually critically evaluate your reads as scum indicative. it simply doesn't feel like genuine searching for the truth, just a glove that does or does not fit. BTW. I got a bad feeling the trolly jerk face probably fell off his chair when he read your last post. | ||
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On March 29 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote: I will be very disappointed if you don't lynch the host, though. beggars cant be choosers, no case on the host yet i am afraid, will kenpachi do? A case on Kenpachi + Show Spoiler [Open in the event of Death] + or for personal amusement or to find out why WTF I was doing today... The Kenpachi Incident. Axle: Well Skip, this is fine game of mafia, seen any funny peculiar smelly stuff? Skip: Woof! Axle: so you fetch the sticks I will examine them. Skip: fetch For the sake of those that are not familiar with the standard a pattern, after perhaps little policy warm up, the 'players' start some argy bargy. + Show Spoiler [argy bargy] + Skip: Stick: Cheese votes Ah yes, Cheese did a just for LOLs vote on risk.nuke because he had some small cause, absence from thread having posted ... in the first few mins then dropped out for 90 mins or so. Skip: Stick: active delurker risk responds in 3 mins, just happened to be there? Risk is not (in my view phased at all)... Later Skip: here he says "Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine,..." Having got someone new to talk to Cheescake gets on with the game Skip: Cheese not think hi vote is a big deal... Not to be outdone RoL votes VE (for being bad not for being scum?) (aka BS) Skip: Votes VE for BS VE and Rol swap some BS, and feigned? offence... (dont know how close to the bone this game cuts yet) And then the wheels supposedly fall off. At 9:18 risk posts a reply he probably been writing since about 8:52 Skip: Policy statements by risk Now question you have to ask your self, is if Risk is scum just how pressured does he feel at the moment? Does it make sense that he rashly grabs at just anything because "OMG they're onto me?" 1 minute later. he posts this... Skip: RoL got kenpachied? do you think he was really hoping someone was going to ride, the idea that anyone who votes for anyone who says they are towny is scum? Could it be that he just likes knowing about the rule? besides what actually does he say the Rule is? Skip: The rule "Kenpachi claims vanilla townie and the first person to contest it is mafia." and for me here is one rub, Kenpachi is not in the game...! not only is Kenpachi not in the game, but VE claimed town, not VT? When kenpachi claimed VT, thats a much bigger WTF play that might well garner some scum pressure looking for the first silly play they can find... The two situations to me bear almost no similarity... so far... I hate to go all ACE and 3rd grade reading skills .... exactly how serious, does anyone who can read, think what a such ridiculously BS claim is? BTW (I am dead serious, AFTER the game feel free anyone who knows better to tell me what the F this was all about if it was not just all bullshit.) So VE asks.... Ah I see. So does this make RoL scum to you? Well as the conditions of the trap were not met, its an obvious no? As best I can tell, what risk did wrong, was when Risk made his push on VE he couldn't back it up at all. Thus unlike cheeses vote, which had some basis in fact... Risk was lurking... Risk pushed without a plan what to do if the pushee pushed back... AKA not being serious, not really trying, yeah its bit thin... but are scum actually that willy nilly? However, even though VEs vote puts risk at 2 votes which is more pressure, and we could wait and see what happens, with that much pressure. Why is two votes a good idea? Well when he had one vote, he was basically laughing it off. RoL however jumps on with the 3rd vote... My problem with that move... is there is for me such discontinuity between the pressure of 1 vote and being at L-2 that i have no serious idea, whether Risk subsequent messes as he tries to back out of it badly... remembering the spontaneous 1 min knee jerk way he got into the mess, its not surprising to me there was no exit strategy. because yes even as town after you push one player you may need to then go push another hence an exit strategy if you find your pressure is no longer required as you got he feedback to soothe that itchy feeling. (Syl posting when Syl got home from work) About the towniest thing I saw he did for a while, was, first try then ignore it and go to bed. So yeah, the Kenpachi thing was ill advised, and spontaneous, that therewere in fact logical ways to say no it was just for Lols look it doesn't even fit this situation... but that wasnt said? basically it feels a lot like a face palm play. Shit happens.... However.... did scum try to capitalise on that? Well basically Cheese got stuck under a bigger push... (or just was RL asleep/work?) VE presented this argument + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: I had a similar thought regarding risk.nuke. Why bring up the Kenpachi Rule at all if he had no intention of following it? My thoughts brought me to "He's scummy". He's either: 1) Scum trying to incriminate RoL innocuously by "joking" about Kenpachi Rule. 2) Town trying to trap someone into agreeing with his assessment and voting RoL. I ruled out 2 by asking him if he thought RoL was scum because of it, and he doesn't, which leaves 1). ##Vote: risk.nuke Conversely I'm very null on RoL. Abhorring my play-style is very NOT alignment indicative for that guy. Um err what? VE presents two options Risk is "the pope" or "hes scum" proves he not the pope therefore he is scum? Now that exaggerates the problem a lot but NO VE, that is known as false dichotomy? yes VE (may!!!) have ruled out 2, but no that does not only leave option 1... BTW how would presenting case you really support that someone is scum trap someone into agreeing with it at all. I agree its shitty trap that would never have done anything... if some reader knew what the trap was... See here Risk says he thought more people knew about it.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18179647 People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Do note how the trap worked before it got outed, in other words it was tell that required the trapee to not know what the trap was... if more people knew about it then its no longer applicable? The intriguing thing about this whole business is, what exactly was the Kenpachi trap? Well Kenpachi did something to make himself Lynch bait, and then waited for a fish to bite... people looking for easy BS lynches were more likely to take the bait... aka scum go for the low hanging fruit. Oh ... I see said the blind man... There were indeed some people doing things that were ever so slightly scummy in that they could have been easily mistaken as riding some easy mislynch into the ground. BTW ta. So what does all this mean? Well while there is in fact some scumminess in risk being lackadaisical in how he pushed and made a fluff of it, I think scum sometimes are more lase fair in their approach to the game... although some scum play more serious so WTF knows anyway its at least an oddly weak play by risk... but lynch worthy that early? No just a convenient place to park. So what does all this mean? Well after we Lynch the first two Scum we should then Lynch Kenpachi Intent to Lynch kenpachi! TLDR; Hes been shitting up the thread enormously. Obvious scum is obvious. Well just as soon as I can find him... | ||
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On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer? Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 18:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini) To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me... Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum. Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so? CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative. VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm. The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed. It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same. You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence... What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping. Lazer Said "Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum." Sorry earlier I failed to even parse what LazerMonkey meant. I kind of auto assumed he couldn't find any EXTRA reasons I thought he was scummy... Well in my view rather obviously as I put my case AFTER VE and cheese said their bits, but I did not say I disagreed with them, that was an implicit agreement. So basically while I do agree with what had been said, my post added what ever extra I could. BTW. I am getting pretty tired... expect some WTF grammar and stuff. | ||
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I have counted it, but i am a bit bleary eyed and want a nap. If Hopeless is at L-2 I will vote now. I ought wake up, but just to be safe... | ||
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On April 04 2013 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm back. Did I miss anything BESIDES Hopeless trying to kill himself? I made case to Lynch the third scum kenpachi? So not really. Are you going to be here until Lynch/Hammer? if so and you unvote, Hopeless Then I will vote him. Id like nap... and has he has pointed out if I put him at L-1 he could self hammer...? and i am way to tired to guess if he might or what that would mean. | ||
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On April 04 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I did miss that. I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia. Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you? The meta is an issue. earlier ones are newbs, and they seem to feel different for all the players I read meta for. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=290656 Themed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&user=290656 Aint big enough I chose this post as possible bound (under the right conditions?) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17885917 I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias. logically however.... Why Syls current position, is not present in the thread and no vote on anyone? D1 is drawing to close .... and no effort to even arrange a way for the times when Syl can be in the thread to get a vote down... There was time last night when Syl voting Hopeless would have been the hammer? but still to say nothing? Syl: could have said "hey guys, id like to vote to minimise the chance of a no lynch but not make the hammer happen now, would someone make some space so I can vote then go to bed?" Syl: has policy of not leaving votes around carelessly in instant majority... seems little more in practice like just not voting. but basically... logically... I just cant see how townie.Syl could ride out D1 without a vote down... I also cant see why scum.Syl wouldn't have found a place to park a vote? So as I said. I have no idea why, but I think I start analysing Syl with positive cognitive bias. | ||
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## Vote Hopeless1der Hopeless1Der should now be at L-2. going for a zzzz. Should be back... | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187555 On April 03 2013 18:08 Sylencia wrote: Now Ghor has suddenly done a 180 on risk saying he's town based on activity (...) and chooses to jump ship to Hopeless. So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways. | ||
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##unvote ##vote Sylencia | ||
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Still having both tomorrow is just DAFT | ||
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In the post game | ||
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On April 10 2013 10:48 Hapahauli wrote: I felt that the 48-hour Day 1 felt really artificial. I'll probably tweak the time-mechanics a bit for the next version. I'm thinking either... a) A "time-bank" mechanic. Town starts with 72-96 hours on Day 1, and gains 24 more hours every cycle. If time ever expires on town, the day ends in a no-lynch. b) A flat 1-week time limit on the game. a) does look interesting. As it requires townies to decide when to hammer, and gives scum an excuse to. That makes days to me actually variable length. not b? especially not until a was tried and failed (except I dont think it would) | ||
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Axles dying Words: and he scores! nk=n1 ..... bucket_list(0) = tick! GG HF + Show Spoiler + Skip: <Stands Looking at Axles still warm corpse.> Skip: <walks over and gives him one last be wet doggy lick> Skip: <Turns at looks intently at the town members one by one> Skip: ow Ow Ow oooooooooooooh, in the silence of the twilight. Skip: <Walks slowly towards the end of town, still watching the 'townies' intently.> As skip approaches the mirror at the end of Town, you think you hear someone say "/obs prease" You look around, for who. When you look back Skip is missing too. The mirrored window no longer seems relevant and you ignore it. + Show Spoiler [axle] + IMO: in game death posts, are still best in std form. gghf pocorn. As there is to me implicit information even in my dying words. (it implies I had considered the possibility...) The skip stuff could be fine as I did compose it pre game, but if you suspect I didn't ... So meh, post game for player flavoured deaths. | ||
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Oh and scum well played... CC especially had me. D2 I would have actively looked at Laser with the rest... I did have multiple theories at n1 (some included laser) but my guess in obs (dead wrong) was my best guess, when I passively read some more of the game and committed. Live and learn or not. | ||
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