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On March 25 2013 05:24 Blazinghand wrote: none of that is as dumb as the presence of the snitch in quidditch Meanwhile, multiple immortallity stones fall by the wayside. | ||
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On March 25 2013 03:33 Hopeless1der wrote: /in | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote: I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. "Absurd" I agree with. "Strange value" however...could you expand on how his heuristic is useful at discerning OTHER people's alignment, because I don't see it. | ||
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On April 22 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote: The idea is that anyone who posted before him is invested enough to at the very least look elsewhere - unless I'm missing something. That's a terrible heuristic if it is that simple. Simply posting in the thread, especially in the first ~2ish hours does not a townie make. On April 22 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote: I would like to know what motivates you to ask Palmar that question. Are you feeling uncomfortable with the fact that he's giving me a townread? Do you see scum motivation in doing so or do you think I'm scum? Yes I am uncomfortable with him giving you a townread off of something I read as non-indicative. I also want to know why he suggests there is any value in the heuristic you used because it's nonsense imo. | ||
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On April 22 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm confirmed scum :o Kush probably town. ^ | ||
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On April 22 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote: What I regard as important about your question is that you seem to assume that scumPalmar would give me an easy townread, when it wouldn't serve any purpose for him, unless you know of one and want to talk about it. Your question's whole purpose seems to be attacking Palmar's townread on me, which makes me curious. Cause town's goal is to find reasons for someone being scum, and not for heuristics to get townreads not being correct, that is mafia's goal cause it reduces the pool of people they could get lynched. So unless you see me or Palmar as scummy for some reason you aren't citing, I see the question you're asking as something that looks like scum agenda, as you criticize someone for issuing a townread on another guy. Then, why Palmar specifically? CC called everyone in the thread town at a certain point, and I called everyone posting before me town, yet you deem Palmar most interesting for issuing a single townread. Palmar's explanation for why he gave you a townread doesn't make sense to me and I want to question it. No one is confirmed fuck-all until they flip, but you throw it around based on the fact that they posted in the thread before you. I'd call that as you being reckless. Not scum, not town. Palmar disagrees and has cited some kind of reasoning. I wish to hear it. | ||
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On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. I don't understand what you're talking about. Assume I am 5 years old. Please explain. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'll interject here, to try and be all protown and useful. Is recklessness not a town trait? Personally I know, as scum, I'm pretty careful about what I post in the way of reads. Especially sweeping generalizations like that. It's a towntell because Vivax isn't caring what people think about him, and he the post itself clearly was not premeditated as to seem like he were doing something. I think Palmar went over-the-top with the ultra super mega awesome townread, but hey you've got to generate discussion somewhere. I believe it's a townie thing to do as opposed to a scum thing. I don't see it as particularly telling of either alignment as it was Vivax's first post. I read it and just kind of shook my head. I can follow not wanting to lynch him based on being reckless, though not with the certainty that Palmar has suggested. I'm specifically interested in the bolded. On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote: I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. | ||
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I do not. If I did, I would probably understand what you're going on about. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: All role PMs were just the name. I.E. Brave Wizard. None of us know wtf that is unless we read the OP. And such is what VE was talking about -- when he got his PM, he was like FUCK, gotta read dat OP so I know what I am. okay. that is true of every single player in the game. Why does this imply VE is town? (Kush?) | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:25 kushm4sta wrote: @hopeless did you have to check the OP? if you did, then why didn't you understand what VE said? [sarcasm]No, I don't read role pm's[/sarcasm] I didn't understand how that makes him town. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: -snip- Not sure if retarded..... or kush.... Same thing really. This was bound to happen, but kush gets a townread from me for it. | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:32 kushm4sta wrote: I already did though! VE town CC town Hopeless scum 2/3, not bad. owaitshit | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:48 getmoript wrote: How would you even know this? Are you scum? Did you receive a QT in your PM? Did you receive the QT in the same pm or a different pm? You are treading on highly suspicious ground for me because as a hydra I received my hydra QT in the same PM. You aren't a hydra clearly. How would you know that? On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Sample PMs: Auror Brave Wizard Harry Potter Rita Skeeter Voldemort, your QT: _____ Lucius Malfoy, your QT: _____ How the fuck is this so difficult to understand? | ||
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On April 22 2013 01:57 Palmar wrote: Geript rerrible or scum? Terrible. Can you explain the strange value in Vivax's heuristic? I can follow how you discerned Vivax's alignment from his post, but not how you might figure out others based on it/the heuristic he used. | ||
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On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote: I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I suppose that's true but until marv confirmed it himself it wasn't as clear. He could also be 3p btw. Yes, that is a thing I skipped over, so thx. On April 22 2013 06:07 Palmar wrote: geript already explained it to you. As a rule of thumb, it's more likely town players storm into the thread asap, it's certainly not very valuable, but it does have some value. I'd consider that a poor rule of thumb, but alright...how's your read on Oats doing? | ||
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I'm not discouraging reasonable townreads, I'm trying to keep things objective and informed. The two points against me are my comments on VE's entrance and Vivax/Palmar's entrance posts. For VE, watch carefully: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:50 Hopeless1der wrote: On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Sample PMs: How the fuck is this so difficult to understand? Am I trying to prevent townreads? You could say that. However, the reasoning used to attain a townread on VE was true of literally every player in the game. It's the equivalent of calling anyone who doesn't post for more than an hour scum. Man's gotta sleep right? Same way he has to READ THE OP TO LEARN WHAT HIS ROLE IS??? Vivax/Palmar's openings: Palmar, based on the plethora of information from Vivax's two posts, the first ones in the game, declares Vivax to be unlynchable. Just like that. And that was alright because I felt similar about it. I mean I'd still have an open mind, but Vivax's post did put me onto a townier side of Vivax. My problem with Palmar's post was that he called something really fucking stupid a valuable towntell heuristic. Let me break this shit down: DAY 1 POST timestamp On April 21 2013 16:55 Blazinghand wrote: Vivax's first posts, the ones Palmar was referring to On April 21 2013 18:23 Vivax wrote: Good morning. Is it safe to assume scum didn't post yet? On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote: Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. So roughly an hour and a half. In addition there were 15ish posts between 6 players, obs notwithstanding. Also, the game started in the dead of night where I am. Hydra Mini scum in ~30 minutes, 33 posts into the game. Ego Mini: scum posted within an hour of game start. 34 posts in. Noir Mini: scum four minutes and 6 posts into the game British Empire II second post of the game 3 minutes in. Red team's prize Scum in under an hour, 25 posts in. The Game scum 5 minutes in, second post All of these games violate Vivax's heuristic, but fuck me for pointing it out (without proof i guess) and questioning Palmar as to why he felt it was valuable, eh guys? . These are literally games just going down the list of the TL Mafia forum. I'm obviouscum trying to derail town from giving out Completely valid and well thought out town reads based on sound reasoning. Nah, you can all go die in a fire if you want to lynch me for this. As of right now, I'm on Sharrant's side and would lynch rayn. I disllike his backpedal about "policy" miller lynching. I dislike his case overall as it is largely OMGUS, but still asks questions of the person he is accusing. However, his preface to his case was here: On April 22 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what Sharrant.. Are you seriously saying that i'm trying to gain credit from town!TRN lynch on D1 as mafia? That's your conclusion? On April 22 2013 12:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Sharrant, where are the other mafia players voting for TRN so that i can gain credit from the lynch? These two quotes don't accomplish anything to me. He's just throwing the question back at sharrant like a stall tactic of feigning disbelief. For having come up with a scumread on Sharrant it seems grounded in the fact that Sharrant is wrong, not necessarily scum. On April 22 2013 12:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I fail to see how Sharrant can possibly think i am taking his "bait" and defending town!TRN (as he's now saying) as mafia. If TRN was my lynchbait, i would need my teammates to vote for him to gain the credit, otherwise defending him is useless for me. There is/was noone else voting for TRN. That's the worst reasoning to backpedal from a scumread i have ever heard. On top of that, Sharrant obviously hasn't even read why i think TRN is town. Hint: The post where i answer OO about him. "If I WERE mafia, blah blah blah" No. I say you ARE mafia. ##Vote: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. | ||
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On April 23 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote: I'll probably take hopeless out of my scumspects for now. Not every bad idea is necessarily a scum agenda, meh. I do hold in high regard that he actually goes against Rayn, as he's another guy I'd lynch. Either Drazak for excusing himself out (ask for replacement if you can't play the game), or people showing up late in the day without some damn good contributions. A damn good contribution isn't a huge post with a vote at the end, like RyuSuzaku in The game™, who rolled scum. you wanna clear that vote you have on me that went relatively unnoticed? | ||
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On April 23 2013 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ahh so you went back on the policy lynch thing. Then why did you say you agreed with me? I did not know if BM claimed miller or not, that's the sole reason why it can't be a policy lynch. Yes, i would lynch anyone who claimed miller on D1, but i can't policy lynch BM because i didn't know if he claimed miller or not, so this particular situation is not a disguise to policy lynch someone because it CANNOT BE SO IN THE FIRST PLACE! Fuck, why is reading so hard for you guys? - Why did you agree with your scumread TRN about me saying stuff that i have never said? - Why did you make a big post focusing on entire different things on me being scum than in the post you voted me on? - Why did you agree with me and now again backpedal from your latest theory? On April 22 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read BM's post as a miller claim. If it wasn't, he needs to explain this: - What was the purpose of making that post? There is no reason for a townie to say anything that does not lead into finding scum or proving their towniness. I don't see that post achieving either of those things. If the claim was actually real, i want BM to explain why he thought it was a good idea to claim miller D1. Millers should not claim. All it does is that it tells the thread that they will give out a red result if checked by a cop. Why would you be a good cop check in the first place if you are town? You should prove you are town by your actions so that there is no reason for anyone to assume you are mafia, and the cops should check suspicious people instead. Claiming miller on D1 is extremely suspicious because it already shows you are afraid of being checked by a cop. If you are a miller, and are checked, so what? Tough luck, then you claim and town will believe you or not. But the place to claim is not the start of D1. This is not a policy lynch, BM's miller claim post is scummy. About Sharrant. Sharrant accuses TRN of things. The case in itself is not scummy and i could see someone seeing TRN's posts in that light, i just don't get the same feeling from TRN's posts. Having played with him on NMXXXIX, i can tell that he has no idea how to act in the start of the game. Here he seems to be trying to figure out things and share his thoughts about stuff he is asked about. Fine, why is Sharrant scummy? - He's discussing the "policy lynch BM" matter but does not reach any kind of a conclusion that points towards this particular situation. - Asks TRN about his last games. It's not TRN's job to find those games to him. It's Sharrant's job to find out TRN's affiliation and TRN wasting time on telling him about his last games is a waste of time that does not help TRN find mafia. Seems like Sharrant is lazy and does not want to find out things on his own. Townies should not do that. Readings not so bad.... | ||
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On April 23 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes and right after: "If it wasn't, he needs to explain this:" You didn't give a shit when you voted him On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place. Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray Note that your vote post cites a lynch all miller claims as a policy for your vote. raynpelikoneet, Do you disagree? This is a 'yes' or 'no' question specifically referencing whether or not you used a policy to justify your initial vote on Bill Murray. | ||
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On April 23 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote: Hopeless, can I ask To me, early game: About me, lately in big post: why first you say my post was null, and then say it puts me on the townier side of things, all the while arguing against the heuristic? You had two posts that were being referenced. The first was that everyone before you was town. That was nonsense and the reckless part I refer to. The flippant response to ShiaoPi gave me a similar vibe to what Palmar cited. My issue with Palmar's post was that it did not seem well thought out and was actively putting on blinders regarding your alignment. He supported his read with some throwaway reasoning and it read as sketchy buddying to me. VE pointed out that it is unlikely to come from Palmar, but that's how I viewed it and wanted to see what was up. As a general feel, I can see how someone might believe that scum are more likely to lurk in their qt at first, but...just no. Not true at all, especially in the way that you used it and in the way that Palmar supported your foolishness. At the end of all this it scarcely matters because Palmar remains on my "look at when he's still alive day 3" list. | ||
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On April 23 2013 02:23 Vivax wrote: Well, what gave me reason for concern was your motivation behind that attack, not if you were right on the heuristic, cause that (and you also questioning somebody else's townread on VE) gave me the impression that your goal in this game is to antagonize townreads, not argue why somebody is scum, which is something you clearly were doing, and doesn't seem like something a townie would feel like doing, since you would be attempting to reduce confusion about people's alignments and persuade others about them, not trying to keep alive the confusion by arguing over townreads. Not sure if it was just bad play, since it could easily be scumplay too. But if you want to do something more useful than stopping others from getting townreads, then point us towards your scumreads please. Yeah, my motivation is that Palmar could have been buddying you and his townread was based on next to nothing. At the moment, i'm waiting to see if rayn can handle a simple yes or no question, but he's my scumread. | ||
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in any case, this should be L-1 on Oats ##Unvote: raynpelikoneet ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On April 23 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Again, worst reasoning ever. Cause im town. Yeah. Hopeless. Why am I scum? I think you're too trolly in the face of dieing to be town. I'm not even certain you have a scum read on anyone at all. You've provided next to nothing. A shitty list post where your strongest scum read is "well someone has to be scum, why not Ace". gtfo. | ||
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On April 25 2013 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar if you at any point flip town in this game and VE is alive i make sure he hangs. you shall have my axe | ||
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On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote: Death Eaters Scum KP is # of scum / 2, rounded down. Scum KP is delivered factionally and cannot be roleblocked. Scum will return normal-looking roles to rolecop checks (ie Scum Vigilante returns Vigilante, Scum Goon returns Vanilla, Scum Framer returns Cop) but with the exception of the Godfather, return Red to DT checks. | ||
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On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: notice how I omitted VE. That's how I feel about him right now. On April 23 2013 00:33 Palmar wrote: lazy ve is scum ve ##Vote VisceraEyes Note the timestamps for reference, he knew what he was doing with that list. However, I agree with VE that Palmar has yet to take hold of the town in any meaningful capacity. | ||
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On April 25 2013 03:47 Sharrant wrote: I'm certainly not sorry for it, I think it bagged us two scum. | ||
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On April 27 2013 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless who is your preferred lynch today? tbh Sharrant until someone can explain how he gets away from his scumread on you, as evidenced from On April 22 2013 13:26 Sharrant wrote: --SNIP-- At this point I am less sure about Rayn being scum than I was then, because his conversations with other players has generally been good since that time, but he's still in my top 3 to lynch. I just haven't decided if there's someone I'd rather lynch more, like say Hopeless. Any more questions? On April 23 2013 00:02 Sharrant wrote: It's a good try, Rayne, but no. Let's get this out of the way quickly because I have to leave, and there's more important things to do when I'm back. The reason I looked into you is because of your chainsaw defense of TRN. That fit exactly what I was looking for, so I went through your filter. I am not trying to lynch you on the merit of you defending TRN, get that through your head. I am going to get you lynched because you are scum. You claim that after posting several times about how miller claims should be a policy lynch, you say that it's not a policy lynch you're pushing on BM. The closest you come to make to a case is "This isn't a miller lynch policy, I'm lynching him because he claimed miller which is scummy" which is exactly the same as saying "No, this isn't a lurker lynch, I'm just lynching because his low activity is scummy". It's just attempting to disguise that you were trying to policy lynch him. The post I voted for you details exactly why I have you as a scum read. The possibility that you were a townie who made some crazy defense on TRN went out the window when I read through your filter. If you can't understand that, I can't help you. Those important things, like not lynching your primary scumread? He doesnt return to 'get things done" until Oats is lynched. Clarity's spiel about 'easy outs' doesnt look that stupid to me considering how Sharrant's read on rayn went into the abyss with no comment at all. He just dropped his read with no explanation that I can find. What gives? There's also what I view as feigned contribution. I realize he's posted way more than I have, but when you post On April 25 2013 01:29 Sharrant wrote: Is there anyone around who feels like chatting? I don't want to put up any large posts until it's just about daybreak (which I think is in about 2 and a half hours if someone could confirm). and then don't drop a wall of text in some regard, it looks like faked activity to me. This is also his first post after insisting he has shit to do upon his return, but I cant find these amazing things he's done. He's focused his attention towards clarity, but clarity barely existed at this point. Where are these "better things" sharrant promised? ##Vote: Sharrant | ||
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/willing to hammer shiaopi Srsly, can someone check on what I've asked about Sharrant? Why is rayn a townread to Sharrant? | ||
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On April 27 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hopeless i kinda stopped looking at Sharrant when he had reasonable answers to my questions to him at the start of D2, that made me think he is town. What do you think of Sylencia / WoS? WoS looks townie enough to me, I havent really analyzed his filter but at a glance I get town vibes. Sylencia does not, but not strongly enough that I want to consider him for a lynch right this minute. | ||
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On April 27 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think anyone but Sharrant can answer that. My opinion is the most biased obviously, as i know i am town. One of my problems now is that he didnt answer it when given the opportunity when I first asked the question just a couple hours ago. Not sure if he's trying to sweep it under the rug now or what, but I cannot reconcile his actions to a town mindset, it just does not add up. Did I completely miss something in his filter that explains this? | ||
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On April 27 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I got the impression that he agreed with a lot of my reads when i posted them on N1. Other than that idk. and yet his previous mention of you was that "I (Shar) am going to get you (rayn) lynched because you are scum". That doesn't bother you that he just dropped it like it was nothing? Where the hell is everyone? | ||
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##Unvote: Sharrant ##Vote: ShiaoPi | ||
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...any who I need to eat my words on sharrant. My main reason in voting shiao was that I didn't trust sharrant. There is no good reason for him to be scum at this point. You don't suicide your vig into a teammate who proceeds to tear you a new one. I agree with most of the proposed big shots. Ie. Sketch bags on shiao's wagon. Unless shiao is ALSO a vig, he really should be considered town. Depending on flips and such, I'd consider him semi confirmed. My personal choices for shots is sylencia and stutters. Obviously don't shoot me (herpderp), and I marginally believe wos. | ||
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On April 28 2013 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have i said you have exaggerated? What do you think of WoS straight out lying about him claiming if being in danger of getting lynched/killed? I think he embellished a tad, that's what I was referring to. I should have been more specific. I can't fathom how scum come to the conclusion that claiming snape is a good idea at this point. KISS = he's telling the truth as depressing as that may be. | ||
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On April 28 2013 10:10 yamato77 wrote: Hopeless, want to talk about your vote on Oats D1 that I pointed out? Looks pretty bad. Yes it does. The epitome of apathy. I policy voted by virtue of troll. | ||
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On April 28 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you give me an exact quote from Ego where WoS claims when he's at L-1 on D1? I won't check, but I'll hazard a guess at no I cannot because he didn't? That's not proof that he's lying now, and if you don't understand the falicy in believing that he's lying about his claim based on his "I always claim" I wonder if you are stuck in a tunnel. | ||
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On April 28 2013 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually considering you have yamato as your #1 lynch target, why not just say the vet you are talking about is Palmar? Or do you think yamato/BC are faking their suspicion against each other? I'm very wary of ace in general and I'm not convinced of any bus shenannies. VE is cleared because I read him as giving a shit, not because of his interactions with yamato. | ||
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On April 28 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think it's possible that Ace decided it's a good idea to let their vigi die and remove 2 KP from their team when he could probably have easily come up with reasons to lynch ShiaoPi over Clarity. No fucking way Ace is mafia. In exchange for infinite towncred? Fuck yeah. I'm not saying that's what I think happened but he's not confirmed in my mind just yet. | ||
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@WoS fuck Rayn's accusations and give town what you've got. If you still get shot you did what you could, right? | ||
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On April 29 2013 21:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Sanity doesnt flip on death. That sucks, lynch shaiopi tomorrow, d2 looks like it was between 2 scum after all. Where did we learn sanity doesn't flip? I don't see it anywhere. | ||
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On April 30 2013 03:22 yamato77 wrote: HOLY FUCK LOOK AT THAT you're so cool yamato. so cool. | ||
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On April 30 2013 03:25 Sharrant wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about this quote. Stutters calling GiygaS "giggles" reads to me as someone who has more familiarity with the thread than Stutters would. It seems more likely a habit that would be picked up from quickly chatting with people in the scum QT to try and figure out what his best move would be. Does anyone else get that vibe, or am I reaching on this? I'm wondering where the conversation about Hopeless1der went. You are making me a little sad that I didn't post my alliteration about Ace's actions and accusations. I got swept underneath the cop claimings and whatnot. I think the best course of action is to verify whether sanity gets flipped and then follow through on CC's claims, pending NK information. | ||
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On April 30 2013 03:26 Sharrant wrote: Do you think it's scummy he's saying that, when you don't know? I don't know if he A) got a PM from a mod, B) got it from a QT somewhere, C) its actually in the thread and I'm blind or D)he's talking out of his ass. Its kind of important to know if the information is in fact available in case we decide to for whatever reason lynch a cop before his claim. | ||
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On April 30 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote: That wasn't an answer. That was a summary of options. Do you think it is scummy that he is claiming knowledge not readily available in the thread? Uhhhhh yes? | ||
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On April 30 2013 03:37 Sharrant wrote: Ah, that makes sense. Very well, then. And what is it that makes that scummy to you? I see it much more likely being a town tell. There's the possibility a mafia could make that post, but it seems much more likely to come from town in my opinion. I don't have the information. He seems to have it and I want to know how he has it. It helps to decide how I want to follow the cop claim chains or if I just want to say fuck it and scumhunt like a normal person. If you think its a towntell, enlighten me. I cannot tell what the fuck you want from me here. | ||
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On April 30 2013 04:26 yamato77 wrote: Mr. CC confirmed telling truth. No reason to be suspicious that he asked a question about his own role to the host. hopeless=mafia coolstorybro | ||
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On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK so as I have been thinking recently. We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. I pretty much agree with all of this, except ShiaoPi could have been framed so its not 100%. Nevertheless, the correct move is to lynch him right now. ##Vote:ShiaoPi | ||
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On April 30 2013 22:40 Bill Murray wrote: ...you mean sane? i'm not going to rely on ___ is town or ___ is scum based upon checks until I see some/a flip(s) On April 29 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hell. I didn't want to claim but fuck I guess I have to now that Palmar is being retarded if he really is another cop. I'm an Alignment Cop NIGHT 1 = SHIAOPI INNOCENT NIGHT 2 = SYLENCIA GUILTY I wanted to lynch ShaioPi yesterday because I didn't know his alignment despite my check. It would help confirm my sanity. I now know that I cannot be paranoid or naiive, so I'm sane or insane. I'm going to trust Shia is town based on yesterdays events. I am SANE. Sylencia is mafia. I didn't think I'd have to claim today if I could just case Syl T.T On April 29 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote: Night 3 Sylencia the Brave Wizard is dead Night 3 lasts for 24 hours from this post. gogo. Most likely conclusion: Mr.CC was insane. Alternatives: Framer problems. I don't think naivety/paranoia can result in two different checks regardless of framing, millers etc. | ||
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On April 30 2013 22:44 TheRavensName wrote: So random question, if there is only 1 scum, based off the front page does that mean they get 0 kp? Because it doesn't say minimum of one. If so, then we can defently figure out if we have a sk or not. I tentatively accuse Ace of being SP. | ||
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On May 01 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote: you dont say? Lets kill yamato too while we are at it so you're calling three scum, two 3rd parties and a Planar Dragon in there somewhere? | ||
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On May 01 2013 16:01 GiygaS wrote: I wonder how many times Hopeless has seen that joke. That is a pretty damn good case on the dude though. Page 80: MUST KEEP GOING. I aint even mad  Decent work Yamato. It only took you a year to finally put it together. I find it very alarming that no one else has taken the time to actually sit down and explain why i'm scummy up until now, and sadly there arent enough scum remaining for me to accuse the sheep. I'm hoping VE clears me somehow, not that anyone will believe it. | ||
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On May 02 2013 00:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Yamato the Hopeless case is sound. That wasn't so hard was it?  its still false, but I dont disagree... | ||
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- Eager to look active by declaring Vivax town for a really stupid reason. I've been through this before, as noted by why most people accused me of being scum in the first place. - pointing out "modkillable" behavior but neglecting to follow through in any form: (from VE's filter) + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? - case of the cba, even now in the face of the next point: - Unverified cop claim, which is now thought to be "paranoid". Grats on trying to get BC lynched for no good reason. - he's alive (so are Ace and BC, but Palmar looks worst of the vets) I'm going to try to filter through all the players remaining and read dump tonight/tomorrow morning, so try not to hammer me before I do that please and thank you. | ||
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On May 02 2013 10:40 yamato77 wrote: VE is wrong. It happens, you know. I kinda want to say fuck it and watch town burn for this. | ||
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On May 02 2013 11:05 kushm4sta wrote: hmm scummy response from hopeless I would say. Feeling even more confident about his lynch atm. kush i expect nothing less from you, but still you manage to achieve a new level of excellence. | ||
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On May 02 2013 11:07 yamato77 wrote: You don't look town. I never said I looked town. | ||
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On May 02 2013 11:09 yamato77 wrote: Then how do you expect me to believe that you're town? because i said so, duh... | ||
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On May 02 2013 11:12 yamato77 wrote: Definitely mafia Hopeless. hold your horses im reading filters right now. | ||
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Overall have him as town. A bit in this quote i like + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote: lol this is a terrible reason for not thinking I'm scum but whatever. CC because of his scumread on Geript; especially since it was before the 'mod-confirmed' horseshit, I want to see if he changes his mind. Kush for similar reasons since he threw a vote on geript as well right before the 'confirmation' and right after agreed that this confirms geript as town without removing his vote. Want to gain some insight into his thoughts processes as well regarding his townreads. Reading carefully and noting something that seems wrong/stupid. Town points from me. Looks like he was suspicious of buddying to me. I dont think mafia would target amongst themselves like WoS picked ShiaoPi out at the end of this quote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't say VE is scum. I said an inactive VE is often scum. but I was thankful that he has started posting more because that probably means he's NOT scum and fits with my townread. Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that. There is also his miller claim. I went through it already hereish and a bit more in that area of the thread. Ultimately I see it as a townie claiming. Bill Murray One of the first to call out Clarity. Kind of flipflops a bit but pulls through in the end. Also, Clarity with the rage On April 24 2013 07:35 Bill Murray wrote: not only am i reading them, but i'm reading them in context. notice how i posted MY post on you ELEVEN minutes after? Yeah... I didn't even get to read a page in that time.... and I'm a fast reader In spite of this, I have BM as slightly scummy. He never actually follows through on voting Sharrant like he said he would just above that flip-flop post I linked above. (in thread) Going though his filter he jumps to kush-ve scumteam, with clarity as a LAL target and giggles for "parrotting", which is what he accused WoS and CC of in his flipflop dilemma. He goes on to associate case / omgus rayn with his kush read + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 06:45 Bill Murray wrote: yo anyone remember this post? all i said was "sheverus shnape" i didnt claim ANYTHING town vivax is wanting to question me scum rayn is wanting to push a mislynch on a vet FoS rayn attacks vivax when i dont need an out due to the wording, hell, the LETTERING being an obvious joke...... trying to make an associative tell and chainlynch on d1.... scummy scummy scum this interaction with another scumspect of mine, kush, makes him look awful im saying kush, rayn, and WoS are maf how many are left? brb once i find if WoS chimed in on this Later on, he drop this list where he no longer is so strongly against kush/rayn, but nevertheless... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 07:17 Bill Murray wrote: Town regime: Bill Murray Ace Palmar BloodyCobbler Sharrant Probably town, not 100% in order: Grush57 Mr. Cheesecake TheRavensName Artanis[Xp] getmoript ObviousOne Grush57 Policy lynches: Yamato77 Hopeless1der Stutters695 ShiaoPi GiygaS Scum in here: raynpelikoneet Kushm4sta Sylencia VisceraEyes WaveofShadow I want to leave rayn for now. I also want to leave kush. I want to lynch VE, Sylencia, or WoS... preferably VE or WoS, as Sylencia is more of a gutread His reads are so volatile, and they also have 3 flipped townies (and what I believe to be another 2) in the "scum-in-here" section. Not liking that at all. He could very well just be wrong as all hell (so could I about kush/WoS), but I find that list of his really sketchy. Lastly, there's the issue of his activity, but who am I to talk, right? Stutters On the basis of primarily this exchange, I have stutters as town for the moment. On April 30 2013 03:41 Stutters695 wrote: You hammered Oats when he was sitting at L-1 for fifteen minutes. Of fucking course he didn't have time to contribute more. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt considering you hammered a townie WHO YOU NEVER HAD A SCUMREAD ON but if you're just going to dodge answering I'll await your flip. Other than this, his filter is even shorter than mine and this was the most alignment indicative thing to me. kushm4sta + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2013 08:14 yamato77 wrote: Question: Has Kush suspected any of the mafia we have flipped this game? If yes, he is mafia. If no, we can ignore him. I cba to look at his filter. I checked, we can ignore him. Proof On April 30 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: I will not vote for shiaopi or cc ever. I think they are both town. In all seriousness, I had kush as town from when he pulled this gem: On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. and the resulting conclusions that he drew from it. He refused to acknowledge that his reasoning was not town-exclusive in a way that only kush can be oblivious. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote: No, why would their role pm be different from town? Also sample role pms are in the OP IIRC Please dont let this become the flavor thing from that game. Game in question was Acme Mini Mafia where kush thought he was sandroba and could solve the game with flavor claims Also that thing yamato cited where kush busses all the time is something i believe, so thats another point for town-kush. Hats will be eaten in the event I am wrong on this one. (Not Red) "Modconfirmed" not scum. Possibly 3rd party, but I'm leaning town due to my read on Ace and the lack of NK's. I guess survivor is possible, but there's no reason to go after him, so leave him be imo. ObviousOne On April 29 2013 11:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Well if we lynch Syl: Flips town ----> Shaio confirmed scum, OO confirmed town Flips scum ---> OO confirmed scum, shaio confirmed town And one of us gets a check in the end. I fully believe this. I'm not reading OO's filter to discern his alignment at this point. If I'm still alive in the morning I'll probably give it a whirl to be on the safe side TheRavensName Most recent points against Palmar to me show well thought out reasoning as to why his mason role should be a pro-town entity and Palmar's actions are scummy. On April 22 2013 23:38 TheRavensName wrote: Rayn your righyt and I want to apologize, that was jarjar and rainbows who said that. I apparently need to pretend that game never happened because I,m still not sure I know lol. Please don't use this crucify me again all day 1 for it even if its more fitting this time. I feel scum would have verified their accusation, to prevent this kind of backtracking from being necessary. A decent amount of his thoughts on Sharrant and WoS were in line with rayn, but not in a buddying or forced way to me. Looks natural. On April 29 2013 06:01 TheRavensName wrote: I tried a few imes to breadcrumb. That one just looked the best. Truth be told, I think the host should have written his text different. Hes the only one that is by his name, not his character. Kinda soft confirms another cedric. This really looks like a 2nd Cedric questioning the FLAVOR of the flip post. Massive towncred to TRN. gratz. Ace - Serial Poisoner On the basis of night-action analysis I believe ace is the serial poisoner. It lines up with there being 2 NK's the 2nd night and no further NK's since Ace has been roleblocked from N2 onwards it would seem. Unless a townie was responsible for grush's death, I consider it a 3rd party shot and given that they are COMPULSIVE, Ace makes the most sense in this situation. I'm tired and want to go to sleep. GiygaS, Artanis, Sharrant, Palmar and BC to follow tomorrow. I am debating whether to do yamato or not due to omgus bias. 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On May 02 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I just skimmed through your post and just from what I see here it doesn't look good. You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today. Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO? We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at. Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction. i literally went in order of the signup list. Also ace is there already. Finally, if/when i flip town you can suck a dick. I told you I'd get to them tomorrow and I damn well will. Do you disagree with my townreads? If so, why? Process of elimination is a valid scumhunting method especially with a minimum of 4 mislynches available. Anyways I'm going to bed. Night. | ||
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On May 02 2013 21:28 TheRavensName wrote: WAit, I was pushing for the idea of him as 3rd party and only backed off when people said we don't have any real proof! Why the fuck lynch me if he flips SP? Especially when you yourself called me town, you know thats a mislynch. Because it doubles our remaining mislynches so we can afford to off you out of spite | ||
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On May 02 2013 21:33 TheRavensName wrote: You know, perhaps threatening to lynch people for stupid reasons isn't a good idea when your at L-3. Theoretically L-2 with WoS' vote-in-spirit | ||
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On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: My thoughts upon reading the thread: - VE: is a complete null read for me except for kush's idea of a mafia not thinking to post what he did first. Leaning town for that reason. I'm not behind the current votes for VE. - ShiaoPi: This means nothing about his scumminess/innocence, but this may be why he's so inactive: Anyway, he started off wonderfully by saying practically nothing about the 3 people he's asked about. Then accuses Sharrant, who seems to be target #1 for both main suspects at the moment (I'm not counting VE cause I think it's a stupid lynch). He proceeds to hammer Oats for "being silly", when it would have been sound to wait for the hammer, so we could at the very least get more info out of Oats before he got lynched. And now he's sort of gone. From what we've seen so far, I'm gonna say he's scum. - Clarity: I'd like to point out this: This was one of Clarity's point's on Sharrant. At the time, Yamato and Oats were the top two candidates for the lynch. This isn't just reaching so that the post looks larger, this is straight up wrong, and was something that Sharrant was actually doing properly. The other thing about him was that he supposedly lied about when he was catching up with the thread and was too quick reading. I don't think this really makes him particularly scummy, and a town or mafia could do the exact same thing. Leaning Scummy for others' reasons as well as that top post, but not for his "record-setting reading prowess". Scummy, but not as much as ShiaoPi. - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. He's just so goddamn right it gives me chills. He waffles a bit between scum(a) and scum (b) when there was reasonable suspicion to be had in pursuing WoS. Instead we get On April 27 2013 07:57 GiygaS wrote: WoS: To be honest, I was sort of sheeping CC, and Rayne. Most of my reads are the same, and so I thought the case on WoS must have been solid. It's not. It's basically he's blending and not providing reads D1. Guess what, that's changed today, and I'm switching my read on him from mafia to town. Promises a re-read, does it, changes his outlook. I see him giving thoughts freely in his filter despite lowish activity. I hope he finds more time for the game but I'd say hes town. Artanis[Xp] On April 24 2013 06:57 tube wrote: Where's drazak? Inactivity should be pushed. Tube looking for an easy target. On April 28 2013 06:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ah, I missed the warning for Tube in the daypost. I thought he didn't get a warning, nevermind then. Looked sincere. His self-proclaimed apathy for replacing in and not catching up is a point for being Null. I dont see that as something to lie about or try to hide behind. Cutting that aspect of his game out and of course reading his epic case on BC, Artanis is strongly town to me by virtue of tube association. Sharrant Strongest points for townie - Destroyed mafia vigilante - Strong activity early on. Strongest points for mafia - He's disappeared from active discussion of late. I'm attributing this to cop claim stress. I feel like hes wrong on a massive portion of his filter, but not in a scummy way because his reasoning is laid out in most cases. Palmar vs BC On May 02 2013 07:04 Hopeless1der wrote: Reasons palmar is likely to flip red in my eyes: - Eager to look active by declaring Vivax town for a really stupid reason. I've been through this before, as noted by why most people accused me of being scum in the first place. - pointing out "modkillable" behavior but neglecting to follow through in any form: (from VE's filter) + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway) But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following? - case of the cba, even now in the face of the next point: - Unverified cop claim, which is now thought to be "paranoid". 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In case I die, my tl;dr Ace - Serial Poisoner I'm confident at least 1 scum lies within BC, BM and Palmar. I'd probably lynch in that order right now. If thats not game over, I'd consider looking into Sharrant, TRN and Yamato next. ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler On May 02 2013 11:49 Ace wrote: hopeless claim before hammer I am but one of the simple wizard people, dear reader. I would not personally believe myself to be "Brave" and yet that is the title that was bestowed upon me by the great and all powerful Blazinghand. | ||
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On May 03 2013 00:53 yamato77 wrote: Then unless there's a second scum vigilante, Ace is SP. yeah but if we have a jk he can wait | ||
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On May 03 2013 04:34 yamato77 wrote: Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game? Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm | ||
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On May 03 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote: Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid. which means you lynch ace when the jailer dies, its not rocket science. | ||
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On May 03 2013 05:03 Palmar wrote: I didn't promise a case. I just said I wanted to get my thoughts out before I died. I cba if you're actually not going to kill me. Gonna play some dota instead. also it's scummy to think I'm scum at this point. What the fuck is this i dont even.. More random shit for why Palmar is scum. From my reading of WoS' filter: On April 27 2013 07:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Lazy town could very well answer that question, which is think the best overall countercase to Shiao's scumminess thus far, but it's not enough to convince me. Would be nice to hear more from Shiao himself or again, Clarity. Furthermore, he wants us to On May 03 2013 05:04 Palmar wrote: also, assuming ace is 3p, can someone like explain to me why it's a bad idea to just lynch him so the JK is free to try to counter the mafia nightkill? This is straight up wrong, to the point that I want to flip Palmar before anyone else now. | ||
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On May 03 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: I've answered this before, but as Sharrant seems to advocate, 'patience and repetition.' I find Hopeless scummier and want him dead today. I am not as sure of BC being a good lynch as I am of Hopeless. well then you're bad at this game. grats. P.S. I was the only person to believe your miller claim because I actually apply critical thinking to the context of things. The fact that you still think I'm scum is astounding. | ||
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On May 03 2013 06:30 kushm4sta wrote: yamatooo whyyyy the lynch is so close?? are you doubting hopeless scum? kush don't kid yourself you never believed i was scum to begin with Also, ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On May 03 2013 06:32 kushm4sta wrote: um i believed you were scum from the beginning of the game. then I forgot because I stopped paying attention for a little bit. Now I've remembered. remember these words? SO WISE you didnt believe that then and you dont believe it now. | ||
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On May 03 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Hopeless you want Palmar lynched today? How exactly do you plan on making that happen? haha you're funny. Me get something done. Where's Ace with some primo meme's when I need him. Lynch whoever the fuck, my votes parked on BC unless I get to hammer someone that isnt me | ||
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On May 03 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Don't be facetious; you know exactly what I meant. That information is completely irrelevant at a point in time where we're trying to figure out who to lynch for the dayn and BM hasn't been around in 60 hours. Probably gonna get modkilled too. [image blocked] | ||
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On May 03 2013 05:04 Palmar wrote: also, assuming ace is 3p, can someone like explain to me why it's a bad idea to just lynch him so the JK is free to try to counter the mafia nightkill? I was completely wrong in my initial reaction to this. We're going to have to lynch Ace at some point, right? Unless you think Mafia are going to be doing us any favors it is in our best interest to lynch Ace right the fuck now. Mafia KP is already as low as it will be until the end of the game. We also can't kill 2 mafia in one night, thereby removing mafia factional KP. Therefore it is most beneficial to town to remove the 3P ASAP and attempt to WIFOM the factional KP with our jailkeeper. ##Unvote: BloodyC0bbler ##Vote: Ace | ||
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On May 03 2013 08:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Lynching Ace is dumb as long as we can roleblock him. We can't roleblock scum KP, we can roleblock poisoner KP so we'd have no use for the JK power anyway once Ace is dead. He's no threat to us until then. Lynch Hopeless or BC. I prefer BC because Hopeless is nice and BC doesn't give a shit. Calls me confirmed scum then fucks off after a short back and forth. Calls my case shit when his case on Yamato was far shittier. Never bothers to actually do anything other than defend himself and throw some mild accusations around with no conviction. Pls lynch. We can protect townies with the Jailer. Lynch Ace: Theoretically PERFECT game by both blocking the shot and lynching scum twice in a row Don't Lynch Ace, Jail him instead Guaranteed town deaths. | ||
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On May 03 2013 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually the JK could possibly protect town and get us extra days, hmm. I thought the same as you at first, it clicked so when I posted "Palmar was right" (all along?). | ||
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On May 03 2013 23:07 Sharrant wrote: How can you be so bad at reading? How many times have I explained it now. If scum have a second vigi they fired it on night 2. It would look exactly like Ace was the serial poisoner. HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS BEEN SAID? Honestly, it's so frustrating. Lynching Ace right now gives the mafia an extra kill that we only have a chance to block, this isn't including things like a jail keeper may jail a doctor if we have one which means we potentially waste a lynch AND gain nothing for it. I want to lynch Hopeless, and then if he flips red, you hang next. That should be all the mafia, then Ace can die. If Hopeless isn't mafia, I'll look into everyone else again, but you're defending him by pushing the lynch off of him, giving mafia an extra night's worth of kills. That's why I ninja voted Hopeless. If you're not mafia, Hopeless, I'm sorry. But Artanis is doing a good job of making you look like you are. I can't blame you entirely because I believed it was better to hold off on Ace at first, but it is the most beneficial to town to kill him off ASAP. Get your shit together. | ||
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On May 03 2013 23:58 Stutters695 wrote: Looking at it objectively. We're 5 lynches from LYLO and in those 5 lynches we must hit at least 1 scum (assuming ace is sp). If at any point the jk gets nk'd we must instantly lynch ace to keep LYLO timing on our side. Planning worst case it seems much better to get ace out of the way since he will tie up a lynch regardless but unless the jk makes 2 successful saves it doesn't affect our lynch count anyway. I'm surprised this push on ace happened without really mapping it out. If you kill Ace now, the JK has the potential to protect townies 100% the rest of the game. Leaving Ace alive GUARANTEES town deaths (2nd doc/jk notwithstanding) | ||
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but "BC's play was similar". Whatever....honestly I'd rather BC had said nothing and watched what stutters followed up with. As to that supposed TRN case I'm supposed to make, I stand by my filter dump portion: TheRavensName Most recent points against Palmar to me show well thought out reasoning as to why his mason role should be a pro-town entity and Palmar's actions are scummy. I feel scum would have verified their accusation, to prevent this kind of backtracking from being necessary. A decent amount of his thoughts on Sharrant and WoS were in line with rayn, but not in a buddying or forced way to me. Looks natural. This really looks like a 2nd Cedric questioning the FLAVOR of the flip post. Massive towncred to TRN. gratz. My reads are still thus: I'm confident at least 1 scum lies within BC, BM and Palmar. I'd probably lynch in that order right now. If thats not game over, I'd consider looking into Sharrant, TRN and Yamato next. Still probably in that order. | ||
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On May 04 2013 09:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is there anyone that still thinks Hopeless is town?  | ||
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I'm town you jerkface. On May 04 2013 09:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How about you do what Palmar and I are doing? You know, trying to solve the game before we die. Cause he and I are both operating on the we get noosed. How about you do the same and work with us? I did this before it was cool. Its fine though. 12-2 right now, assuming 2 mafia and no remaining 3rd party. At the very least I feel safe assuming 1KP per night Upon day post: 11-2 Assuming fail-town / the purging, through successive nights we'll have Lynch+NK =9-2 Lynch+NK =7-2 Lynch+NK =5-2 Lynch+NK =3-2 i.e. 4 mislynches until LYLO Supposing Palmar/BC get their shit together and at least one of them is town, I have no problem taking up a cell in Azkaban. | ||
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I'm confident at least 1 scum lies within BC, BM and Palmar. I'd probably lynch in that order right now. If thats not game over, I'd consider looking into Sharrant, TRN and Yamato next. ##Vote: BloddyC0bbler For the record, do you honestly think there was a way out of Palmar's proposed 1-2 punch other than "well gosh that sounds swell"... /afk | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hopeless, is there anything you still want to say this cycle? If you are in fact town it'll be nice to have your updated reads. Anything new since your last read post? I find giggles' lack of followup on his promised reads disconcerting. Palmar/BC dont seem to have covered him either... On May 04 2013 08:03 GiygaS wrote: Jesus, BC, Palmar and BM when they work together is scary good. I still think all of you are town for your pushes on Clarity on Day/Night 1. I agree with most of your guys' thoughts, and think that Hopeless should be tomorrow's lynch as well. This is really sheepy and unsubstantial. Aside from that my reads havent changed, and giggles is only a blip on my radar now. If I haven't convinced anyone I'm town, I'm not going to start now. I continue to stand by my lynch order as previously stated. | ||
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What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions. | ||
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On May 07 2013 02:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It might just be that Hopeless has given up and given permission to the other scum to bus him. He did sound fairly defeatist earlier. I'm more convinced at this point I'm a greater benefit to town dead than alive. There's too much bullshit reasoning right now. Once people realize they need to rethink their stance on a lot of things, I'd hope it clears up a lot of things. With Palmar/BC set to potentially resolve itself (pending JK assistance and NK information) the town is going to need to play an effectively town-favored vanilla game. By my count its likely to be 11 town v 2 scum or 10 town v 2 scum v 1 3rd Party Once we mislynch (its practically inevitable at this point...) we'll be playing a normal mini. @Yamato's read post, there's this excerpt: BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. I'm hoping thats based on his supposed roleblocker read/breadcrumbs or something to that effect because otherwise I'd lynch Yamato for this read. @Jailkeeper, I suggest claiming at the deadline for the daypost with your targets in the event that you are killed during this coming Night. I am of the opinion that the information is more valuable than your life at this point. Confirming one of BC/Palmar and shedding some light on how accurate yamato's reads are could potentially end the game. Also DO NOT block Palmar since he needs to use his check, duh. P.S. my vote remains on BC. See Artanis' case and Palmar's comments on the night ping-pong discussions. | ||
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On May 07 2013 09:01 yamato77 wrote: Regardless, we're lynching Palmar today. I thought we were lynching me. Didn't I just claim scum? | ||
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On April 30 2013 04:44 Palmar wrote: giggles is really sticking, I'm a fan. | ||
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Instead of attempting to critically analyze that post, giggles reduced it to OMGUS from Palmar and also gives no second thoughts to his "#2" (to me) scum read (ie Yamato) nor to thread sentiment. He's still running on a fuck it, lynch Hopeless agenda. Scummy as shit. I seriously think giggles+yamato make sense. The main post I made my town read on giygas from could very well have been scum blatantly flaunting knowledge that we aren't supposed to have as town. Assuming scum shot Ace N1 and it further fits that. Id need to confirm timing but that assumption may also support yamato's push that ace was 3P - they shot him and he didnt claim it ergo 3P. I need to go to bed and won't be around until 15ish hours from now at the earliest. Feel free to lynch me (or yamato) so the town can get some wind back in its sails on where to go next. | ||
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On May 06 2013 11:24 GiygaS wrote: Ugh, I'm not 100% sure of Yamato right now, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My read right now is that say we lynch Hopeless today. If he flips scum, I've got a big town read on Yamato. If he flips town, I think Yamato should be the next lynch. Kush is acting really strange about this read too, as he was obviously initially convinced it was mildly scummy (he was the one that initially pointed it out). Like here: Why has he suddenly pulled a 180 saying the quote is too scummy to be actual scum? It doesn't add up. On May 07 2013 09:23 GiygaS wrote: THIS. Palmar's entire case on Yamato seems to be that he made some reaching town reads on that list, and that he's flippy floppy on kush. Meanwhile, Yamato is completely set on the fact that one of BC and Palmar just HAS TO BE SCUM, IT JUST HAS TO. I'm going with Hopeless, and I'm not going to switch my vote to either Yamato or Palmar until there is an actually convincing case against them, or if one (or both) make a scumslip. ##Vote Hopeless1der Giggles setting up mislynches based strictly on association (Me/Yamato). I call this scum tactics. Lynch him (after me?) | ||
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On May 09 2013 22:36 TheRavensName wrote: Quick question, after the modkill... how many mislynches do we get? probably 8v2 right now. Lynch=7v2 NK=6v2 Lynch=5v2 NK=4v2 **MYLO** (No-Lynch?) NK=3v2 LYLO I'm getting 2 Mislynches and a potential No-Lynch at MYLO if anyone wishes to confirm. May we vote for a No-Lynch? | ||
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On May 09 2013 22:54 GiygaS wrote: So because I wasn't sure about Yamato (following context this is when I saw the post that defended Clarity and ShiaoPi in the same post), I'm setting up mislynches? For that logic to even work, you'd have to be town, which is false. Yesterday, I wanted to see you flip. Today, I want to see you flip. First: + Show Spoiler + No U Second: + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2013 21:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Giggles setting up mislynches based strictly on association (Me/Yamato). I call this scum tactics. Lynch him (after me?) Anyways...##Vote: GiygaS | ||
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@WoS my access is kind of limited to hotspots, I'm visiting my brother in the US. However I'd gladly try to have a chat. | ||
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On May 10 2013 01:54 kushm4sta wrote: lol hopeless i figured out you were scum in the first few hours of the game remember? thats not a fucking answer kush. It's also wrong. What further reasoning do you have? | ||
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On May 09 2013 23:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and Hopeless, the association reads that GiygaS is making are bad, though I don't necessarily see them as scummy. What I DON'T like is his avoidance of the main issue of the day, being Palmar. This looks a LOT like distancing, Gigs. What gives? Especially since there was a SHIT TON of info on yamato and Palmar; you just seem to wilfully ignore it. My problem with the association read is that he says 1 of me and yamato essentially must be scum, but I 100% know hes wrong (since yamato flipped). If you think I'm town, or want to flip me first to confirm then by all means. But once my alignment is secured, giygas' actions look real scummy to me. | ||
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On May 10 2013 02:26 kushm4sta wrote: I have seen hopeless scum in other games. He is very good at towning it up when he's about to get lynched. What the fuck? I got lynched for not towning it up in acme, another game where you tried to game the setup (fake claiming/ VT names being inanimate objects) and as scum i explicitly told you that you were wrong to use that reasoning(we had fake claims). The same way your read on VE, while correct, was based on flawed logic. @WoS I need to check through his filter properly but hes just been wishywashy about lynching between me and yamato and then yesterday shows up to plop his terrible vote onto me so hes not as implicated on the mislynch of yamato. His filter says he was torn between me and yamato but his actions dont quite agree to me. | ||
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On May 10 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote: You're trying to 'resist' the analysis? What does that even mean? You don't want to being it to the thread for fear of derailing a lynch? You don't want to analyze me? If you did all sorts of work with Sharrant why not help the fucking town with it? I really don't understand your motivation here. its like the fucking popcorn incident all over again....I'm at my laptop for probably an hour or so if anyone wants to chat. Reading through Giygas and general votecount things while I'm here. | ||
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ctrl+f: cedric Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago. | ||
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When he puts his vote on Ace initially, it was for the switch from "anti" to "pro" town, which drew this exchange with rayn (read the spoilers for some context): On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote: Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic. On April 26 2013 03:16 GiygaS wrote: It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection, Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play. Not a contradiction per se, but scummy nonetheless in my opinion. On April 26 2013 09:49 GiygaS wrote: Palmar: - Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote: List of probably town: Bill Murray getmoript (QT thing) Vivax slot machine dude hopeless list of maybe town: Ace grush cheesecake kush Sylencia TheRavensName list of who knows: WaveofShadow Tube Drazak Clarity_nl Sharrant Yamato77 ShiaoPi list of bloodycobblers: BloodyCobbler list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing): DoctorHelvetica ObviousOne Oatsmaster giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me )- Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer(1), and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation.(2) - Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive) (1) Palmar wasn't the hammer (2) This "joke" came up pretty goddamn early in the thread. All the justification Palmar ever had for his Oats vote was here:+ Show Spoiler + On April 21 2013 20:00 Palmar wrote: There are two ways of looking at your post. First option is that you're town and legitimately think I'm scum. The second is you're scum and know I'm town and thus want to discredit me. Since you didn't present any arguments to back up your conclusion, I am inclined to think you must be scum. So until you present a believable motivation for your accusations... ##vote Oatsmaster GiygaS twists the following post to serve his scumread while ignoring what I just quoted: On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote: I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats. Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum. This analysis of Palmar from GiygaS is lackluster and neglects to tell us whether his read is town or scum until later: On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote: Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi But wait, pop over to his filter and just skim a couple posts from that last one. He goes from Ace/Shiao to clarity and shortly thereafter has completely dropped Palmar. I'll concede I fucked this up already with Sharrant and his read on Rayn, but I still find the way his reads seem to conform to the thread sentiment to be scummy. If he is scum, it looks horrible to back off of a scumread when that player flips scum. By process of elimination my top 3 scumreads are GiygaS, Palmar and BC, so my reads are liable to be confirmation biased. I'm trying to spin the most convincing story that makes my target out to be scum and determine what seems most likely. I'm headed out now so I'll finish up my bias read when I'm back tonight. Also I got diddly from vote-count analysis so far. I blazed through Day 1 and nothing jumped out at me, considering the lynch came down to two townies. I guess you could say kush is useless as usual but I really do think he's town so I disregarded that aspect of things. Random BC speculation-like thoughts: + Show Spoiler + Artanis' case on BC is sitting in the back of my mind. I can follow where the logic in the roleblocking "clears" him. However, I am almost 100% certain I've seen a scumteam withhold a block for towncred and also BC is a decent target for 3P to take out early to keep themselves safe, assuming scum shoot at Palmar/Ace first. This is N1 speculation, not considering Ace was 3P. | ||
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On May 11 2013 00:08 kushm4sta wrote: This is a wifom bomb. It doesn't make sense for town to say this, because town knows that being town doesn't make your reads right. yeah so why does yamato's opinion on giggles make him town to Palmar? This argument goes both ways and is thoroughly inconclusive. By your logic we should be lynching Palmar, right kush? | ||
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Artanis: go for it. I'll vote with the RNG. | ||
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