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On April 30 2013 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 03:26 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 29 2013 21:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sanity doesnt flip on death.
That sucks, lynch shaiopi tomorrow, d2 looks like it was between 2 scum after all. Where did we learn sanity doesn't flip? I don't see it anywhere. Do you think it's scummy he's saying that, when you don't know? I don't know if he A) got a PM from a mod, B) got it from a QT somewhere, C) its actually in the thread and I'm blind or D)he's talking out of his ass. Its kind of important to know if the information is in fact available in case we decide to for whatever reason lynch a cop before his claim.
That wasn't an answer. That was a summary of options. Do you think it is scummy that he is claiming knowledge not readily available in the thread?
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On April 30 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 03:25 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:
As I've said, I'm in the midst of finals and replacing in was really a mistake. Yet despite that, in my minute filter I've already said more than Shiao. Haven't really looked at giggles. I'm not sure how I feel about this quote. Stutters calling GiygaS "giggles" reads to me as someone who has more familiarity with the thread than Stutters would. It seems more likely a habit that would be picked up from quickly chatting with people in the scum QT to try and figure out what his best move would be. Does anyone else get that vibe, or am I reaching on this? . I called him giggleS recently, and I believe that post was in response to something I said.
Ah, that makes sense. Very well, then.
On April 30 2013 03:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 30 2013 03:26 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 29 2013 21:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sanity doesnt flip on death.
That sucks, lynch shaiopi tomorrow, d2 looks like it was between 2 scum after all. Where did we learn sanity doesn't flip? I don't see it anywhere. Do you think it's scummy he's saying that, when you don't know? I don't know if he A) got a PM from a mod, B) got it from a QT somewhere, C) its actually in the thread and I'm blind or D)he's talking out of his ass. Its kind of important to know if the information is in fact available in case we decide to for whatever reason lynch a cop before his claim. That wasn't an answer. That was a summary of options. Do you think it is scummy that he is claiming knowledge not readily available in the thread? Uhhhhh yes?
And what is it that makes that scummy to you? I see it much more likely being a town tell. There's the possibility a mafia could make that post, but it seems much more likely to come from town in my opinion.
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On April 30 2013 03:40 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 03:37 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 03:25 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:
As I've said, I'm in the midst of finals and replacing in was really a mistake. Yet despite that, in my minute filter I've already said more than Shiao. Haven't really looked at giggles. I'm not sure how I feel about this quote. Stutters calling GiygaS "giggles" reads to me as someone who has more familiarity with the thread than Stutters would. It seems more likely a habit that would be picked up from quickly chatting with people in the scum QT to try and figure out what his best move would be. Does anyone else get that vibe, or am I reaching on this? . I called him giggleS recently, and I believe that post was in response to something I said. Ah, that makes sense. Very well, then. On April 30 2013 03:34 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 30 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 30 2013 03:26 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 03:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 29 2013 21:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sanity doesnt flip on death.
That sucks, lynch shaiopi tomorrow, d2 looks like it was between 2 scum after all. Where did we learn sanity doesn't flip? I don't see it anywhere. Do you think it's scummy he's saying that, when you don't know? I don't know if he A) got a PM from a mod, B) got it from a QT somewhere, C) its actually in the thread and I'm blind or D)he's talking out of his ass. Its kind of important to know if the information is in fact available in case we decide to for whatever reason lynch a cop before his claim. That wasn't an answer. That was a summary of options. Do you think it is scummy that he is claiming knowledge not readily available in the thread? Uhhhhh yes? And what is it that makes that scummy to you? I see it much more likely being a town tell. There's the possibility a mafia could make that post, but it seems much more likely to come from town in my opinion. I don't have the information. He seems to have it and I want to know how he has it. It helps to decide how I want to follow the cop claim chains or if I just want to say fuck it and scumhunt like a normal person. If you think its a towntell, enlighten me. I cannot tell what the fuck you want from me here.
Assuming the information is accurate (which I haven't verified), it reads as very townie to me because it's an important part of his role. His reaction to people wanting to lynch him to verify his claims, seems to first be to check if it would actually verify what he is saying. He's so casual about the fact that it wouldn't, and seems genuinely dissapointed and frustrated by the actions in and around his claim.
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On April 30 2013 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On April 30 2013 05:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yamato, I suggest you do something to make yourself feel better.
Have you come up with a good name for Grimes yet? And you.......you. What the fuck are YOU doing? I missed out on the fun when 3 people claimed cop which I'm very sad about so I'm making up for lost time.
Seriously, I've been holding off on calling you out on it just to see how far you'd continue. You're far too interested in funny variations of GiygaS' name, and absolutely not interested in doing anything constructive. I'd feel great about someone shooting you tonight.
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On April 30 2013 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sharrant, case in point...someone who deserves more attention than they're getting: ArtanisXP
I had Hopeless in mind when I asked that, but both of them really fit the bill at this point.
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On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys?
I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims.
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On April 30 2013 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I love how you're misdirecting right now and calling me names rather than address the points I'm bringing up.
It's obvious that I'm referring to your specific derailing of the Shiao lynch to get Clarity, a likely modkill, lynched, not the fact that you killed one of possibly 2 scum. Killing scum is great, but it's HOW you went about it that worries me.
He also has not shied away from lynching ShiaoPi as well. I doubt even the scum team would have had the knowledge that ShiaoPi was not going to get mod killed either because of his schedule (assuming he's scum). Combine that with the fact that Ace actually took the time to read my case (not something I see scum Ace doing), and then took it and ran, being the main pressure behind the lynch (when he easily could have just been the main pressure behind Shiao's lynch) makes him assuredly town in my eyes. His analysis has been spot on from what I've been able to figure out, and mostly holds up with my own.
I don't think he sacrificed two KP when he could have killed one and gotten the same town cred. Especially since that would mean he bussed and soft bussed half of the remaining mafia team.
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I feel much more confident in you being town now, VE.
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Anyone still have problems with Ace's plan? Speak now. I'd also like to hear all of the detectives agree to the checks.
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On April 30 2013 11:55 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 11:54 Sharrant wrote:
Anyone still have problems with Ace's plan? Speak now. I'd also like to hear all of the detectives agree to the checks. Publically saying what your going to do makes it so much easier for them to be fucked with....
Please point out to me the problem you have with the plan, instead of saying "the plan may have a problem". That's why we're discussing it.
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Hey, VE, are you here still?
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On April 30 2013 12:17 Stutters695 wrote:
I feel a lot better about the 3 check plan but question I'm probably missing. If one is a fake (say palmar for ease of typing) and palmar is gf doesn't that ruin the plan since palmar would show up town/same while he could easily forge checks to whatever parity seems balanced to him?
Not saying it's likely but it does seem like a flaw we overlooked.
I think this is mostly covered by a couple things:
1. At least for me, Palmar is town unless he's third party, I don't consider there being a great chance of him being mafia.
2. If his checks are wrong, he'll get lynched for it when he says a townie is scum, or he'll run out of people to logically be suspicious of, either via too many green checks being handed out, or his choice of checks will be rather suspicious.
3. He's not a player who I think is a viable choice for scum to try and make it to end game with, so if he's the god father he'll most likely end up getting lynched. Given that it seems likely that Shiao is another mafia due to checks (subject to change obviously) there would only be Palmar and one other scum trying to get to end game, and I think it would end up revealing both of them.
Those are my reasons at any rate.
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On April 30 2013 12:51 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 11:58 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 11:55 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 11:54 Sharrant wrote:
Anyone still have problems with Ace's plan? Speak now. I'd also like to hear all of the detectives agree to the checks. Publically saying what your going to do makes it so much easier for them to be fucked with.... Please point out to me the problem you have with the plan, instead of saying "the plan may have a problem". That's why we're discussing it. Fine. If you say You you and you check him. All the Mafia has to do is either have a GF or something as one of the cops, or a JOAT for the check, and you fuck with one of the checks, kill the guy not checking the one your fucking with, have the fake (If there is one) reveal what he flipped becase well.. we established he was checking the guy that flipped by this association. We now hav the guy who we don't have check clearance on to look guilty. I would still feel pretty good about jailing Palmar to see if another SK hit happens so we can find out if there is a SP, or if Palmar was a SK that got role blocked night 1.
A Jack would have had to withhold his action at least once, and must have not framed anyone one night one or night two. I believe a framer is relatively unlikely since we have already flipped a vigi and a framer, and there are several possible scum roles.
As for a God father, I've stated why CC is likely to be town, and that I'm coming around more to the idea of VE being town, and why Palmar that is a Godfather does not make sense, and if he's third party that will show up.
None of those 3 should be RB'ed or jailed by anyone that is town. Doctors should be on them, jailors jail important town targets that are not part of that circle.
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On April 30 2013 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sharrant please to ShiaoPi?
I think he's gotta be our lynch for tomorrow (unless there's something else you're asking). I'm not motivated enough right now to draw up a whole case, but his response to "you hammered a townie you never said anything about" had no trace of curiousity.
He's got a red check on him (after sanities), he didn't want to lynch Clarity, and instead wanted to lynch you (who I'm now leaning town on). So far I've only seen him go after townies (with a possible exception of yourself).
I don't want to make pre-flip assosciations, but some people look very bad if he's scum, and some worse looking people look much, much better.
If you want more I'll see what I can do when I'm feeling like hunting through filters again.
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On April 30 2013 13:38 getmoript wrote:
@VE what do you think of Shiao's blue hints?
Can you point these out? I see one really big hint, but it's just as possible that he's scum that doesn't know what to claim. I don't want to point it out unless it's the same thing, because his claim could prove that he's scum. Or at least heavily implicate it.
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On April 30 2013 13:58 getmoript wrote:
What do you make of them Sharrant?
That was exactly what I was hoping you wouldn't post. I wanted him to claim before it was revealed that he had already indirectly mentioned that he couldn't be a VT, just in case he would claim VT. It would've made me the lynch a slam dunk.
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On April 30 2013 14:15 getmoript wrote:
I already posted in the Mason QT but I might as well point it out here. What blue role do you think that he could actually claim that we would actually believe? Vet? Not provable. Medic? Not provable. Jailer? Would've claimed/crumbed already imo. Cop? lulz. Mason? lulz. JOAT? Not likely. No reason to not claim with the cops as 1 of them has to be lying. Vigilante? No claim/crumb; no mention of grush; no explanation for not firing at 1 of a number of people. No called hit incoming. Named VT? lulz. VT/Miller? Hellz no.
I see no role that he could claim that doesn't make me want to lynch him faster. Any claim at all makes him an super autolynch. Like regardless of the check. Honestly, I just want to move on to the next lynch.
I think that's because he's already in auto lynch territory.
I think the flavour of this setup can lead to some rather subtle bread crumbs, at least if one wants to keep them secret until they want to claim. I'm interested to hear his claim, but I honestly don't know how I would feel about any claim he could possibly make, and I don't think it's wise to speculate just yet. I'd rather wait and hear what he has to say, any speculation from other people is likely to either A) reveal their roles (while not super important since we have 3 claimed cops) B) give him possible ideas for how to escape the noose if he is scum.
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On April 30 2013 14:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't see those as blue crumbs at all. I don't even know what you're referring to.
If he were VT then there would always be the option that he could be a non-self aware miller. This never occurs to him despite the situation arising earlier, thus it is a situation he is not concerned about because he cannot be a non-self aware miller because he has a role.
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On April 30 2013 14:27 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 14:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't see those as blue crumbs at all. I don't even know what you're referring to. Really? You don't consider the fact that he doesn't consider the option that he could be a miller a possibility a blue tell?
It's not such that it's a blue tell, it's that it's a tell that he has a role. Either red or blue, but he is not concerned with a scenario that can only apply to VTs.
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I don't think we can specifically exclude blue, to be honest. I do think it's very likely he is red, but there's roles I could see him being. At any rate, we'll see.
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