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On April 29 2013 08:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 08:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 29 2013 08:50 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 08:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Palmar, pushing lynches on townies since the beginning of his mafia career. Bring a case Palmar. Til then you are not worth my time. Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp]. If you need allies you aren't intending on making a real case. You are intending one of said allies does the work for you, I flip town, and you blame them. Come on Palmar. If you thought I was mafia and you town you would have already begun making said case. Instead you are pestering people to see if you have enough people already willing to vote for me to avoid having to do any work. The more you keep going on this charade of "finding people" the more confirmed you are as not town. Your annoyance I could foresee, you did not expect to have to deal with this today. You say I am not town, well let us fight then, to the death.
BloodyC0bbler I hereby challenge you to a duel to the death. We will fight today, from sunrise to sunset. The field of honour will be this very thread. The ammunition, our words, the weapons their votes. One will walk, one will hang. Your move.
You initiated said dual so it is your move to bring on your claim. Until you actually substanciate this as anything more than a retarded ego war I am opting to lynch someone I have a better read on. If you want to do it go for it, but I am not going to spend the entire day cycle wasting peoples time if you have nothing.
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On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote:
BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?
Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum.
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I have seen others posting through this nonsense. People who you most suspicious of at this moment in time?
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On April 29 2013 09:20 Ace wrote:
stutters is vigi food, or should have been last night. we probably dont have too many since a number of "need to be dead people are alive". yamato needs to die.
what about VE makes him 3p but not scum?
VE is normally (in my experiences that i remember) much less involved at all as scum. He appears primarily to defend himself and make "phantom" activity. Given the fact he has debated/argued lynch choices and was one of the major people actually attempting to force discussion of lynches during d2 I just can't see him as mafia. However his play currently is similar to his town play and is slightly similar to his play in storm as 3p.
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And yes, Yamato surviving the night is surprising.
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On April 29 2013 09:22 Ace wrote:
?? I already named them
I know you and I aren't the only two in this thread. I would like everyone elses input as well. As much as I love solving these games between us old schoolers I do need them to post to get accurate reads.
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what the fucking hell did I miss last night -_-
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Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_-
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On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way?
He needs to know his sanity but there is no way in hell hes sane. I doubt beyond belief that Bh would have me as a miller. As 3 millers a framer and then two dts who have to figure out their sanity + parity cop, masons, and at least 1 jailer if not two leads me to think theres a shit ton of lying going on
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On April 30 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is BC still around or did he literally just show up to buddy Ace?
aroundish. I am still trying to sort this shit out
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dts already know the checks of eachother. Makes more sense to make mafia wifom and check some of those checks who are still alive and confirm eachothers checks.
That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully.
Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means
1) I am a miller and he is sane
2) I am town and was framed and he is sane
3) He is insane/paranoid
4) he is mafia.
Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia.
He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind.
CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake.
Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason.
We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well.
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On April 30 2013 09:49 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 09:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO are you not reading? Ace's plan involved the cops checking each other in a circle, not everyone checking one person. If one of the cops is scum, then 3p and mafia can kill off two of them and were left being forced to assume the living cop is town because no one can verify it. Or hell, even if the 3rd party is poisioner, and mafia only has 1 kp with no vigi shots (Though JOAT can vigi0 left, if we lose even one cop the cycle falls apart.
You are correct the mafia and third could kill 2 at once however how do you know they don't shoot the same one? How do you know the 3rd party doesn't shoot the claimed mafia in hopes to shooting the real one?
Let mafia and any 3ps wifom on who to shoot. How about we don't help them?
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OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time.
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Also given events day 2.
Ace and VE are both confirmed not mafia, both very likely town.
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On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.
Me
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off to work i go be back in like 5-7 hours
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On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.
I claimed this day 2 -_-
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On April 30 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote:
I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is:
N1:
Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes)
BC RB'ed
N2:
Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum)
Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.)
N3
??? Jailed
VE RB'ed
I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers.
But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me.
This post doesn't make sense. The only way to be roleblocked in this game is to be jailed. IE for me to be roleblocked n1 requires me being jailed. As it would with Palmar.
N2 we only had ace rb'ed and VE on n3. These all count as protections as well. I find it extremely unlikely that one jailkeeper is so inactive to not send in their power use for two night periods. Given that I doubt BH would be so much of an ass to not let mafia control an inactive member of their teams powers it means a town jailer has been mia 99% of the game or one of Palmar and I is lying about n1. I know what my pms say thus I say palmar and if he lied about that he sure as hell is lying about his claim.
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On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake. I claimed this day 2 -_- BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.
Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else.
I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint.
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On May 01 2013 05:18 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 05:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 22:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:On April 30 2013 22:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK so as I have been thinking recently.
We know there is one jailkeeper running around.
We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead)
We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead
We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos)
We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead
We know a second rb happened n1. This means
a) palmar is lying
b) I am lying
c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since.
Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum.
We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake. I claimed this day 2 -_- I don't see where you specifically attack palmar on the basis of thinking his RB claim is bullshit. I see you bashing his play but not that specifically.
I claimed my block day 2. I have called him to be vigi'd since around a similar time frame, and I made it clear after I came back from the dt shenannigans that he had made it into my scum reads. I made a concentrated post as to explain my read. His RB claim after n1 I can't claim was bullshit given it was one single night of actions. Its the continued nights of information that I use to scream bullshit.
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