TL Mafia LXI - Page 197

On May 01 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
If someone less lazy that me cares, then I would suggest looking at the day 2 wagons and finding people who were apathetic or fake enthusiastic about which wagon it was that won the race.

On May 01 2013 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

Say I were to look into it; what would this prove exactly?

On May 01 2013 10:42 Palmar wrote:


can you honestly not figure that out?

On May 01 2013 10:44 TheRavensName wrote:
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that the scum team is Glygas and like shutter or Dyz and were just eating ourselves?

On May 01 2013 10:39 Ace wrote:
I dont care how you play. You've loafed around all game and hurled accusations at "vet" players and tried to pass it off as effort. When called on your stinking bullshit you get mad and emotional instead of manning up and playing. Your arguments are trash, made up nonsense that shows you haven't been reading the game. Now you're throwing a pity party because of a little pressure.

Quit if you feel that way and dont really care. No one is stopping you.

On May 01 2013 10:59 yamato77 wrote:
Fine.

Why don't people want to lynch Hopeless?

Let's talk about him, since he's one person who is not Ace/BC/Palmar/VE who I feel could be mafia.

On April 27 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:
So I kind of re-skimmed the thread and looked over what people have said, finally, and this post by Shiao is quite bad:


Much has been said about this entrance, but it was horrible, for a number of reasons. While it can be reasonably assumed that he is actually busy, the amount of this post used to excuse his own inactivity is mind-blowing.

He has no original thought about the game, and doesn't seem to care about giving us any valid reasons for voting for VE outside of Palmar's lackluster efforts in pushing for the lynch.

And then there's the bolded, his "reaction" to the tube modkill, that sets something off in my head. It seems unnatural and forced to go "(lol btw!)" in the middle of this post.

I'd be happy with lynching him, if we feel we need to consolidate on a lynch. I've advocated playing a waiting game, but I saw it mentioned that we've only really talked about lynching between him/Clarity today, and I agree, so perhaps it is best if we move on.

Another thing I thought to look at was the WHOLE votecount from day 1, not just the Oats wagon:


There are some changes to this:








So the votecount itself is somewhat difficult to analyse, seeing as most people were either on me or Oats, but the people on Rayn do seem out of place, and it is even more weird that two of them managed to get themselves on to Oats before his lynch; Sylencia and Hopeless.

Also note that Shiao's only vote of the whole day was the hammer on Oats. And people want to say that it isn't scummy? Yeah, no.

But as before, there were multiple vote changes inbetween, and they are worth looking into. To begin why did Sylencia decide to change to Oats?



Seems more of a case for voting for "bad town" than scum, which seems like a slip of a scum mindset, in my opinion. Why? Because it is something I run into as scum, how to formulate a read on a town player and call them scum so I can vote for them. Most of the time, it is "bad town" that get mislynched, so the difference becomes vague. Justifying a vote by saying that someone is "bad for town" is an easy scum out, because town players can and will be anti-town on many occasions. Yet this is Sylencia's mindset, and how he justifies the vote on Oats. Just from this voting analysis, I feel he might be mafia.

I have yet to analyse his filter in totality, but given this, I will definitely give it a look.



Hopeless.

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Anyway, this is Wonder's SECOND EVER mention of Oatsmaster, and the first one where he gives any inclination of thinking him mafia. AMAZING! HOW DID HE REACH THIS SECRET CONCLUSION?!?!?!



Wow. I'm not saying this is totally regurgitation of other people's arguments, but it is. This also come AFTER his vote, where he's fully aware that he's putting Oats one vote away from lynch. And then guess what happens...

I unvote (temporarily delaying the lynch), Sylencia manages to vote AND:



The hammer!

This all happens within the span of ~2 hours, mind you, when I'm screaming at the thread not to lynch Oats. Say what you want about me, but all three of these votes are particularly HORRID, and all of them are either switches off Rayn (a wagon that seems inherently scummy, in that people that switched off it didn't seem to change their read on him much) or the player's first vote of the game.

Is there a chance they are town? Sure. I'd probably say Sylencia has the most chance to be town, since when compared to the other two, his vote looks the MOST explained, despite the fishy nature of the post. The other two, however, give very little indication that they think Oats is mafia before they vote, and the hammer in particular looks like TEXTBOOK MAFIA trying to find a good reason to just lynch a town.

Notably, I did something JUST like this day 1 of British Empire 1 (also instant majority), where I fabricated suspicion of a town-created wagon on a town player and managed to hammer him for the lynch. Only this is even worse, and more obvious, because they didn't even manage to look like they thought about it before obviously putting Oats in danger of, and actually being lynch.

That's VCA done right, bros. And from it, I find the willingness to lynch the fuck out of Shiapi, because this is bullshit. No matter how much post-hoc justification he gives, there is only mafia motivation to be seen in what he has done.

On April 28 2013 12:02 Hopeless1der wrote:

In exchange for infinite towncred? Fuck yeah. I'm not saying that's what I think happened but he's not confirmed in my mind just yet.

On May 01 2013 11:02 GiygaS wrote:

Wanna give some reasoning for that before getting the rest of the town to do it for you?

On May 01 2013 11:13 GiygaS wrote:
Well all I can say Yamato is that I'm on page 33 and have seen some things too. I completely forgot that he dissuaded the town read on Vivax. His entire day 1 was basically dedicated to that heuristic thing even long after it was done and dealt with. That said, you and Hopeless haven't done practically anything of real substance up until this point (rayn pointed out kush's lack of contribution on page 31 if you're interested).