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Hi peoples! So are we planning to plan, or are we planning for not planning? What's the plan, Stan? On April 04 2013 11:44 Keirathi wrote: /ignore gonzaw Anyways, herro friends. Hello lover. | ||
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Nap time. See you after! Oh shit, caller game?! ##remove kebab | ||
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First impressions: I saw that Oats is/was under some suspicion (just going from memory, don't recall if it was talked out or not) but Oats is Oats; he's a bit all over the place but I don't see the same intent to shut things down that someone mentioned earlier. He was just as loud and all-over in RED. Null still. RO seems to want to be more helpful than I remember him being as scum in LX, not feeling what you guys that are suspicious of him are feeling there, either. Got my eye on Rayn at the moment. His style was spammy but usually constructive (at least in telling us what he was thinking) and I've got none of that after the first couple pages of his filter. Ten one-liners in a row or something, doesn't match up to his standard attacking pattern from RED. The attacks there were thought-out, here they mostly look like casual accusations perhaps fishing for reactions? The only points he has going for him is that he's absolutely confused about what is going on regarding the draft process: On April 05 2013 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Should we have our roles by now? Rayn, if you are serious about RO being scum then lay if out for me in one clean concise post, and if you are not, who are you most suspicious of right now? Or are you just drunk again? Other stuff: Most of the chat was about planning how to set up the top spots to get roles protected, is that still a thing? I'm spot 2 somehow, and I was thinking about taking America because America, fuck yeah! Is that going to make me a Pariah or something? Girls just wanna have fun, you know? I'll use it as a second lynch like was suggested yesterday or I can just sit on it if you guys are paranoid about it. Going back for that re-read and making some coffee. See you in a bit when I'm finished with that. PS: Seriously guys, the spam, cut it out, I decided to avoid large games because of the sheer volume of posts so please be less liberal with one-liners, thank you! | ||
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The Oats vs Rayn dichotomy is only reinforcing my read on Rayn right now (clearly it's in retrospect), though there is something to be said for how infuriating talking with Oats can be... that could explain all those one-liners I suppose. On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3 scum reads: Caller, RO, Oats. On April 05 2013 10:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 10:15 Mocsta wrote: @ Rayn Im not hard defending RO; I dont know where I stand with him yet. Im saying your rational is not alignment indicative. I thought it might also be beneficial to provide awareness of a scum filter for him. These are the guys who are saying "i don't want to take a stance, i just.... I SET MY NUMBERS ALALALALALALALA.. I WON'T LISTEN TO SHIT, AND I HAVE NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE OF ALALALALALALALALLA! kill those guys. That's the extent of the reason that these people are scum to Rayn, because they won't play nice? People who play paranoid are less likely to cooperate for fear of being manipulated. People who want to pick a role that is fun are less likely to cooperate as well. I just don't see how this is a definite case of those players being scum. Caller spent half the time trolling until he mentioned killing VE. Oats is Oats, Rayn has already had the Oats experience when we were in RED together. There's just no way they are all scum together and going against the grain and Rayn's declaration that Caller, Oats, RO and MZ are scum together is a complete crock. | ||
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On April 05 2013 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote: OO fuck that I was totally right and rayn was totally WRONG. You have ideas on who to pick based on our discussion earlier right? Yeah I see you guy want some roles protected so I will take that into consideration. Thief, janitor, PoD, there were one or two more high priority roles to hold for town as well that I can't recall off the top of my head. | ||
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I have two games played together with Vivax (LX and Fruity) and I was interested in getting a preliminary read on him based on what we've seen so far. I did a (pretty weak) meta case on him in LX and I have a not-entirely-unfamiliar handle on his play, but I wanted to see if my read agreed with yours. Surprisingly he's been talking a lot of sense, but he's got Rayn as his #1 town read according to his filter: On April 05 2013 03:19 Vivax wrote: Supporting gonzaw and rayn for high picks so far. Objections? I suggest everyone makes a list of his top 5 townreads to send in highest numbers, and we find the ones most agree on. If there's someone mostly suggesting scum in his list, we will find out later. That's why scum will try to stop this plan. 1. Rayn 2. Gonzaw 3. Vivax (duh) 4.-5. : To find out. It seems the reason for this was because Rayn's opinion was that there was a low likelihood of there being scum in the most active/outspoken of townies for D1. This doesn't seem to jive with the concept that people are being active/outspoken about disagreeing that we should have had a plan to begin with. Each time I read the next quote I get more and more confused about what Vivax is actually saying here, to be honest. It seems as though Vivax is reading Rayn as town because Rayn is active/engaged, but Rayn is conversely suspicious of people who are active and engaged. Is this some kind of process of elimination or how did Vivax form his read? I'm not seeing it... On April 05 2013 02:50 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote: It's ok caller, just means you will be the last one along with the designated elected townie mofo you'll contest. Hurt yourself bro. I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum. It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D I would probably support you as candidate cause I don't think that there can be mostly mafia among the most active and engaged candidates you proposed, so that makes you look quite townie. ##Pick #1: Rayn I guess I should extend this question to Vivax as well, then. Vivax, does your town read on Rayn waver at all based on what I've demonstrated before (that Rayn's scum reads are all people pushing against the current/trending of town's intentions during pre-picks). Moc, Yam, do you think Vivax' town read of Rayn is unfounded? Maybe you can explain it better than I understand it since I could be misinterpreting it. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:26 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote: If someone from town does pick this, you will 100% be held accountable for your shots. If you're going to use it, you better be DAMN sure. I dont see how mafia cant abuse this liberty. They tunnel a guy, then nuke him. And we dont lynch him Policy regarding nukes, if you launch one, you are scum bro. Maybe an addendum: If you launch one, and you hit town, then you get lynched no questions asked. Arguably, nuking at all should get the person lynched I guess. Scum with the role could nuke scum for the town cred (really stupid and wifom but it's in the realm of possibility) and to bypass all of that, we could just agree to policy lynch America when they are outed in the thread to be 100% sure. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:34 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 15:29 ObviousOne wrote: On April 05 2013 15:26 Keirathi wrote: On April 05 2013 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote: If someone from town does pick this, you will 100% be held accountable for your shots. If you're going to use it, you better be DAMN sure. I dont see how mafia cant abuse this liberty. They tunnel a guy, then nuke him. And we dont lynch him Policy regarding nukes, if you launch one, you are scum bro. Maybe an addendum: If you launch one, and you hit town, then you get lynched no questions asked. Arguably, nuking at all should get the person lynched I guess. Scum with the role could nuke scum for the town cred (really stupid and wifom but it's in the realm of possibility) and to bypass all of that, we could just agree to policy lynch America when they are outed in the thread to be 100% sure. If someone is scum and starts nuking his buddies, then I'm fine with letting him live TBH. Think about it like this: If that person is trying to emulate town, then what is the normal mafia reaction? To NK said person. If they are still alive 2/3/whatever days later, then we can talk about it again. I think its dumb to say "We're going to policy lynch anyone who uses a nuke, even if they hit scum" because then if a townie OES* pick America, and they O* hit scum, then scum don't have to use a kill to get rid of him because they know town is going to do it for them. SHHH MAKE THEM FEAR THE RETRIBUTION, KEI! | ||
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On April 05 2013 03:01 Caller wrote: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 02:59 geript wrote: @Caller what do you think of my plan? @All Would everyone be okay if I came up with a set of 5 pods of rolls and the pods to be selected from in specific picks? I'd expect some feedback and editing on them. don't care about plans fos keirathi Where'd this come from? I don't see why you think Keirathi is scum anywhere in your filter, this is the first mention with Ctrl+F through your filter, please tell me what I'm not seeing that makes Keirathi scum. Your scum reads are basically on the people who are ignoring you, so I want to get some clarity about at least Keirathi and Yamato if it's not too much trouble. Thanks. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:52 Caller wrote: although now that i think about it he was the one that attacked my initial accusation on keirathi, didn't he? Could be some mutual chainsaw defense sorta thing going on here ~ I wouldn't call it attacking, more like I wanted to know exactly what was up because I do not feel that Keirathi is scum based on what I've seen for far. Keirathi being friendly and helpful improved my town play in RED (granted, that all happened AFTER his confirmed town mason claim) but I just don't agree with you on helpfulness being a scum tell, at least from Keirathi. BTW, [3][16] since you asked so kindly. | ||
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On April 06 2013 09:59 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, I'm just going to quote myself on this matter. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 11:30 Restraining Order wrote: Pick assassin and try to kill me with [RED] please. That way I don't actually die to your stupidity. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll stop reading your posts henceforth. Wouldn't be a problem if you'd actually think I'm mafia I'll indulge your soft town claim for a moment and simply ask you why your list contains 9 people. If you can justify all 9 in some way at least we'll know whether or not you're talking the breeze with these myriad suspicions. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:06 Restraining Order wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote: EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10. No, it's 9. I have no idea where VE got the Caller thing from, and it's sad you just take his word. If I've misread it please tell me how. It won't be the first time. I spent like 24 hours in Fruity misreading every little thing so just straighten me out instead of spitting in my face, thx. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I misread the quote-pyramid. He was saying he wanted to lynch Kier when I thought he was replying to Caller. My mistake. .... | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:37 Bill Murray wrote: youre rightabout that RIGHT ABOUT WHAT PLEASE TYPE MORE JESUS FUCK | ||
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On April 06 2013 12:13 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 12:11 deconduo wrote: On April 06 2013 12:01 Bill Murray wrote: On April 06 2013 11:51 deconduo wrote: On April 06 2013 11:43 Bill Murray wrote: DECONDUO WHAT ARE YOUR READS ON WHO ARE WHAT? Palmar is afk, but that's normal. FoS Deconduo On April 05 2013 01:29 Palmar wrote: I always suck at PYP games because I find the role discussion so boring I skip it. PTP 1: 3 posts before Day 1 PTP 2: 8 posts before Day 1 PYP Redux: 7 posts before Day 1 PYP Boardwalk: 18 posts before Day 1 Unless you're saying he's less afk than normal, I don't know why you think I'm wrong. well i guess he doesnt play like me anymore You say that like it's a bad thing. | ||
ObviousOne
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April 06 2013 04:26 GMT
#1020
Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. | ||
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April 06 2013 04:29 GMT
#1023
On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. On April 06 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote: meta Okay I'm laughing my ass off at this but really, three dot points or something. Substance, please. Who do you want to lynch D1? | ||
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April 06 2013 04:52 GMT
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On April 06 2013 13:37 geript wrote: I figured out why I don't like the case on RestrainingOrder at all. In The Game, I got to watch both Bugs and Kita push absolute bullshit towards town's direct. It was well crafted bullshit, but bullshit none the less. VE's case is an exact example of this type of thing for a few reasons: 1. The townread/lynch stuff + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 09:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before? ... Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them. This is the exact type of thing that we as scum would jump on. Any little thing that we could catch where town fucked up, changed reads, etc. It's perfect to attack because it seems so simple and plausible. Town in general are not going to be filtering themselves constantly to see their positions, know where they stood on exact people, etc. Whereas as scum, we were quite often referencing ourselves to see what stances were plausible for us to take. I can't wholly ignore the possibility that RO may just be lazy scum, hell he lurked most of LX until his teammate shot him. However, it's stupid to think that this early on that scum would make a slip this big. It's far more likely to be bad/stupid town. This isn't particularly scummy. | ||
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April 06 2013 04:57 GMT
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On April 06 2013 13:54 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 13:28 Mocsta wrote: @ArtanisXp I would like to continue discussion regarding your Geript case. Specifically, your qualms with Geripts wishy-washiness on whether I am town as follows: + Show Spoiler [Artanis on Geript] + On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully. As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to: =============================== On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote: Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie. Oh and I think you're pretty townie. =============================== Why on earth would a townie post this? WHY? Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. What I find curious about the above, is when we start discussing Geript and you comment the below: + Show Spoiler [Artanis WishyWashy] + On April 06 2013 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had you as weak town before our exchange, and the post you made questioned that read, so I questioned you. At first I thought it made you null again, but rereading it I realized that your wishy-washy post wouldn't make sense if Geript is scum, because he created an easy way for you to defend him which you denied. Since I believe Geript to be scum that makes you fairly town. On April 06 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. and if he is town.. what then? On April 06 2013 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then you'd be null again. I find this interchange ironic, as you flip flop regarding my alignment much to the same manner Geript does. Let me guess, the heuristic doesnt apply to your play? Further, I shall ask the same question I asked Geript. On April 05 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote: Im not sure why I need to know you have me as town though? Nor why everyone else needs to know? Im asking because, Im still trying to figure out if that affects my perception of you. town are more likely to flip flop than mafia Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 13:29 ObviousOne wrote: On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. On April 06 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote: meta Okay I'm laughing my ass off at this but really, three dot points or something. Substance, please. Who do you want to lynch D1? AustinMCC at this point is betraying his blue meta as a lurker that I've seen He had a plan that would help the mafia, too, in regards to town picking from the mafia role list It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the mafia have taken from more "town" roles than "mafia" ones By that token, I don't expect there is a Godfather So do you know who is mafia or are you saying AustinMCC is a town read of yours? | ||
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April 06 2013 05:05 GMT
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On April 06 2013 14:02 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 13:55 Keirathi wrote: Yo, broski. How do you know that RO is town? I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote: ... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking. I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? I didn't read most of The Game (I did read some of it, first couple days I guess?) and I honestly don't care to at the moment, but I didn't call you scum for that, I just pointed out an opportunity you left open. That actually speaks well to you that you don't feel self-conscious about saying it. | ||
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April 06 2013 05:12 GMT
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On April 06 2013 14:07 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2013 14:05 ObviousOne wrote: I didn't read most of The Game (I did read some of it, first couple days I guess?) and I honestly don't care to at the moment, but I didn't call you scum for that, I just pointed out an opportunity you left open. That actually speaks well to you that you don't feel self-conscious about saying it. Please clarify the opportunity I left open. I'm not sure what you're saying here. It's easy to pick out something innocuous and run with it (especislly given the unfamiliarity with context: The Game in this case) and since you've already announced you were going to bed I don't want to see it come out later and waste time talking about it / whether or not it was a legit slip while you were gone. Now we addressed it and it makes sense to me. That was my point. Maybe it doesn't make sense to everyone else but I make weird observations sometimes. | ||
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April 07 2013 07:01 GMT
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On April 07 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote: Going to bed. When I wake up tomorrow, I'm taking a look at this list of people: VE PALMAR SINANI MEAPAK AUSTIN One of them will get lynched. Not down with a Sinani lynch today, Sinani's post in on the money to me (at least up until SNB). I need to review SNB for myself with gratuitous coffee. Green highlight makes sense to me. On April 07 2013 14:48 sinani206 wrote: I first want to say that this thread is spammed up to almost the point of unreadable... This is not how Town wins games. Secondly, out of the current lynch candidates, here are my opinions: VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge. Keirathi: Null atm, nothing pointing him at being scum, but don't want to say definitely townie so soon. I just played in RTP with him and he seems to be playing rather similarly, so if I had to pick I'd say town. Restraining Order: Very difficult to read, so I'll wait to see more of him and on him. StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now. ##Vote: StrongandBig Added notes: VE: I've been aware he's in two games since I am/was on the replacement list for his other game (Noir Mini I) so I expect this game to suffer more due to the nature of Noir being instant majority. I'll review him as we approach the midpoint of day so there's hopefully something more there. Keirathi: I'm more green than null on Kei, but that's more bias based on how I perceive him as a person than a player so now that he's finished jerking off for 12 hours straight [lol take a nap, dude] should be able to identify if my bias is clouding my perception of him. RO: He's another one I will want to review before the midpoint of day. I believe I mentioned earlier his D0 was more helpful/proactive than he was all game in LX [my opinion, didn't review LX] so he's at least Null. Gonna read SNB and | ||
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April 07 2013 07:23 GMT
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On April 07 2013 16:19 gonzaw wrote: I encourage you guys to read Artanis' filter from British 2 See how "outgoing" he is there. See how he interacts with other people, pressures others, is not afraid to post Now reread my case and check his filter this game. See the "fear" in his posts, for instance those 2 I mention where he's posting fluff and "cramming down too much bullshit". They are 2 completely different playstyles. Artanis was town in British 2 Therefore, Artanis is scum this time. Meapak, why did you suddenly forget about Artanis, when he was actually getting more and more suspicious? I think you said something like "nobody except sinani resembles a decent lynch", so what about the guy you called out for "hiding in plain sight" before, who did nothing to convince you otherwise, is not a decent lynch? Meta rules require you to compare a scum game as well, INB4 Keirathi/Yamato yells at you | ||
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April 07 2013 07:23 GMT
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On April 04 2013 19:33 strongandbig wrote: Afaik pyp games are often determined by "this bullshit". The picking phase strategy is a big part of the game. And I sort of agree with denying scum roles, but we should limit it to one or maybe two roles, because if we have strong consensus townies early in the order then giving them actual good roles could be very powerful. Also oats the draft order is public knowledge. On April 05 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote: this whole discussion is stupid until we get the drafting list btw On April 07 2013 06:07 strongandbig wrote: Lol when did I consider the number picking strategy to be very important Afaik i haven't posted anything of substance since the game started, but I'm a little confused about what you meant by "concerned about roles" when the game started? I'm not sure how these are inconsistent thoughts, though that's the majority of his contribution towards D0 discussion outside of his demands to pick inventor. Did people misunderstand his first post I selected here "picking phase strategy" to mean number picks was important? He only seemed to feel that the role picking was the important part of D0... I'm not really seeing ANYTHING that is strongly alignment indicative, but maybe that was why people want to vote him? Doesn't look like a great lynch but maybe some votes will light a fire under his butt to do something/anything. I'll take a second look later in day phase, unless someone here wants to point out what exactly about him was scummy. (linking/quoting the case if it was yours or you remember who wrote it, plzthx) | ||
ObviousOne
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April 07 2013 07:31 GMT
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On April 07 2013 16:27 gonzaw wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 16:23 ObviousOne wrote: On April 07 2013 16:19 gonzaw wrote: I encourage you guys to read Artanis' filter from British 2 See how "outgoing" he is there. See how he interacts with other people, pressures others, is not afraid to post Now reread my case and check his filter this game. See the "fear" in his posts, for instance those 2 I mention where he's posting fluff and "cramming down too much bullshit". They are 2 completely different playstyles. Artanis was town in British 2 Therefore, Artanis is scum this time. Meapak, why did you suddenly forget about Artanis, when he was actually getting more and more suspicious? I think you said something like "nobody except sinani resembles a decent lynch", so what about the guy you called out for "hiding in plain sight" before, who did nothing to convince you otherwise, is not a decent lynch? Meta rules require you to compare a scum game as well, INB4 Keirathi/Yamato yells at you There are no "meta rules" So do you agree or not? My case alone stands by itself and I used no meta at all. The fact his recent (I think) town play is so different in an "obvious" way just adds to it. You are also free to check a scum game from his that "discredits" my case or something. Remember that people can play differently as scum at times. For proof check my scum games from Liar Game and Themed Game Mafia That's not what I'm getting at here, though, and I will go take a look at an Artanis scum game after I post this, but you cannot say "IF HE DOESNT MATCH TOWN HE MUST BE SCUM" because that's based on imperfect information. This precise shit came up in RED. You need to show how it more closely resembles a mafia game, not just how it doesn't resemble a town game. BRB after database check. | ||
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April 07 2013 07:48 GMT
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Artanis[XP] mafia meta highlights based on his one recorded scum game in the database: Haunted Mafia - Replaced into game at P64 - GG out P116 - Total of perhaps 8 "useful" posts over 50 pages Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]: - Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games - Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool - Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself - Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction I'm looking for something more recent, but Artanis tends to host games rather than play... search filter only went back to March 2012 and the database shows no scum games other than Haunted. | ||
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April 07 2013 20:53 GMT
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On April 08 2013 05:37 deconduo wrote: ObviousOne is another person who is pretty much inactive in this game, compared to his prolific posting in other games. If I could grill and play at the same time I totally would. I see that gonzaw wants me to draw conclusions from my supplement to his meta case (since he done failed at doing it all proper like) so I guess I'll check Artanis' town games too for myself. I know we played together in Fruity. I'll get back with you after I finish grilling and consuming these ribs. Don't hate. | ||
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April 07 2013 22:03 GMT
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On April 08 2013 06:48 gonzaw wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:45 Palmar wrote: KILL SOMEONE GONZAW, USE YOUR WRATH, MAKE THEM PAY THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH EVENTUALLY PALMAR. DO NOT WORRY Okay just sat down to hit up that Artanis meta completion (gotta skim a couple town games, you mentioned British II and I'll check Fruity as well for starters) and make a decision for myself. Also I like the above quote very much. So far this feels like a vanilla game. Pick Your Power? More like Pick Your Nose. =[ | ||
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April 07 2013 23:23 GMT
#1456
Comfortable with 180 when confronted with new information Openly questions his detractors Sarcasm/teeth to his posts Early game attention grabber with BS vote on Marv (wasn't even in the game) - not afraid of the spotlight Direct/engaged mid-lategame One of his post-game posts I believe he mentioned before in this game, that he was trying to change up his playstyle a bit: + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 09:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, just reading the thread and getting reads off that is easy, actually doing analysis on players and posting it and trying to convince others, using meta, etc. is something else and it's not something you bothered with. When I did do so and people barely/didn't respond to it and still happily voted for me, it doesn't particularly make the game very fun. Fruity Mafia [Town]: First major thing that stands out to me is how he formulated this post. He talked about 4 other players then said ObviousOne looked bad (I really did, bee tee dubs): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17802815 He guilted me out of my scum read on Toad (Zessionar in that game): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17811235 Full of questions / interactions / poking Was a town power role and got very bold D2 but town confidence overall was high. Otherwise rather similar to British TL Mafia LI [Mafia]: Talks about things mafia would/wouldn't do (his example was scum don't make big slips) Points out a big scum slip (lol see above) Posts in a reassuring tone (regarding his own reads) Attacked inactivity and claims Post-game confessions: On April 13 2012 14:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm surprised so many people thought I was scum, given that I would've done the same lurking as town given the size of the game. I would've posted more if I could but I simply got lost in all the traffic; def won't be playing another 30 player game. The only post that really tipped me off was the one ghost accurately called out, I don't think I would've made that as town but mafia IRC said it was a good idea. Given my early bus on VE after his claim I'd think after VE flipped I'd get a bit more credit too. Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]: - Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games - Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool - Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself - Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction THIS GAME: Dismissive in D0, not chasing shadows or anything really Some concept of a plan presented, not really pushed Not very inquisitive Giant poop in the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18226316 No real back-and-forth happening Barely here The OBVIOUS conclusion: Scum Spend way more time defending / deflecting than scum hunting, less interactive than his town games. By extension of this, he's missing that edge of sarcasm and incredulity in his voice that is present when he calls people out on their bullshit as town. He doesn't seem interested in getting people to re-factor their reads. Way too defensive to match his town meta in any way. Added note: his filter is barely 2 pages and we've already been active for four real-time days if I am not fucking up my maths. Both scum game filters were short (less than 3 pages each) and showed him hiding by posting just enough to not be considered a lurker. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 07 2013 23:24 GMT
#1458
Oh, gotta vote too. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 00:58 GMT
#1481
On April 08 2013 09:54 Palmar wrote: I think it's mafia defending me, I look too scummy for townies to defend me. why is there no machine gun role that can kill like 8 people on day 1, I'd have liked that. Also there really is not enough killing this game. Bored Walk Empire Mafiyawn: Pull Your Pud =[ | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 01:25 GMT
#1492
GG no RE | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 01:28 GMT
#1493
On April 08 2013 10:24 Mocsta wrote: Gonzaw Unrelated question. Do you think I spamming up the thread? I am asking because my last couple posts have all been big text walls; and not sure if Im getting my message across succinctly at the moment. Who cares at this point. Give the lurkers a shit load of posts to read when they get back. Let them cry. Let them complain. They will sheep anyway. Your question wouldn't even be relevant if everyone was participating. Be the Mocsta we know and love. Fuck the haters. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 01:31 GMT
#1495
On April 08 2013 10:30 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 09:46 Sharrant wrote: Well, I can't think of anyone who commented on my Keirathi case, but here's an update for no one. + Show Spoiler + He's off my scum list after these posts. They look much more like his town games. In his scum games he's more political in his posts. In his two scum games he's had disagreements but always contested things conservatively, compared to his town games like Red where he called bullshit twenty or so times on the first day. On April 07 2013 14:57 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Oh, what the fuck. Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 14:48 sinani206 wrote: StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now. Explain the bolded. Because it sounds like made up bullshit. On April 07 2013 15:28 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 15:09 geript wrote: Honestly Keirathi, I don't feel great about Rayn, but I don't want to put too much stock in a meta read from one game especially when I don't know much of anything about Rayn. I could see someone going for a plan that puts them early in the draft order regardless of alignment. As for S&B I'd like to hear his response, but I like your points about how he seems to find the draft/picking phase important but doesn't actually contribute anything to them at all. So go look at his filters from past games. Dismissing a meta read because you're too lazy to look at the meta yourself is just...wtfboggle. And my point wasn't that he was just pushing a plan to get himself high in the draft order. Yes, a townie could do that too. What I don't think a townie would do is specifically say that one plan was undeniably the best plan for town, the immediately flip flop on it and say that its a bad plan now, just because a new plan came up that benefits himself more. He's putting himself above the town as a whole; suddenly and for not much reason. (Which I also contend is completely different from what town rayn just did last game.) On April 08 2013 07:54 Keirathi wrote: @rayn: good, you're back First: ##Unvote Now, let's talk a bit: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) How much time i devote to the game depends on how much time i have available. I have not ahd much time this weekend. What are you defending here? WHY are you defensive? I didn't call you out for lurking/not contributing/whatever. Weird opening statement. Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: How i play also depends on the setup. It's very different when everyone is vanilla or when everyone has roles. You are making a meta case and later on you say you are not even sure about my meta. How do you think anyone is going to believe you if you are not sure yourself? You're right to an extent. I said that I hadn't read your scum meta. But everything about your play has been so glaringly different from the way you JUST played as town. Why? "Because the game is different" isn't an excuse for thinking and behaving completely differently. Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: 2) That's bullshit. I never said "abandon Geript's plan, it's dumb". I wanted to implement Geript's + Vivax's plan and use them both. Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=19#362 I don't know why you even bring something this ridiculous up.. You didn't specifically call it dumb. I was...paraphrasing, a bit. And that post you just linked came before the post where I said you were calling geript's plan dumb, which is even weirder. Let's look at the progression, exactly: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 05 2013 01:20 geript wrote: New plan: Instead of having a set 'draft list' in that say people drafting from 1-4 need to choose from a list of ABCD roles. People drafting from 5-8 need to draft from a list of EFGH, etc. etc. This makes it very risky for Scum to draft both outside of their own list and inside of their own list. This is absolytely the best plan and the only one i'm going to support. We just need to find out what the roles are that we put to 1-4, 5-8, etc. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also support Vivax' idea if i get to be #1, Geript #2, and yamato, Mocsta, Sharrant #3-#5. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Combine Vivax' + Geript's ideas and let these guys pick [1][1], [2][1], [3][1], [4][1], [5][1] (everyone else picks [6->] [X]): Then: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. geript's plan was exactly that: the people in the first 4 slots (aka pod, in this case) would be limited to a certain pod of picks. You said that was unarguably the best plan for town. Then changed your mind and are saying it's a bad plan. That's what I was getting at, here. Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no reason to push any plans further when people reacted to any plans like they did. 3/4 of the people said "fuck all the plans", "i'm gonna do whatever they want so fu" or "it takes all the fun out of the game". What's the point of discussing any plans further when you already know it's not gonna happen anyways? At least i fucking provided a plan that had four town reads in it for people to discuss but no.. Everyone just hopped right over that part.. Ugh, I hate this kind of excuse. "No one else was doing anything, so I refuse to do anything too!" YOU were the one saying that the top picks needed some kind of cooperation. Why didn't you try to get any? You just got your top pick, and buggered off. Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: TLDR; - Strange reads with no progression or reasoning - maybe you should have asked me about those reads then if you do not know where my head is at. Now you are just calling me scum because you think i have not reasoned my reads well enough yet you have had no intention to even find out why my reads are what they are. It's not my job to find out why you spew out bullshit reads with no explanation. The onus is on you to explain yourself. But again, that isn't even my point AT ALL. My entire point was that the way you are acquiring those reads is entirely inconsistent with how you acquired reads in Red Team. In Red Team, you saw something you didn't like, and either made a case right there, or you started poking and prodding at the person, questioning them and their motives. This game you just drop a name. Why so different? Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: - uncooperative - I see myself being the most cooperative peron before we got our roles. there are a lot of people who are way more uncooperative. After the roles were out i have had basically no time to think about the game, but that's gonna change now. Again, missed the whole point. You said that the top picks needed to be cooperative with picking powerful roles/denying scum roles. But didn't try to cooperate at all with the top picks once the draft order came out. Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: - excessive posturing to attempt to get himself in the top picks - rofl, why wouldn't you want to be #1 person picking? How is this alignment indicative at all? Actually, scum would more likely try to avoid being the #1 picker because that automatically gives you a lot of attention and less chances to fakeclaim later if needed. Also the top guys are gonna get killed anyways early on as they probably have the "best" roles in the game. If they do not die it brings more attention to them. I already addressed that. No, trying to get yourself in a top pick isn't scummy, in itself. Rapidly changing your mind to a plan that benefits you more, personally, than town, and then refusing to back up your opinions on cooperating with the other top picks is scummy, though. I'm looking forward to seeing what you contribute today, though. Hopefully you can change my mind. ##Unvote: Keirathi Regarding Artanis I'm going to do some more reading tonight, but he has some posts that I find quite townie. I think they show that he is trying to contribute, as well as a clear thought process in attempting to help the town determine what is best in the draft phase. On April 04 2013 17:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So if I'm getting things right we plan on giving strong town reads effectively VT roles, correct? Though the idea of stopping strong scum roles is appealing, there are a myriad of strong roles in the game and I don't think sacrificing strong townreads that can pick early (and therefore are unlikely to be blocked by anyone) VT roles just to stop scum from picking certain roles is good. 1. They'll know exactly what X players before them picked so they can dodge roles that would otherwise make them VT. 2. Strong townreads end up with a public VT role rather than being able to help town beyond their scumhunting. 3. The townVT to scumVT balance will shift heavily in scum's favour 4. If there's scum before the last strong townread assigned to a scumrole, it could easily be sniped anyway. I think it's best if everyone hides their picks since it'll give scum the least amount of information and prevent them from having safe picks. Gives critical input on a plan as opposed to negative input, and has his first iteration of a plan: Everyone pick as discretely as possible. On April 04 2013 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a better plan for the Yamato plan, if you do decide to go through with it. If we have people that look suffeciently town, are early in the list and are willing to follow the plan, they could RNG between blocking a role and taking a 'real' role themselves without revealing which one they'd want to pick. It would create a risk too great for scum to pick that role unless they're going to WIFOM about if the town player would actually do it or not, and it'd give a 50% shot for the town player to actually still get a useful role. It's less certain than the Yamato plan but I think it puts town in a better position. It could have the same net effect yet have a higher chance for town to get more blues. Again giving critical input and creating a new plan, or at the very least a new iteration in Yamato's plan. On April 04 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 04 2013 18:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a better plan for the Yamato plan, if you do decide to go through with it. If we have people that look suffeciently town, are early in the list and are willing to follow the plan, they could RNG between blocking a role and taking a 'real' role themselves without revealing which one they'd want to pick. It would create a risk too great for scum to pick that role unless they're going to WIFOM about if the town player would actually do it or not, and it'd give a 50% shot for the town player to actually still get a useful role. It's less certain than the Yamato plan but I think it puts town in a better position. It could have the same net effect yet have a higher chance for town to get more blues. No one's actually addressed this yet, especially Yamato which I find strange as it's an improvement upon his plan. I'd propose we use it for 2 roles at the most though. Past that, it just becomes too unreliable. I don't like the VT claiming idea. Players that ended up with a VT role are still important to town in one way: Taking hits that would otherwise land on blues. I don't think the info gained on roles is worth this downside. There might be exceptions in certain situations (such as a player high up in the list claiming VT when he tried to pick a scummy role), but as the norm I'd be against it. Brings up his idea again, stating he believes it's an improvement to the plan, and again is applying critical thinking about the picking strategies that others are proposing. I don't see this as "hiding in set up speculation" I see this as someone applying critical thought as to how the town can start the game off with the most advantageous, and start the mafia off with the least. On April 05 2013 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The accountability is a good point actually, I hadn't thought about that yet. Hm. Still think it's better than doing nothing at all though since without any rules at all there's no accountability anyway. Will sleep on it. He takes criticism on his plan well, says he'll take time to think about it. To me it reads really townie,especially because of a later post where he brings up that the route town was going had no accountability. His posts to me show the thought process of someone trying to min/max the drafting system, and follows a plausible planning process. As I said earlier, I'll take a further look into him, and read the cases more thoroughly, but to me he reads as at least decently townie. I'm going to post this now, I'll be reading and writing for a (hopefully) larger post, so if anyone else is going to be on for a bit, let's chat about someone, I'll even let you pick who. hi sharrant i don't think you are right in interpreting those posts as townie, those are things scum could do as well - both because setup discussion is always fertile ground for scum to grow the rare towncred-flower, and because it was (or at least, it seemed to me) clear that this town was too fractious for a real plan to come together. that said i like that you are taking this seriously and giving real thought to what you're saying it seems like you haven't been commenting much on stuff since the end of the setup phase but that may be because you play more like i did when i was a new player, with a lot of full sentences and capitalization and well-thought-out posts so how about lets talk about a player? I randomly chose obviousone. i wrote up a few sentences about his post about artanis, how about you do the same and then we can both post ours after i finish my next dota game? Commercial break. Come at me bro. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 01:46 GMT
#1500
Or I'll Do This Just To Explain Why It's Annoying And Difficult To Read. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 01:52 GMT
#1505
<3 never change | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 02:25 GMT
#1521
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 02:30 GMT
#1524
Yes that's an insult. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 02:30 GMT
#1525
On April 08 2013 11:28 Caller wrote: fuck you goznaw, we're lynching obviousone tonight. if he doesn't get lynched, i'm going to nuke him first, and then i'm going to nuke you. change your vote. do i have nukes? ^_^ who knows Do it | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 02:33 GMT
#1528
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 08 2013 03:36 GMT
#1549
On April 08 2013 12:26 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote: Woah are you guys accusing me of thinking? You give me too much credit. Why are you just brushing those points against you off? Particularly the one where you tell people not to spam, then proceed to spam yourself. Explain, please. I am so terribly bored. Caller was exciting for a few minutes I guess. Why should I respond to any of the cases against me? Is it a requirement? My response to them is: lol This is a normal ass normal game. I expected nukes and day-KP and general chaos. Zero fun to be had. So adieu I'm going to watch a movie. I've voted and posted and fulfilled my contractual obligations for day 1. Later. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 09 2013 20:50 GMT
#2134
Gonzaw died? Sour. Anyone recap his filter yet? I'll read a couple filters between now and raid time starting with Gonzaw when I get to the computer. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 09 2013 21:27 GMT
#2136
On April 10 2013 03:12 Caller wrote: so can we kill rayn please Rayn has a 9 page filter, on page 8 he said he hasn't given a fuck up until that point [brb boggle]. Rayn also has an unexplained and yet unshakable town read on Caller. I'll vote Rayn. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:24 GMT
#2366
On April 10 2013 14:21 Bill Murray wrote: turns out ill be on for another 20, any questions? Um, yeah, why the scum read on RO at this point? His thread actions + knowing who is behind the name = town as all get-out. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:24 GMT
#2367
On April 10 2013 14:22 yamato77 wrote: Can I shoot you? LOL in the spirit of PYP, I can only hope it happens. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:31 GMT
#2371
On April 10 2013 14:30 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 14:26 Bill Murray wrote: On April 10 2013 14:24 ObviousOne wrote: On April 10 2013 14:21 Bill Murray wrote: turns out ill be on for another 20, any questions? Um, yeah, why the scum read on RO at this point? His thread actions + knowing who is behind the name = town as all get-out. It was actually more a reaction test. I'm glad you picked up on it. A townie brownie for you, sir~ Ooo Aye geddit ewe.want to bee like that man of the showtime whutz izz name. Thats roight. Caller. Ewe know. Thee one who spoke in the funnee axe.cent and laid dem traps about. Caller plays WoW? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:37 GMT
#2373
The fun has begun! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:40 GMT
#2375
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:41 GMT
#2376
On April 10 2013 14:39 Shelvocke wrote: My shot was fake. MZ is confirmed mafia, though He came back and didn't give any reads or say anything of value, even though he thought he was going to die. ##Vote Meapak_Ziph What? Dude sounded like he was about to have an aneurism and had to step away. He probably can't even sleep at this point if he went to try. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:50 GMT
#2378
On April 10 2013 14:45 Shelvocke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 14:41 ObviousOne wrote: On April 10 2013 14:39 Shelvocke wrote: My shot was fake. MZ is confirmed mafia, though He came back and didn't give any reads or say anything of value, even though he thought he was going to die. ##Vote Meapak_Ziph What? Dude sounded like he was about to have an aneurism and had to step away. He probably can't even sleep at this point if he went to try. No, Meapak is normally active during this time. Think about reactions. What's a town player's first reaction when they know they're going to die? They try to spill everything they can think of, all their reads, who to lynch, who they think is town. Meapak didn't do that. Instead he was just like oh I'm going to die. He didn't want to give up any information. Devil's advocate: he does have almost two full days to bang it out. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 05:58 GMT
#2382
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 06:18 GMT
#2384
On April 10 2013 15:02 Keirathi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 14:58 ObviousOne wrote: Perversely his nuke makes sense if he was going to do it through his lead of people diverting the Artanis lynch but I can see the need for going through with the lynch policy in the long run. Can't say "oh we have this policy but just not in this instance" because then its not a policy. Yeah... Sour. I want to believe. Well, the policy isn't even really the point. I never expected to enforce the policy, especially with the number of vets/ballsy "I dont give a fuck" players in this game. The real idea behind it was to try to bully "weaker"/newer players into not using the shot if they were town out of fear. As for the bolded part, I 100% agree with you that the target of his nuke makes perfect sense from a townie perspective. It's the TIMING of the nuke that doesn't. He has 36 hours from the day post to launch his nuke, and it only detonates at the end of the day. Why do it now? It just doesn't make rational sense. I'm with you on this as far as this point is concerned. I'm trying to figure out Vivax (as far as that is even possible, did you ever read my meta case on him in LX? no matter how good/bad it was, I was wrong) and going by his latest lynch choices, he's interested in me, sn0, and potentially mocsta. For me it seems he didn't like my interactions with the thread during Wrestlemania. For sn0 it's the low activity, it seems? He's had sn0 as a read for 2 real days so I gather that's the gist of his reasons there. Mocsta = ?????? So do his scum reads have any depth? He was suspicious of RO and I'm going through Vivax's filter to see if that's still the case or he forgot. Can't seem to find where he changes his mind except to suggest a scum team to RO: On April 09 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: RO. Oats, austin Sno final scumteam. Thoughts? Insanity seems to be his thing, this introspective moment from him is really the only thing I feel lends him any credit at all: On April 09 2013 09:11 Vivax wrote: I'd probably think I'm scum myself in some other townies' shoes. Got all my reads wrong, was willing to lynch VE but not ahead of others, defended Artanis. Whyyyy But past all that I can't be null. I want to say scum but would he really point out the ways he gave support for the scum team in the thread like he did in the last quote if he was scum? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 06:37 GMT
#2388
On April 10 2013 15:36 Bill Murray wrote: Are you talking about the movie "Looper"? So you don't deny being full of it? LEFT THAT ONE OPEN DIDN'T YOU?! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 10 2013 06:47 GMT
#2393
On April 10 2013 15:25 Keirathi wrote: Bleh, everytime I think about MZ, I keep coming back to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18232387 Why would a scum make that post? Why not see what town decides to do after the gonzaw flip to decide if you need to hard bus? I mean, Artanis was the fkn Assassin, which is arguably one of the strongest roles in the game (ironically, Jack is one of the few roles I would rate higher than Assassin, and the assassin killed him and he killed the assasin [in a way]). That makes even less sense than a townie insta-nuking austin as the day starts. Fuck that nuke. Making the game even harder to rationalize. We also can't discount Caller's busting out Showtime when he did, it's not an impossibility that votes could have swung anywhere else in the remaining hours of the day. But, look just a few posts down in his filter, he was readying to move on to VE next and that's just as pro-town a move as sticking with Artanis. (His inference seems to be that Artanis was getting shot at that point, not that it was about to be Showtime!). ... Fuck that nuke indeed. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 11 2013 06:27 GMT
#2745
geript, back in RED Team's Prize Keirathi convinced me to stop looking at sinani, despite the things I had found scummy about sinani's filter (beyond the lack of presence for the early portion of the game). I basically wrote a case that was kind of mean regarding sinani's play and even though it ended up being right, it was probably half for the wrong reasons (killing an inactive, with a few scummy traits, more than looking for anyone doing something overtly scummy in the thread). It sounds like the lie detector was kind of the simplest way to get a definite yes/no on sinani in this game. The way the voting worked out though it sounds like Keirathi might have chosen out of any of the four current people to answer had they been close enough to the 5 votes to swing it. I still think Vivax is a good lynch. Doesn't look like Shevlocke followed up since we last talked after he said his shot on MZ was fake. MZ hasn't returned to the thread either =[. Either way I gather from my quick catch-up that you're past thinking he is mafia and Austin is pushing the claims thing to keep us on track. What's the deal with Sharrant? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 11 2013 06:34 GMT
#2749
On April 11 2013 15:28 yamato77 wrote: That's a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad post. Thank you! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 18 2013 12:07 GMT
#4104
GG was a good time. At some point I got hit with that depression hammer. Must have been Monday. Second game as mafia, still not completely wrapping my head around how to do that and still look like town from RED. I am less sure about my meta read of Artanis pointing to scum but I already knew he was, obviously. Just ended up wanting to ride the town credit since we were pretty sure he was a foregone conclusion. Sorry to BM for basically going AFK at that point. We did have a great conversation over Skype and found out he was a day older than me . Sign up for LXI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 18 2013 12:08 GMT
#4105
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 18 2013 12:31 GMT
#4109
On April 18 2013 21:22 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2013 21:07 ObviousOne wrote: GG was a good time. At some point I got hit with that depression hammer. Must have been Monday. Second game as mafia, still not completely wrapping my head around how to do that and still look like town from RED. Well, here's somewhere to start. Don't say things like "can't really be fucked to play at all, this game is boring, see you tomorrow." LOL yeah one of my multitude of regrets. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
April 18 2013 13:10 GMT
#4113
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