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geript
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Keirathi
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On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote: eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigative roles are super strong, especially in a setup like this where if scum knows that we are taking investigative roles, they have to make a choice: either pick some misdirection roles to protect themselves (GF, Framer), or just hope they never get checked. And, conversely, your list advocates taking basically every kill role. That means we could have like 6-8 KP flying around per day/night. How do you expect to win if we have no way to stop any of it? Just hope our townies are good enough to only hit scum? That's not very realistic, IMO. I'm trying to remember what game it was (Themed Mafia, I think). It was Pick Their Power instead of Pick Your Power, so each person had to create a role for someone else. Basically no one ended up giving anyone a protection role, and there were lots of KP roles. Town lost handily. | ||
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geript
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
AND NEVER FUCKING USE THEM. more town people = better chance to win Dont be a hero. We should deny the perma KP roles. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
That was unexpected. | ||
yamato77
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what do you plan with that first pick tell the town | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
I'm not really in any hurry to share my pick but if we came to a solid consensus I'll pick it. This thread is a lot longer than I expected during the draft phase though  . On April 05 2013 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Town should deny KP roles. AND NEVER FUCKING USE THEM. more town people = better chance to win Dont be a hero. We should deny the perma KP roles. I cant say I'm experienced with PYPs but I was under the impression that vigs still shoot their scumreads no? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 05 2013 14:36 yamato77 wrote: sno what do you plan with that first pick tell the town I honestly haven't decided. I thought I was gonna be a later pick  | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 05 2013 14:09 geript wrote: Point taken. Perhaps I was thinking that town would be smart enough to not fire on a consistent basis. Probably a bad idea in hindsight. I'd still like to see your list. Insert Personality 2, and the 5 nukes sl0osh gave out. If I recall, 4 ppl instantly fired them (all town, launching at town). | ||
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geript
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Mocsta
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On April 05 2013 14:47 geript wrote: It's important to balance not shooting with shooting. When everyone shoots, it's likely to be a recipe for disaster. yeah, thats why for town i like roles like "capitalist" which wasnt in ya pod. You get 1 KP, and 3 role-checks. Nice balance. Either way, can you please reply to my follow question regarding Rayn. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=32#631 | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
We dont shoot. at all. It doesnt confirm you like in a normal game, and there its wayyyy better to just not shoot cause you are probably gonna hit town. Sn0 why do you disagree with PYP-Redux? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
The Oats vs Rayn dichotomy is only reinforcing my read on Rayn right now (clearly it's in retrospect), though there is something to be said for how infuriating talking with Oats can be... that could explain all those one-liners I suppose. On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3 scum reads: Caller, RO, Oats. On April 05 2013 10:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: These are the guys who are saying "i don't want to take a stance, i just.... I SET MY NUMBERS ALALALALALALALA.. I WON'T LISTEN TO SHIT, AND I HAVE NOT HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE BECAUSE OF ALALALALALALALALLA! kill those guys. That's the extent of the reason that these people are scum to Rayn, because they won't play nice? People who play paranoid are less likely to cooperate for fear of being manipulated. People who want to pick a role that is fun are less likely to cooperate as well. I just don't see how this is a definite case of those players being scum. Caller spent half the time trolling until he mentioned killing VE. Oats is Oats, Rayn has already had the Oats experience when we were in RED together. There's just no way they are all scum together and going against the grain and Rayn's declaration that Caller, Oats, RO and MZ are scum together is a complete crock. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
You have ideas on who to pick based on our discussion earlier right? | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 05 2013 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote: OO fuck that I was totally right and rayn was totally WRONG. You have ideas on who to pick based on our discussion earlier right? Yeah I see you guy want some roles protected so I will take that into consideration. Thief, janitor, PoD, there were one or two more high priority roles to hold for town as well that I can't recall off the top of my head. | ||
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geript
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yamato77
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On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote: Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. And then he got a bullshit ridiculous red check on you, and BH went full-retard after saying that in the thread. <3 postpodcast. That story was HILARIOUS. | ||
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yamato77
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AMA This thread is now reddit | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote: Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. | ||
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