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Bill Murray
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yamato77
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Keirathi
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On April 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote: He's pushing VE. How do you feel about VE? I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea how to read VE. In both games I've played with him [on my own*], I've thought he was scum and been completely wrong. (*Exception being Hydra, but that was just marv. I actually didn't have an opinion on VE before marv started telling me he was scum). I will say that I have noticed something that scum VE does that town VE doesn't. He hasn't done it yet this game. And obviously I can't say what it is, because then he would just know to avoid doing it. I'll expound on it later if something changes. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On April 07 2013 14:07 Keirathi wrote: I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea how to read VE. In both games I've played with him [on my own*], I've thought he was scum and been completely wrong. (*Exception being Hydra, but that was just marv. I actually didn't have an opinion on VE before marv started telling me he was scum). I will say that I have noticed something that scum VE does that town VE doesn't. He hasn't done it yet this game. And obviously I can't say what it is, because then he would just know to avoid doing it. I'll expound on it later if something changes. Mr. Meta king Keirathi. Can you give me your opinion on S&B. I only have played games where he was town. | ||
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Mocsta
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Keirathi
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On April 07 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote: Mr. Meta king Keirathi. Can you give me your opinion on S&B. I only have played games where he was town. Despite playing with scum S&B twice (Chrono and WLIAA), I don't actually know his scumplay very well. Partly because I refuse to go back and read Chrono (that game just needs to be wiped from the annuls of history), and partly because scum S&B just played an excellent game in WLIIA, which everyone who is familiar with his typical scumplay said was abnormal. So about this game: After whoever it was called him out, S&B came out of the woodworks to say: On April 07 2013 06:07 strongandbig wrote: Lol when did I consider the number picking strategy to be very important Afaik i haven't posted anything of substance since the game started, but I'm a little confused about what you meant by "concerned about roles" when the game started? So why did he say that - On April 04 2013 19:33 strongandbig wrote: Afaik pyp games are often determined by "this bullshit". The picking phase strategy is a big part of the game. And I sort of agree with denying scum roles, but we should limit it to one or maybe two roles, because if we have strong consensus townies early in the order then giving them actual good roles could be very powerful. Also oats the draft order is public knowledge. Logic would decree that if you say you think PYP games are won or lost based on the picking phase strategy, that you would think the picking phase is important. So why does he say that he never thought that? But more importantly, with the earlier quote, is that he ostensibly thinks that the picking strategy is important. Yet he does absolutely nothing to contribute to it at all. Why not? Yea, I could see S&B being scum. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Mocsta
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My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly. Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all. In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started". ##Vote: StrongandBig | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 07 2013 14:35 Bill Murray wrote: ^town If only I was 1 minute quicker. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 07 2013 14:36 Mocsta wrote: Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well. My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly. Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all. In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started". ##Vote: StrongandBig Talk to me about rayn first. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Keirathi
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EBWOP: Also, I guess I should say that town S&B didn't really berate people for poor play in RED that I remember. And berating people for poor play in an Obs QT when you weren't even part of the game is something that lots of people do. I don't think its specific to S&B or to S&B's town play at all. | ||
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Keirathi
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On April 07 2013 14:43 Bill Murray wrote: Rayn is town or is playing nice as scum Did you read my case? :o I don't think he's playing nice at all. I think he's playing very different from the way he thinks and acts when he's town. | ||
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Mocsta
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 I like a lot of the stuff you raise; its a solid extension of the 180' plan flips I raised prior. The problem is: for whatever reason, people assumed he was high that day when he started acting crazy: so I have kinda put those point at that point in time as moot - even though it wasnt confirmed. Where I see validity with the above in mind: is that, post-hoc he has added nothing in value, nor has he tried to endorse the plans that he agreed to , when "apparently" sober. I am happy with lynching Rayn or SnB this cycle. I would prefer SnB on the basis that I assume him to be a better player in general. | ||
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Mocsta
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On April 07 2013 14:44 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Also, I guess I should say that town S&B didn't really berate people for poor play in RED that I remember. And berating people for poor play in an Obs QT when you weren't even part of the game is something that lots of people do. I don't think its specific to S&B or to S&B's town play at all. Which is why I said personal. It wasnt the act of berating.. it was the tone used. I have seen him use the same tone in town games; im not getting it this game.. but thats a highly personal feel, and not something i can build a case on obviously. | ||
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sinani206
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VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge. Keirathi: Null atm, nothing pointing him at being scum, but don't want to say definitely townie so soon. I just played in RTP with him and he seems to be playing rather similarly, so if I had to pick I'd say town. Restraining Order: Very difficult to read, so I'll wait to see more of him and on him. StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now. ##Vote: StrongandBig | ||
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yamato77
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Keirathi
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On April 07 2013 14:48 sinani206 wrote: I first want to say that this thread is spammed up to almost the point of unreadable... This is not how Town wins games. Secondly, out of the current lynch candidates, here are my opinions: VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge. Keirathi: Null atm, nothing pointing him at being scum, but don't want to say definitely townie so soon. I just played in RTP with him and he seems to be playing rather similarly, so if I had to pick I'd say town. Restraining Order: Very difficult to read, so I'll wait to see more of him and on him. StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now. ##Vote: StrongandBig Safe side of what? If you're town, why do you need to be on the safe side of ANYTHING? Just state your opinion, and then either reevaluate when necessary or be wrong. Its scum who are worried about how their reads make them look. You scum? | ||
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Shelvocke
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On April 07 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote: I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well. VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games. Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out. It's not about VE not recommending how he plays to others. I would understand if he just said the "hold off on kp". It's about the fact that he takes an aspect of play that is much more associated with town players (being rash with KP) and something that he does himself so frequently and says that these players should be auto-lynched. He should be well aware that town players are the ones who fall into stuff like that after being lynched himself so much for things like that. I don't see any town motivations behind his attitude there. | ||
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Mocsta
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Sinani.. opinion on Raypelikoneet. gogogo | ||
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