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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 07 2013 04:34 GMT
#1221
I don't view Palmar in a negative light whatsoever. I was just trying to get information out of him.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 07 2013 04:41 GMT
#1222
Can you explain your townread on VE, Bill?
Writer@WriterYamato
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 07 2013 05:07 GMT
#1223
On April 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
He's pushing VE.

How do you feel about VE?

I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea how to read VE. In both games I've played with him [on my own*], I've thought he was scum and been completely wrong. (*Exception being Hydra, but that was just marv. I actually didn't have an opinion on VE before marv started telling me he was scum).

I will say that I have noticed something that scum VE does that town VE doesn't. He hasn't done it yet this game. And obviously I can't say what it is, because then he would just know to avoid doing it. I'll expound on it later if something changes.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:12 GMT
#1224
On April 07 2013 14:07 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
He's pushing VE.

How do you feel about VE?

I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea how to read VE. In both games I've played with him [on my own*], I've thought he was scum and been completely wrong. (*Exception being Hydra, but that was just marv. I actually didn't have an opinion on VE before marv started telling me he was scum).

I will say that I have noticed something that scum VE does that town VE doesn't. He hasn't done it yet this game. And obviously I can't say what it is, because then he would just know to avoid doing it. I'll expound on it later if something changes.

Mr. Meta king Keirathi.

Can you give me your opinion on S&B.

I only have played games where he was town.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:13 GMT
#1225
I assume because the Day started; and I received no updated Role PM.. the original PM holds
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 07 2013 05:30 GMT
#1226
On April 07 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 14:07 Keirathi wrote:
On April 07 2013 13:25 yamato77 wrote:
He's pushing VE.

How do you feel about VE?

I'll be completely honest: I have absolutely no idea how to read VE. In both games I've played with him [on my own*], I've thought he was scum and been completely wrong. (*Exception being Hydra, but that was just marv. I actually didn't have an opinion on VE before marv started telling me he was scum).

I will say that I have noticed something that scum VE does that town VE doesn't. He hasn't done it yet this game. And obviously I can't say what it is, because then he would just know to avoid doing it. I'll expound on it later if something changes.

Mr. Meta king Keirathi.

Can you give me your opinion on S&B.

I only have played games where he was town.

Despite playing with scum S&B twice (Chrono and WLIAA), I don't actually know his scumplay very well. Partly because I refuse to go back and read Chrono (that game just needs to be wiped from the annuls of history), and partly because scum S&B just played an excellent game in WLIIA, which everyone who is familiar with his typical scumplay said was abnormal.

So about this game:

After whoever it was called him out, S&B came out of the woodworks to say:

On April 07 2013 06:07 strongandbig wrote:
Lol when did I consider the number picking strategy to be very important

Afaik i haven't posted anything of substance since the game started, but I'm a little confused about what you meant by "concerned about roles" when the game started?


So why did he say that -

On April 04 2013 19:33 strongandbig wrote:
Afaik pyp games are often determined by "this bullshit". The picking phase strategy is a big part of the game.

And I sort of agree with denying scum roles, but we should limit it to one or maybe two roles, because if we have strong consensus townies early in the order then giving them actual good roles could be very powerful.

Also oats the draft order is public knowledge.


Logic would decree that if you say you think PYP games are won or lost based on the picking phase strategy, that you would think the picking phase is important. So why does he say that he never thought that?

But more importantly, with the earlier quote, is that he ostensibly thinks that the picking strategy is important. Yet he does absolutely nothing to contribute to it at all. Why not?

Yea, I could see S&B being scum.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 07 2013 05:35 GMT
#1227
^town
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:36 GMT
#1228
Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well.

My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly.

Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all.

In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started".

##Vote: StrongandBig
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:36 GMT
#1229
On April 07 2013 14:35 Bill Murray wrote:
^town

If only I was 1 minute quicker.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 07 2013 05:39 GMT
#1230
On April 07 2013 14:36 Mocsta wrote:
Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well.

My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly.

Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all.

In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started".

##Vote: StrongandBig

Talk to me about rayn first.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 07 2013 05:43 GMT
#1231
Rayn is town or is playing nice as scum
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 07 2013 05:44 GMT
#1232
On April 07 2013 14:39 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 14:36 Mocsta wrote:
Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well.

My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly.

Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all.

In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started".

##Vote: StrongandBig

Talk to me about rayn first.

EBWOP:

Also, I guess I should say that town S&B didn't really berate people for poor play in RED that I remember. And berating people for poor play in an Obs QT when you weren't even part of the game is something that lots of people do. I don't think its specific to S&B or to S&B's town play at all.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 07 2013 05:45 GMT
#1233
On April 07 2013 14:43 Bill Murray wrote:
Rayn is town or is playing nice as scum

Did you read my case? :o

I don't think he's playing nice at all. I think he's playing very different from the way he thinks and acts when he's town.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:47 GMT
#1234
Lol. I just finished re-reading your case and was about to comment; but you beat me to to it

I like a lot of the stuff you raise; its a solid extension of the 180' plan flips I raised prior.

The problem is: for whatever reason, people assumed he was high that day when he started acting crazy: so I have kinda put those point at that point in time as moot - even though it wasnt confirmed.

Where I see validity with the above in mind: is that, post-hoc he has added nothing in value, nor has he tried to endorse the plans that he agreed to , when "apparently" sober.

I am happy with lynching Rayn or SnB this cycle.
I would prefer SnB on the basis that I assume him to be a better player in general.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:48 GMT
#1235
On April 07 2013 14:44 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 14:39 Keirathi wrote:
On April 07 2013 14:36 Mocsta wrote:
Yes, im comfortable with a SnB vote as well.

My expectations for a town SnB are more of a personal heuristic, from "The Game" ObsQT where SnB berated me for poor play, incessantly.

Im not getting any of that vibe from him this game at all.

In fact, his emphasis in that ObsQT exchange was that town shouldnt be posting useless/nothing posts; yet, here ironically he admits he hasnt posted "anything of substance since the game started".

##Vote: StrongandBig

Talk to me about rayn first.

EBWOP:

Also, I guess I should say that town S&B didn't really berate people for poor play in RED that I remember. And berating people for poor play in an Obs QT when you weren't even part of the game is something that lots of people do. I don't think its specific to S&B or to S&B's town play at all.

Which is why I said personal.

It wasnt the act of berating.. it was the tone used.

I have seen him use the same tone in town games; im not getting it this game.. but thats a highly personal feel, and not something i can build a case on obviously.
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
April 07 2013 05:48 GMT
#1236
I first want to say that this thread is spammed up to almost the point of unreadable... This is not how Town wins games. Secondly, out of the current lynch candidates, here are my opinions:

VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge.

Keirathi: Null atm, nothing pointing him at being scum, but don't want to say definitely townie so soon. I just played in RTP with him and he seems to be playing rather similarly, so if I had to pick I'd say town.

Restraining Order: Very difficult to read, so I'll wait to see more of him and on him.

StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now.

##Vote: StrongandBig
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 07 2013 05:51 GMT
#1237
I've been watching you, sinani, and that post there is wishy-washy as fuck.
Writer@WriterYamato
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 07 2013 05:54 GMT
#1238
On April 07 2013 14:48 sinani206 wrote:
I first want to say that this thread is spammed up to almost the point of unreadable... This is not how Town wins games. Secondly, out of the current lynch candidates, here are my opinions:

VisceraEyes: I was leaning scum before and he hasn't really done anything to change my mind besides participating a little bit more. To be on the safe side, I'll say null with a red tinge.

Keirathi: Null atm, nothing pointing him at being scum, but don't want to say definitely townie so soon. I just played in RTP with him and he seems to be playing rather similarly, so if I had to pick I'd say town.

Restraining Order: Very difficult to read, so I'll wait to see more of him and on him.

StrongandBig: Actually looks like he could be scum. Playing very differently than he did in RTP and I agree with the cases made on him. He seems to be playing a typical earlygame conservative scum strategy, skirting discussion and leading people in the wrong direction. I'll slap my vote on him for now.

##Vote: StrongandBig

Safe side of what?

If you're town, why do you need to be on the safe side of ANYTHING? Just state your opinion, and then either reevaluate when necessary or be wrong. Its scum who are worried about how their reads make them look.

You scum?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Shelvocke
Profile Joined March 2013
Grenada70 Posts
April 07 2013 05:56 GMT
#1239
On April 07 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote:
I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well.

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 05:10 Shelvocke wrote:
On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.

What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).

What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP.


^Mafia

He's either not reading the thread at all or he's trying to fake a contribution as the idea that he brings up is one that has been repeated by a bunch of other players and is crap anyway. Additionally, VisceraEyes is known for taking ridiculous shots himself and doing whatever he feels like as town so it's very out of character for him to suggest that these types of players should be auto-lynched.
VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games.

Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out.


It's not about VE not recommending how he plays to others. I would understand if he just said the "hold off on kp". It's about the fact that he takes an aspect of play that is much more associated with town players (being rash with KP) and something that he does himself so frequently and says that these players should be auto-lynched. He should be well aware that town players are the ones who fall into stuff like that after being lynched himself so much for things like that. I don't see any town motivations behind his attitude there.
Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
April 07 2013 05:56 GMT
#1240
Sinani, that type of post makes me want to unvote SnB.

Sinani.. opinion on Raypelikoneet. gogogo
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