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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 07 2013 11:29 yamato77 wrote: Anyone who doesn't want to kill Palmar is scum? Or anyone who disagrees that YOU want to kill Palmar is scum? I are confused.I wanna kill Palmar. ##Vote Palmar Anyone who disagrees with me is scum. | ||
yamato77
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austinmcc
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The only real thing I've seen brought up about Palmar is his post count being higher than in previous PYP games. That was an interested find, but so many have been throwaway complaint posts that I don't even know they count for anything. Why do you want him to be the D1 lynch? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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yamato77
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He wants you to believe he doesn't care and is reading the game, but is obviously making an effort to post, even if his posts say absolutely nothing. Town Palmar trolls or scumhunts. This Palmar is doing neither. Let's kill him. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:15 yamato77 wrote: Things to look into before voting him on that basis!Does town Palmar try to look involved at all if he doesn't care about the game? Especially whether he was active in pre-games of past PYPs! | ||
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austinmcc
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Keirathi
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raynpelikoneet: I just got out of RED Team (click link for his filter) with a town rayn, so my expectations of his town play are still in the forefront of my mind. And some very obvious things aren't matching up: 1) Progression of reads: I'm not going to quote every instance, but something really sticks out to me: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's with the ninja vote marv? On March 26 2013 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you assume i was serious in the first place? On March 26 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: A good question. After all it was prplhz who disappeared, not me. On March 26 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: S&B: I never said i wasn't serious with my vote. I asked marv why does he assume i am serious. Something he also failed to answer. On March 26 2013 10:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason i asked the question from marv was this post: He had voted me because i "overreacted" to prplhz. How does me asking "what's with the ninja vote?" make him change his vote to a stupid policy lynch? On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this: If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave? If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia). On March 27 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Besides this i havn't attacked people. I questioned marv and Keirathi. Keirathi told me why i was wrong in prplhz-defending-thingy, i agreed i was wrong and let it go. I questioned marv because i wanted him to do stuff. I agree with his reads/observations when he presented them and it makes me think he is town for now. He still didn't answer my question about the start of the game but because everyone seems to think it's irrelevant it probably is and i'm not going to sidetrack the discussion by screaming about it over and over again. Try again Cora. What you'll see is a direct thought process and how rayn's read progresses. He played like this for the entire game: see something he thinks is scummy, questions it, discusses it, and then either votes or moves on to something else. Or even just see something he finds scummy, dissects it, and makes a case. He's trying to figure out the game, and engaging people trying to get comments on his points/comment on their points/doing whatever he can to help town. Now let's look at this game: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2013 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You seem to be disagreeing with me here. What is wrong in what i said? On April 05 2013 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: 3 scum reads: Caller, RO, Oats. On April 05 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: RO is failing to contribute to the plans provided pre-picking phase by " lolololollllll, i sent my numbers, can't change, fu all,, i don't need to do shit.." Kill him. On April 05 2013 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is bad town or scum. Artanis is .. hmm.. idk.. sharrant almost definitely town. deconduo, leaning on scum at him. RO = scum. kill him <3 Etc, etc. This is how his reads "progress" with every single person that he's called scum. He just pulls their name out of thin air. Maybe makes up some justification for it, maybe not. VE/RO/Caller/me/austin/BM/etc etc. He's called ~half of the people in the game scum for little to no reasoning. And those reads swing extremely wildly. Over half of the people he randomly calls scum are people that conveniently happen to already be under some suspicion/pressure. And some extremely strange flip-flops. You'll notice up there in the quote spoiler, he was calling Caller scum for most of the game. Then: Where did this come from? It makes no sense, because I don't see anything major that Caller changed, except he started pushing me. Or maybe that's the sense it makes; he stopped calling Caller scum once Caller started calling one of his "scum reads" scum (aka me). Which was my point to begin with: his reads just change when they're convenient to change. Not when he has sufficient reasons for changing them. Which is extremely different from everything about how he played in RED. 2) "The Plan": This point has already been talked about a bit, but I think it deserves a bit more attention. On April 05 2013 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. They should pick whatever they feel is best for the town. It's beneficial to town to have as many upper slots as possible. In one PYP i remember mafia!Chezinu picking CPRdoctor as ~#22. FUCKING CPRdoctor @ #22!!! There needs to be some cooperation in the picks, but it can't be too obvious or it's advantageous to mafia. If someone of us is mafia it doesn't matter, we need to be responsible for our actions regarding our role anyways. Notice what he says. People in the top picks need to have some kind of cooperation towards denying roles/picking strong roles. However, once he got his spot in the top 5, what happened to that cooperation? It was non-existent. He didn't even try. Town rayn in RED was cooperative and attempting to help town win all the way until end game, even when it meant he couldn't win himself (he had a dumb alternate win-con that involved killing a bunch of townies). He realized that he couldn't shoot us, or town as a whole would lose. So he sacrificed his own win-con and didn't shoot on the last night. Which makes me question this: On April 05 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is absolytely the best plan and the only one i'm going to support. We just need to find out what the roles are that we put to 1-4, 5-8, etc. On April 05 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also support Vivax' idea if i get to be #1, Geript #2, and yamato, Mocsta, Sharrant #3-#5. "This is the only plan I will support!" "Oh wait, no. I'll support the plan that directly benefits me, even though I just said the other one was super good." He doesn't even explain why that plan is better than geript's. Just that suddenly, since the new plan gives him a free shot at the top 5, he would rather push that one. But also notice how in the quote about the cooperation, he says "I don't think the players who are going to pick first should be limited to X number of roles. They should pick whatever they feel is best for the town." Which begs the question: why the fuck did he say that he thought geript's plan was absolutely the best plan, then turn around and say that he thinks that plan is dumb just *ONE* hour later?? I can understand liking a plan, pushing it, then liking another plan better. But he completely flip flops by saying a plan is good, then almost immediately saying "no that plan is bad". It all just reeks of posturing to benefit himself, rather than what he legitimately thinks is the "best". TL;DR: Strange reads with no progression or reasoning, uncooperative, excessive posturing to attempt to get himself in the top picks. Rayn is scum. ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:15 yamato77 wrote: Does town Palmar try to look involved at all if he doesn't care about the game? I'll look back at some other games, but it doesn't seem all that different from Hydra/RED Team. Comments on rayn? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'm avoiding talking about the spammers right now since we have so many. Not good lynches, IMO. | ||
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yamato77
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On April 07 2013 12:22 austinmcc wrote: Things to look into before voting him on that basis! Especially whether he was active in pre-games of past PYPs! You fail to understand what I'm saying. Town Palmar doesn't give fucks, sure, but he doesn't make a point of telling the thread multiple times that he doesn't give a fuck. He's better than any of you guys' lynchbait options. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote: He spams I'm avoiding talking about the spammers right now since we have so many. Not good lynches, IMO. You're right, He does spam. But even that is such a huge difference from his town play (although I will admit I haven't read XXXIX or whatever game he was scum in). His MENTALITY is just so different though. I just can't see how such a drastic change in playstyle is possible in ~3 days or whatever since RED ended. And I said I would go look back at other Palmar games and get back to you. | ||
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yamato77
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As of right now, I'm just putting him in an "ignore" category. I don't feel like his random spam and stupid comments are alignment indicative. | ||
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yamato77
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On April 07 2013 12:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar never had a plan. He lied to make people talk and that's alignment null. Palmar bad lynch today. I must have missed this. What did Palmar lie about, exactly? I'm talking about the cognitive dissonance between what he says and what he's doing. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 07 2013 12:34 yamato77 wrote: You fail to understand what I'm saying. Town Palmar doesn't give fucks, sure, but he doesn't make a point of telling the thread multiple times that he doesn't give a fuck. He's better than any of you guys' lynchbait options. Okay, so I did go back and look at Palmar. Particularly his town play in PYP: Redux, and even flipped through a few of his scum games. From PYP: Redux, he had a couple of posts saying that he wasn't reading the thread/everything was spam/the pick phase was unimportant. Granted, not nearly as many as he has here, but why does it make him scum this time? And on top of that, I just don't see the sentiment in his scum play either. So again: why, specifically, is this a scumtell for Palmar? Looking through his filter this game, I just don't see anything I find particularly alignment indicative. It's just a bunch of bullshit that he is perfectly capable of as either alignment. I'm much more interested in who he pushes and why. | ||
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yamato77
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