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On April 07 2013 10:01 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm seeing a pattern emergy, though
Sharrant calls out Keirathi
> gets a wagon on him started
>Keirathi shows up
Strong and Big gets FoSed
>posts 10 minutes later
all these lameo excuses
When VE was being attacked, persecuted... no... harassed... over his failure to contribute on DAY ZERO, and his lack of a solid case/scumhunting... he doesn't show up
no excuses, nothing. There's no way he's scum. The VE I know would be flailing as scum right now... this guy is just... not here. It's like he is a husk of the player that I have seen on this site before.
VE just completely disappeared and didn't even try to fight his lynch when he was scum in Hydra.
Bad heuristic if that's what you're using to judge if VE is town or not.
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Yeah, after reading his filter again
## Vote strongandbig
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On April 07 2013 10:05 Bill Murray wrote:
I wasn't in "Hydra", bub
I know you weren't. I'm just telling you that it wouldn't be unheard of for a scum VE to give up. And town VE could/has done it too. Not alignment indicative.
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I want to expound on your post, truly, because I do not use common sense with my voting. A rule of thumb applies to the width of my stick as I beat you with my women. That's what they used that term with... it was how big a stick you were allotted to beat your wife with. You all can take your "heuristic" and shove it up your asses. If you don't want to put in the hours to deduce what the occam's razor you need to tread on in the situation is, everything you're doing is emotional WIFOM. "oh the heuristic here..." shut the fuck up. I don't want shortcuts, I want a scum lynch.
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On April 07 2013 10:06 deconduo wrote:
Yeah, after reading his filter again
## Vote strongandbig
omg now noone is going to think i started this wagon
oh well
##votestrongandbig
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Countdown: 1
Okay, a couple of things:
1) Some of you have "voted" apparently but haven't posted in the voting thread (here) Don't be lazy guys
2) In my next post I'll post my main scumread, make a case against him, etc. Hopefully it can get something more out of you guys (in terms of content), as well as hopefully netting us one scum
3) Wow, BM is putting quite a lot of effort it seems, at least much more than what I remember (specially in contrast with other games of his, like LIII). That's pleasantly surprising 
4) Although kind Ignore this post since it's just filler to ramp up the number of my posts >_>
Your trully,
gonzaw the One
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On April 07 2013 10:11 gonzaw wrote:Countdown: 1 Okay, a couple of things:1) Some of you have "voted" apparently but haven't posted in the voting thread ( here) Don't be lazy guys 2) In my next post I'll post my main scumread, make a case against him, etc. Hopefully it can get something more out of you guys (in terms of content), as well as hopefully netting us one scum 3) Wow, BM is putting quite a lot of effort it seems, at least much more than what I remember (specially in contrast with other games of his, like LIII). That's pleasantly surprising 4) Although kind Ignore this post since it's just filler to ramp up the number of my posts >_> Your trully,
gonzaw the One
I swear that voting thread didn't exist 30 seconds ago. Also what's with the countdown?
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On April 07 2013 10:15 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 10:11 gonzaw wrote:Countdown: 1 Okay, a couple of things:1) Some of you have "voted" apparently but haven't posted in the voting thread ( here) Don't be lazy guys 2) In my next post I'll post my main scumread, make a case against him, etc. Hopefully it can get something more out of you guys (in terms of content), as well as hopefully netting us one scum 3) Wow, BM is putting quite a lot of effort it seems, at least much more than what I remember (specially in contrast with other games of his, like LIII). That's pleasantly surprising 4) Although kind Ignore this post since it's just filler to ramp up the number of my posts >_> Your trully,
gonzaw the One I swear that voting thread didn't exist 30 seconds ago. Also what's with the countdown?
idk and I can't sleep I'm so excited.
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EBWOP: Oh nevermind, I see your postcount.
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Palmar is all like
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is it time to kill peeps yet? no? back to sleep i go~
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why hasn't the dude who's assassin shot yet? worst case confirm a townie, best case, kill scum.
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"yo, bm, i'm useful even when not reading"
touche
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Alright so like I said earlier, I have a pretty strong scum read on Shevlocke and here’s why.
On April 04 2013 12:44 Shelvocke wrote:
Pick what you want when you want. By making a list and saying "no townie pick these", all you do is allow mafia to pick up extremely strong roles at the end of the draft. Trying to deny roles by directly assigning specific numbered spots is even worse due to the sheer number of roles that can steal, copy, or redirect. This isn't even considering the fact that there are too many strong mafia roles to deny all of them.
On April 04 2013 13:19 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:
I kind of like the idea of town "assigning" certain roles to people. I think most of town should be able to agree on 1-2 decent townreads to deny mafia roles with. It's also very hard for mafia to BE a top townread of an entire thread, so there's that.
It does depend somewhat on picking order, and people's compliance with this plan, however. We don't know ho effective it could be, our townreads might be at the bottom of the list where it is too late to make a REAL difference, and the top of the list is all lurkers/null reads. Lettuce ask a very simple question here. How does one assign a role to a player who could conceivably pick at any spot?
On April 04 2013 13:23 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:05 Sharrant wrote:
There are 3 roles that can copy or misdirect powers, one is thief and it's already in my list of powers we need to deny. Another is role swapper, and that's not nearly as powerful, and it is entirely possible that it would just act as an extended role block if we can determine who the role swapper is right away. Framer is concerning because it can direct actions, but at worst it means that they get one of the denied roles for as long as the framer can stay alive and untouched by town actions.
The "sheer number" of roles that can steal copy or redirect is exactly 3. 1 of which I say we should deny, another very weak, only one is a credible threat to town in my plan supposing they pick it.
There are several other roles that can cause problems for people who roleclaim, and you would do very well to think about that. You also have not noticed one of the most dangerous combinations in this game that prevents plans like the one you have.
On April 04 2013 13:42 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 13:33 Sharrant wrote:On April 04 2013 13:23 Shelvocke wrote:On April 04 2013 13:05 Sharrant wrote:
There are 3 roles that can copy or misdirect powers, one is thief and it's already in my list of powers we need to deny. Another is role swapper, and that's not nearly as powerful, and it is entirely possible that it would just act as an extended role block if we can determine who the role swapper is right away. Framer is concerning because it can direct actions, but at worst it means that they get one of the denied roles for as long as the framer can stay alive and untouched by town actions.
The "sheer number" of roles that can steal copy or redirect is exactly 3. 1 of which I say we should deny, another very weak, only one is a credible threat to town in my plan supposing they pick it.
There are several other roles that can cause problems for people who roleclaim, and you would do very well to think about that. You also have not noticed one of the most dangerous combinations in this game that prevents plans like the one you have. I'm interested to hear this combination. I can see many ways that scum would be able to kill a player knowing their role. Yes, having an extractor AND BloodyCobbler would net them 1 kill per cycle extra. But that's for 2 roles, as opposed to having an assassin and saying "green" every single time and getting 1 kill per cycle extra for only a single role. Now, there are combinations I haven't mentioned because I didn't want to give anyone ideas, if you're thinking of anything involving the politician, there's a good chance I've thought of that as well, there are ways to stop that. But if you think there's something that is specifically of horrendous consequence for this plan, please do elaborate. If this plan is bad I would like you to change my mind, otherwise I would like to change yours. I'm going to bed now, if I get bored I might wander back and read more, but that's doubtful. Good night, everyone. I hope you're all as excited for the draft as I am. As far as I know, that's not how assassin works. It requires the person to either say "Red" or their role name. I'd rather not share what the combination is, as it's a bit unusual and I doubt if anyone on mafia will be easily able to figure it out. But the fact that I was able to think of it definitely means that someone else might also recognize it.
On April 05 2013 04:09 Shelvocke wrote:
The reason why this plan is awful goes beyond how well you can identify 5 town reads 16 hours in when setup is the only thing to talk about (which is simply pitifully if you arent aware). There is simply no way to force people to pick specific numbers. I wont be following it.
What do these posts have in common? They are all worthless. Now this wouldn’t be such a problem except that he also has these posts:
On April 05 2013 11:17 Shelvocke wrote:
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How the hell am I below mocsta.
On April 07 2013 06:44 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 06:40 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2013 06:36 geript wrote:On April 07 2013 06:35 Ghor wrote:
Can everyone put the numbers he sent to the hosts into his signature so I can rebuild the list without digging for needles in the haystack? There is no need for you to keep them secret if you are town.
Stop this. The time for doing this is over. There is no reason to suspect people solely based off of the numbers they supposedly picked. Don't waste anyone's time with bull like that. No, two scum won't pick the same numbers ever. It's valuable information. Unless you can give rational explanation you have no argument and only want to keep us in the dark. In Pick Your Power Insane, three mafia all picked the same first number. It's not a valid argument.
So there have been two options to speculate about worthless things so far (picking plans and who got what numbers), and shevlocke has jumped on them both. Does he have any reads? Thus far his one “scum read” is VE . His argument against VE is “he’s faking contributions by talking about irrelevant things” this is exactly what shevlocke himself has been doing which is ironic. So let’s quickly review, shevlocke has posted about both of the worthless topics the thread has discussed so far. On top of that, he accuses his only scum read of doing exactly what he himself is doing. Shevlocke is doing his best to blend in by providing “opinions” on the things that don’t matter and his one read is completely worthless.
We’re not too far into day 1 but I want shevlocke’s name out there as a lynch candidate.
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I was just thinking about a case on Caller. He, in the past, has been one to skirt deadlines as scum. Him claiming that has me raising my eyebrows.
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11589 Posts
I wanna kill Palmar.
##Vote Palmar
Anyone who disagrees with me is scum.
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I'm actually really digging that Shelvocke read. Yes, most of the posts are worthless, but the VE vote feels weak as well.
On April 06 2013 05:10 Shelvocke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just woke up and I have a fucking crazy idea.
What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size).
What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. ^Mafia He's either not reading the thread at all or he's trying to fake a contribution as the idea that he brings up is one that has been repeated by a bunch of other players and is crap anyway. Additionally, VisceraEyes is known for taking ridiculous shots himself and doing whatever he feels like as town so it's very out of character for him to suggest that these types of players should be auto-lynched. VE isn't reading/is faking a contribution. This can be scummy, but at this point in the game there are A LOT of players who fit that criteria. The second bit, VE being...hypocritical because he often is ridiculous and is suggesting people not be ridiculous is just dumb. I'm often an idiot. I don't suggest other people are. Some players are confusing/lurky, they don't suggest that other people be confusing/lurky. Heck, the VE personality in Personality 2 just poked at VE's claiming, which, if anything, should reinforce the idea that VE might not recommend to others that they play how he has in certain past games.
Half that two sentence read is just...badwrong. The other half is true of a number of players, with no reason given why VE is singled out.
And ze vote? On April 07 2013 05:55 Shelvocke wrote:
If VE isn't going to play, we kill him. He hasn't done anything to suggest that he is town and is avoiding discussing anything of value.
##Vote VisceraEyes
strongandbig also looks very likely to be mafia. In particular the fact that he considered the number picking strategy to be extremely important but then failed to provide any original thoughts is very suspect. He also seemed very concerned in his pregame posts about roles but didn't provide any insight about them after the game started. 24 hours later. Not important because he didn't vote earlier, he couldn't, but important because discussion of VE has popped up here and there throughout the thread during those 24 hours. Shelvocke, who has really only called out VE at this point (apart from asking gonzaw if his secret scumread was snb (which he now adds to)), doesn't seem to care about anything that's been posted about/by VE during those 24 hours. Note that he HAS followed up on snb, looks to have reread snb before making that post. But his vote post on VE has more meat, more indication that Shelvocke is scumhunting, when he brings up snb, not VE, who he is actually voting for.
Do not like.
##Vote: Shelvocke
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