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On April 07 2013 07:03 Shelvocke wrote: What about the case on Restraining Order did you like? A lot. I would say it contains irrefutable evidence of someone not believing what he claims to be thinking is best to believe. | ||
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1. Shelvocke just asked me about VE's case. That means he's well aware of it. Nonetheless he didn't comment on it despite it containing some very strong points in my opinion. I would expect someone to put his scumread's case under more scrutiny and ask him out about it, not sidebump at people agreeing with it. Ninjad, so: On April 07 2013 07:42 Shelvocke wrote: A lot of the points that he came up with, especially the "lol list scum" and the part about explaining why denying isn't a good strategy have nothing to do with Order's alignment and it appears as if he threw them in solely to inflate his post and make it look as if he is doing something. The point about the denying thing was good. It showed that RO was arguing for a town NOT arguing about how to design role picks, which is not only bad in itself, but is also a way to discourage discussion. As for the lolist, yeah, that maybe wasn't a strong point but I can see VE throwing that in while digging through the filter. The point about RO apparently mixing scumreads with his 4/5 townreads still applies and has not been addressed by you. 2. Sno_Man, draft numbers please. You also have one of the best roles out there so it would be interesting to know: Is it KP-based or not (it likely is). Did you take a scumrole, a neutral or a townrole? 3. Geript On April 06 2013 14:02 geript wrote: I don't know if he's town or not. I'm saying that from the looks of thread sentiment he looks like a great potential mislynch. I played Scum in The Game. That was the clear reference. Have you not been paying attention? If he looks like a great potential mislynch it should be in your interest to try the hardest to figure out his alignment no? Defending him isn't exactly the way to go. You say he could also be lazy scum, are you trying to get him to play in a way to exclude or confirm that possibility?No, you're doing the opposite. Also, draft numbers plox. | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:13 Sn0_Man wrote: I picked 1,1 I'm pretty sure I shared that. I wasn't in any hurry to share my role, although I understand I might just die N1 on principle since scum know I have something good. So you didn't deny a strong scum role since you say it's "good" and you didn't pick a survival role either cause you say you might die. What is it then? KP? I doubt it's investigative. If it's KP you have no reason to not share your role with town, it can also backfire. How is scum supposed to know your pick or assume it's strong? | ||
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This what you said, gonzaw: The thing about RO "wanting" to kill people he previously said would basically be town because of drafting picks is valid; but it's enough to pressure him not enough to make a "case" (specially considering your previous 2 "bad" points). Ultimately, the ONLY thing you can say against RO is that he wants to kill some people he previously said are likely town. It wouldn't be that bad if you kept pushing it (using RO's consequent reactions and responses as well) and didn't masquerade it with previously bad points. No, it's not the only thing. Already said it goes against what RO himself said about the heuristic he himself brought up and defended. RO's whole defense against VE's case was "lol", and Palmar still didn't explain what makes VE scum aside from activity (and I would like to see how he defines that one). | ||
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What made you change your mind about not considering the heuristic as useful, and why do you throw out "would-lynch-lists" without ever making a case? I do know who you are, but I respect smurfs who want to keep their identity secret. And I also know your meta differs from your last two scum games, but I also know that you know what I know about your scummeta. So I'll go with what I see in the thread instead of assuming you're town cause you're more active and less trolly than in those games. | ||
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Palmar? deconduo? VE Keirathi the same as many other players I think (Artanis, austin, ObviousOne) RO: And I would lynch all of those people. The early picks are a place of spotlight. It absolutely makes sense to avoid it. 2-3 people picking 8 could be done under the assumption that few townies would also do so, making it likely for ~half the mafia-team to land in the middle of draft picks - high enough to get decent roles, low enough to avoid spotlight. You mean you posted the exact opposite of what you said before? My question was: What made you change your mind. I'm reading properly here. And fyi, mafia has no way of knowing that a majority would pick 8 and place themselves purposely in there, same as the townies who landed in there didn't. | ||
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Comments on VE and his RO case? | ||
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Uh, dunno, let me think. Ah right, to know who agrees with me? You don't find him scummy, I deduce from your post? | ||
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That's cool then, why ask me that question? | ||
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On April 08 2013 00:43 deconduo wrote: Either you're not reading the thread at all or you are trying to bandwagon S+B without being blatantly obvious about it. Did you know several people have said he's scummy, and that he's was leading in votes when you posted that? You also gave no reasoning behind the post, it just came out of nowhere. That just screams bandwagon attempt to me. I didn't take count of those who found S & B scummy, it was just my quick evaluation upon reviewing his filter while looking for his draft numbers. He didn't tell us yet, like Caller and geript. No need for me to get a bandwagon starting when there already is one, apparently. + Show Spoiler + Sn0_man 1,1 obviousone [3][16] Raynpelikoneet [5] [1] Sinani206 [7][2] Visceraeyes 10 10 Geript strongandbig Caller restraining order 6 2 Meapak_ziphh 6 x ? artanis[xp] [11][1] sharrant [11] [9] gonzaw [8,2] Austinmcc [8][4] Keirathi 8x Palmar 8x Mocsta 8 12 Shelvocke 8 1 Deconduo 81 Vivax 8 1 Oatmaster 81 billmurray Yamato77 11,11 Not sent in | ||
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Sno_Man: Didn't deny mafia role, didn't pick survival role, probably KP-based stuff. He's not contributing spontaneously when he should feel imba and important if he was town, eager to get to make the right decision and hence collect information. Scum didn't try to take the 1 1 spots away from him. S & B was more active in Personality 2 where he pumped out a huge case early in the game. He doesn't seem particularly interested in finding scum at first glance so I'm waiting for him to show up and bring something to the table. RO is under scrutiny and I find his activity level scummy. I suppose he's lurking even now. He's trolly as town, but also more active. Hard to read cause he's a guy who doesn't give too much of a fuck as either alignment. | ||
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Since you have S & B as scumread, why did you look so skeptical towards my question? Would expect you to pop in and say: "Yeah I think he's totes scum too, vote him cause bsbsbsb, go read my case and shit, you're on the right track mate". Instead you didn't seem to happy about someone actually liking your own scumread, and even would have FOUND IT SCUMMY if I had been trying to start a bandwagon on him. What gives? | ||
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Your reason for finding me scummy isn't really consistent with you finding S & B scummy. Cause in that mindset, I don't think you would fear scum sneaking onto the bandwagon like you thought I was. | ||
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He said: On April 08 2013 01:34 deconduo wrote: I have no problem with you finding S+B scummy. The problem is in the way you phrased your post. 'Does anyone else find S+B scummy?' If you had been reading the thread, or looked at the voting thread you would KNOW this is the case. You are then essentially coming along and saying 'I want to lynch S+B, but lets make it look like I'm not jumping on the bandwagon.' Therefore: 1. You didn't read the thread OR 2. You are doing something incredibly scummy. You came back and verified that it was the first case, so I'm happy for now. To which I replied: It's weird, decon. Why would you expect scum to casually jump on a bus wagon against a buddy trying to look like they're not doing so? I actually thought that's what scum would attempt against townies, not scum. Your reason for finding me scummy isn't really consistent with you finding S & B scummy. Cause in that mindset, I don't think you would fear scum sneaking onto the bandwagon like you thought I was. He didn't just want to know "if I read the thread", he said exactly this. What I did doesn't play a role, it's in contrast to that certain mindset. | ||
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