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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:05 yamato77 wrote: I'm putting zero stock in your "association" cases. No, I won't talk about them. Its a direct comment from Artanis regarding somebody. You are the tunneled one. Nothing in your game has changed - unfortunately. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:10 Shelvocke wrote: Hey Keirathi. I'm not going to ask you again - why were you trying to say I could be the NRA member? Why did you say that I shot gonzaw? Still have yet to justify that. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:13 Mocsta wrote: Its a direct comment from Artanis regarding somebody. You are the tunneled one. Nothing in your game has changed - unfortunately. You're mafia. | ||
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Shelvocke
Grenada70 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:13 yamato77 wrote: Why did you say that I shot gonzaw? Still have yet to justify that. Because you didn't have any uncertainty after the shot, you just went straight for saying this definitely means we need to kill artanis. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:16 Shelvocke wrote: Because you didn't have any uncertainty after the shot, you just went straight for saying this definitely means we need to kill artanis. I guess I should have listened to myself, huh? | ||
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Shelvocke
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yamato77
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Shelvocke
Grenada70 Posts
On August 24 2012 02:03 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the...was that shot not claimed AGAIN? Scum must really be getting desperate. Was that a blue flip? It looked like it, but everything has been colored blue so I wanted to make sure... I'm down with a Wiggles lynch guys. BC died trying to get Wiggles lynched, and I think we should oblige him. ##Vote: Wiggles On August 28 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I killed BC. Would scum tell you that? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:10 Shelvocke wrote: Hey Keirathi. I'm not going to ask you again - why were you trying to say I could be the NRA member? For some reason I had you confused with sinani and above VE in the draft order. There was another post I read at the time (maybe austin?) that said something similar, and it just stuck in my head. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:22 Shelvocke wrote: You know what your reaction reminded me of yamato? It reminded me of this: That's not a good comparison, primarily because I didn't shoot gonzaw. And I bet Wiggles was town that game. | ||
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Shelvocke
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:23 Keirathi wrote: For some reason I had you confused with sinani and above VE in the draft order. There was another post I read at the time (maybe austin?) that said something similar, and it just stuck in my head. EBWOP: Ah, I found it. On April 09 2013 00:56 austinmcc wrote: I like to have fun. In all honesty, I'm considering VE. I still believe shelvocke to be mafia, and I like that lynch a lot. Much of the case on VE is that he hasn't been doing anything, which is NOT something that I expect from mafia-VE, honestly. However, it's not something that I expect from town-VE, especially if geript is telling the truth and SOMEONE up at the top is an NRA member (I agree with the sentiment that if someone at the top took that role, it's likely VE OR shelvocke (again, shelvocke is pretty clearly a smurf and people seem to be overlooking that)). Any reason in particular why I should lynch VE over shelvocke? I had just read that post before I started writing. It just stuck in my head. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
@Mocsta - I semi-disagree about sinani/Shelvocke. I don't think it makes them CONFIRMED town, but I do agree that the amount that Artanis wanted to lynch them compared to the amount he wanted to lynch VE does make it more likely that they are town. At the very least, they aren't good lynch candidates until much later in the game if they happen to still be alive. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:10 yamato77 wrote: + Show Spoiler + the pressure Artanis put on him was very high and meets the actual definition of a bus This is also patently false. He refused to vote him, even after calling him scum. That is not a full bus. Ok, what you said checks out. I got confused and thought he joined you. So yes, the point above is moot. I still think overall he is talking to a townie. Im happy to be proven wrong, but calling me dumb is not the way to do it. ======================================== + Show Spoiler [Artanis interactions] + On April 08 2013 17:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: *About Sinani* Why is he trying to be safe? It looks like he's trying hard to not call VE scum despite everything he typed prior to it leading up to it pointing towards wanting to call him scum, then calls him null in the end. Very questionable, and I'm curious to hear what he has to say about S&B since he's returned to the thread, something Sinani's conveniently ignored despite posting after S&B returned. He's just not bothered to comment on it altogether. Yeah I don't like Sinani at all. I dont treat this as Artanis referencing a scummer. To me, this looks like he is painting someone red, and keeping his options open (even if he voted someone else). I think this, because he used the same authoritative tone with me when talking about "questionable" behaviour in an attempt to cast doubt. Artanis approach this game is to throw a couple suspicious points in, and then let others fill in the blanks. This approach has clearly been taken with Sinani, and was the same with myself. Now I know Im town; I dont really care what you think about me - as I am in no ways a lynch candidate. This is my basis for Sinani being town. ======================================== Compare to when he gives his read on VE. On April 08 2013 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: VisceraEyes
I formatted this to a list style for ease of read Everything in the scum read is statement or fact based. Hes filling in the gaps, and theres a different tone. Its confident and self-assured; but rather than trying to cast suspicion, its simply "straight to the point" comments. In essence, there is no inherent guilt when giving this read. I think this approach is very different to how he calls out townies such as myself - and by corollary Sinani. ======================================== One last double check. Lets compare to his #1 scum read: Shelvocke On April 08 2013 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Shelvocke
He has tried to write dot point style agian. But the points here are more about nitpicking bad play. Whereas with VE he was actually calling out scummy play. Note he has VE as a scum read; but thinks it is scummy that Shelvocke wagons on VE?? Nice contradiction that noone caught prior. This clearly demonstrates a person trying to create arguments for why someone is scummy. ======================================== TL;DR When talking to players such as much/Sinani, Artanis tries to create arguments for "questionable' behaviour, to let others take the lead and call them out as scummy. His Geript case is another example of this. When talking about players like VE, Artanis is able to directly call out play he doesnt like; and isnt trying to cast doubt with his comments. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Well done. Im the guy with the 14 page filter that has been trying to get everyone involved, and solve the game together. Yes I love being active as scum; but i definitely dont try to solve the game this actively either. Congratulations Yamato; everyone is laughing at you in the ObsQT. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:20 yamato77 wrote: I was right...? No. you were right at one point in time. Then you retrenched. So you were wrong in the end. I moved from Artanis, because I thought NRA was a bigger risk and was worth lynching Day1. Thats being right. Ohh, let me guess. I'm scum and decided to bus both Artanis and VE. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'm on to you. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Quit having a shitfit and cluttering the thread with bullshit. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 09 2013 00:56 austinmcc wrote: In all honesty, I'm considering VE. I still believe shelvocke to be mafia, and I like that lynch a lot. Much of the case on VE is that he hasn't been doing anything, which is NOT something that I expect from mafia-VE, honestly. However, it's not something that I expect from town-VE, especially if geript is telling the truth and SOMEONE up at the top is an NRA member (I agree with the sentiment that if someone at the top took that role, it's likely VE OR shelvocke (again, shelvocke is pretty clearly a smurf and people seem to be overlooking that)). Kei, In the above. He likes Artanis major scum read: Shelvocke & gives a 50/50 on VE. Considering his position on Artanis: Do you read anything into this? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On April 09 2013 12:59 yamato77 wrote: + Show Spoiler + You did this exact sort of thing in Personality where you tried to pis me off. I'm on to you. Ohh cos as scum, we arent emulating town play.. Good one scum hunter extraordinaire. Kei said it best anyways: and im willing to redact my opinion to his one. i.e. confirmed town is too strong a word. - perhaps this is where the difference comes from. Likely town is a better phrase. Thats my best compromise. | ||
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