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On March 26 2013 08:12 Dandel Ion wrote: What a scummy bandwagon of scum. Hey Acro, come over here. Let's tunnel marv. It'll be fun. My name is Acro and I am a Vanilla Townie. Marv, however, is scum! | ||
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On March 26 2013 09:14 Grackaroni wrote: What scum motivations are there to claim that you haven't read your role PM? That makes no sense to me. Same as in Personality... and guess what, Ver was actually scum (although he didn't lie about not reading his role PM). It is a retarded approach to playing this game either way. Also, scum will know automagically, because they will eventually get spammed by PMs from their teammates, so even if he is trying some new and improved way of playing like an idiot, the "you have 18 new PMs" should clue him into the fact that he is scum. If town, all he's doing is playing like a derp because he doesn't know if he's blue or not. | ||
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On March 26 2013 09:25 Palmar wrote: ##Vote: ObviousOne ![[image loading]](http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad148/traceyw_2010/animated%20smilies/1lg116ninja.gif) | ||
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On March 26 2013 09:28 Nisani201 wrote: I highly doubt that there are people who haven't read their role PMs. I did that in Personality and it turned out Ver had in fact not read his role PM. And I did it as scum, when I knew Ver was not in the scumQT. I STILL found it a reason to start up pressure on him. I learned. I adjusted: they are not automatically scum. They are just idiots to be ignored. | ||
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In both cases, lynching them would have been equivalent to a random lynch. I don't feel like random lynching, so lets find scum instead and IGNORE OO until he starts playing the damn game like a normal player. I don't think ANYTHING that has happened so far says anything about anybody's alignment... except Marv, whose very existence proves he's scum. | ||
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Why do you feel prplhz's posting is scummy? | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote: I love how everyone: Actually believes that OO hasn't read his role pm. and Is now going to talk about meta reads even when Ace just posted a thread saying meta reads should not be followed. -slow claps- 1. Do you believe OO read his role PM? If you don't believe it, then how can you see anything townie about it? 2. Ace is not god and I disagree with his opinion about meta. | ||
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On March 26 2013 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: 1) I policy lynch people who don't read their role PM because it's incredibly anti-town. 2) My name is Hapa. 3) I am a pink unicorn. ##Vote ObviousOne Wait. This is something I do NOT understand. Why is not reading your role PM anti-town? It is stupid. Yes. But: If town, you are, at worst, missing out on a blue role. Given that town should never rely on blue roles (they are helpful, but what should win the game for town is the lynch) and assuming you play as a townie, if you haven't read your role PM, you are still contributing your most important contribution to town. If scum, you are not town. Therefore, if you are playing like a townie, you are (potentially) playing against your own wincon. That is fucking fantastic for town. The downside, of course, is that you are not playing like scum, and it is therefore hard for townies to find you. But a D1 policy lynch sounds pretty stupid. If 3P, you are not town, so if you are playing like a townie, that is great for town, and possibly not so great for you (depending on wincon) Therefore, if Hapa BELIEVES OO is not reading his role PM, then he should NOT be trying to lynch him. The reason for wanting to lynch someone who claims not to have read his role PM, is because you don't believe him (and the only reason to lie about not having read your role PM is because you're scum trying to spread chaotic misinformation). Hapa should know this. Hapa, explain why you are policy voting OO? | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:14 strongandbig wrote: If he was going to be true to his ideal, he should either have apple posting and waited until someone said something he could comment on in a worthwhile way, or he should have made an effort to do some legitimate analysis on something that was in the thread. You should always be making the best case you can make, even if best isn't very good yet. 2 posts into the game, prplhz should be making cases... right. I believe the aim for the first few pages of D1 is always to create discussion. Different people do that differently. I see nothing inherently scummy about the way prplhz did that this game. As for going against his own advice: we can sit here and debate prplhz, but I have never seen him spam up the thread. Chances are we'll be calling him a borderline lurker before too long. So a few fluff posts at the start of the game don't contradict his wish for a short and well-reasoned-out thread. | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? No. There is NEVER a reason to allow bad reasoning to run rampant in the thread. | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:34 Hapahauli wrote: Sure it is. It means that you can post without being held accountable for anything that you post. It provides a ton of misleading information and promotes people trolling for the hell of it. I've had to deal with this in the last few games I've played and quite frankly I'm sick of it. With the rather serious risk of bussing your teammates. If he trolls and does nothing useful, then we lynch him THEN. I see no reason to policy lynch. I will DEFINITELY hold him accountable for everything he posts. | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:41 cDgCorazon wrote: My comment about the meta reads was directed at this post: + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2013 09:42 Acrofales wrote: Lets put it this way: the only people with any reason to lie about not having read their role PM are scum. However, given my experiences, the 2 previous times I encountered this phenomenon, the player had in fact not read his role PM. Once was Drazerk, so good luck figuring out his motives. And the other was Ver in Personality 2, who was trying some new and improved way of playing, which failed miserably due to time constraints. In both cases, lynching them would have been equivalent to a random lynch. I don't feel like random lynching, so lets find scum instead and IGNORE OO until he starts playing the damn game like a normal player. I don't think ANYTHING that has happened so far says anything about anybody's alignment... except Marv, whose very existence proves he's scum. I've been saying the whole time that the whole thing about OO was silly. It was relevant when I said it, and it was relevant when I read a few more posts and saw people still talking about it. I'm trying to get people to actually take this seriously. Unlike Rayn, who made a joke vote but called it serious and has gone on to attack 3 separate people and back down when they decide to actually put up a fight against Rayn. It's timid scummy play. @Rayn: Who is the scummiest player here so far and why? But there WAS NO META THERE. I never once said OO is town because he did that, or scum. I just gave previous examples of people doing that and not lying about it, and therefore it should be ignored until OO starts playing the damn game. I said: I choose to believe OO this time, and will therefore ignore everything he says until I can make a read on him, taking into account that he may, in fact, not have read his role PM. However, if you BELIEVE OO is lying about not having read his role PM; you should really be in favour of lynching him. The ONLY reason to LIE about this, is because he's scum. There is no townie reason to lie and say you have not read your role PM. Your weird stance on the matter is setting all number of alarmbells off. | ||
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On March 26 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote: Hello thread. I have concluded that Grackaroni is scum. Please lynch him. ##Vote Grackaroni I don't believe you. ##vote Palmar | ||
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On March 26 2013 11:00 Palmar wrote: No you didn't, in fact this sentence cannot possibly be true, since the latter part "so I did too" implies that you voted based on my vote, and thus you have a reason, which contradicts your first sentence that claims there is no reason to either vote. While true, it is an entirely pointless post to make, just as everything you have done so far, including your initial ninja-vote on the flavour-of-the-day. | ||
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On March 26 2013 12:49 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I've read Dandel as town and he usually attempts to justify his actions more so than he is here. Perhaps that's not your perception of him, but I will check again to see. Regardless, you seem a little too content to let him do nothing but troll this game. Your faith that he is going so magically do something different than he has so far is misplaced, in my opinion. Meh. Later in the game. No alarm bells have gone off yet. DI will spam fluff regardless of alignment. Later on in D1 and as the game continues I expect more from him. Voting for him now is basically a policy lynch on his playstyle. Imho, there is nothing indicative of alignment from him so far. What do you think of Palmar? | ||
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I am more interested in returning to Smurf. His position on DI just seems too glib. Not sure how to say it differently, but the read feels forced and there is something weird about how he backs down from it so easily. What he says about Palmar hits about right, although I am more cautious. Meh, I need more info. Smurf, what is your opinion on Hapa? | ||
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Anyway, town Marv WILL be productive if you leave him to do his thing. I think that that is pretty much proven. | ||
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