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Still don't like Keir/Cora, but whatever, Cora tunnels me all fucking day every fucking game, so I'll ignore them for the time being. It's lylo-type stuff anyway, with their claim and all.
Acro smells like mafia. You can say his play is different from Personality, but his read on me is simply an echo of things people have said before at an opportune time to throw all kinds of suspicion on me in the midst of you calling for my head tomorrow. I want to look more into the Nisani/Acro ordeal and actually figure out what was going on there, because his town flip makes me more inclined to think Acro might actually be mafia who OMGUS'd a townie.
You guys are talking a lot about SNB, and it is true that he is far less townish than I read him at a similar point in time during personality. I've never experienced scum SNB, but I'll take my look at some of those games out of curiosity when I have time later, and make my own decision.
I am also taking an interest in rayn, because I'm not sure where his reads are at right now, and I feel like he's in a group of players who really didn't do a whole lot day 1 but push a single read and then consolidate with town in the end.
Dandel looked better to me earlier, but his general disinterest in town's affairs and his lackadaisical mafia read of me concerns me. At first it felt like he was just OMGUSing me out of surprise, but he's stuck with it and not done much else, which is quite bad. Under no pressure, he fails to even engage in the thread beyond one-liners and calling me/snb scum, so the possibility exists that he is just lurky mafia riding off the back of everyone calling him likely-town in response to my case on him.
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That post suggests that Palmar is leaning scum on Rayn and not much else.
Palmar's a bit of a wild-card for me right now. He did promise to post some reads though, so I wnat to take a look at those before I make a judgement call on him.
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On March 29 2013 03:35 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 03:28 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding Marv
He feels better. I liked his reads and observations overall. Nothing seems forced, and he brought up a really good point about SnB (Chrono Trigger Mafia) that I hadn't thought of.
I'm not convinced he's town namely because of his relative passivity. He seems to have an excuse for it though, so w/e.
Keep an eye on him, but definitely not a lynch candidate for tomorrow.
I was going to save this for deadline, but I'm starting to have some doubts now too, so talk about him with me now. My biggest problem with marv is that he ostensibly had Smurf in his top scum reads for the entirety of day 1 (well, since page 18?ish). But never did anything to push him. At all. He put much more effort into pushing Nisani, but went so far as saying that the lynch should be between Smurf and Nisani (which was before I was #1 guaranteed mafia out of nowhere). But still, he did nothing at all to push Smurf, and only focused on Nisani. Well for the record, marv is null, and mayyyyybe slightly-town to me. The passivity really gets to me, but otherwise his play has been aiiiiight. No one really pushed Smurf yesterday. I mean its certainly points against marv, but that's not a compelling reason to lynch him. Thing with marv right now is that there are three people I want to see dead far before him (Yamato, SnB, Sinani), and I've been pleased by marv's contributions to each of their cases. And the best way to figure out if marv is scum or not is to see some of those guys flip.
The bolded is irrelevant. We're not talking about everyone, we're talking about marv. He said multiple times that Smurf was one of his top scum read and never pushed to get him lynched, even in the slightest. Does that jive with what you know about how marv plays?
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On March 29 2013 03:39 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 03:35 Hapahauli wrote:On March 29 2013 03:28 Keirathi wrote:On March 29 2013 03:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding Marv
He feels better. I liked his reads and observations overall. Nothing seems forced, and he brought up a really good point about SnB (Chrono Trigger Mafia) that I hadn't thought of.
I'm not convinced he's town namely because of his relative passivity. He seems to have an excuse for it though, so w/e.
Keep an eye on him, but definitely not a lynch candidate for tomorrow.
I was going to save this for deadline, but I'm starting to have some doubts now too, so talk about him with me now. My biggest problem with marv is that he ostensibly had Smurf in his top scum reads for the entirety of day 1 (well, since page 18?ish). But never did anything to push him. At all. He put much more effort into pushing Nisani, but went so far as saying that the lynch should be between Smurf and Nisani (which was before I was #1 guaranteed mafia out of nowhere). But still, he did nothing at all to push Smurf, and only focused on Nisani. Well for the record, marv is null, and mayyyyybe slightly-town to me. The passivity really gets to me, but otherwise his play has been aiiiiight. No one really pushed Smurf yesterday. I mean its certainly points against marv, but that's not a compelling reason to lynch him. Thing with marv right now is that there are three people I want to see dead far before him (Yamato, SnB, Sinani), and I've been pleased by marv's contributions to each of their cases. And the best way to figure out if marv is scum or not is to see some of those guys flip. The bolded is irrelevant. We're not talking about everyone, we're talking about marv. He said multiple times that Smurf was one of his top scum read and never pushed to get him lynched, even in the slightest. Does that jive with what you know about how marv plays?
Hence why I'm not convinced he's town. It's more his recent posting that gives me townie vibes. Anyway as I said, I need to see some more flips before I could commit to lynching him.
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On March 29 2013 03:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Still don't like Keir/Cora, but whatever, Cora tunnels me all fucking day every fucking game, so I'll ignore them for the time being. It's lylo-type stuff anyway, with their claim and all.
Do you think they're scum or not? You've been ranting about how they're fake-claiming mason for some time now. "Whatever I guess I'll ignore them for now" is facepalm-worthy.
Acro smells like mafia. You can say his play is different from Personality, but his read on me is simply an echo of things people have said before at an opportune time to throw all kinds of suspicion on me in the midst of you calling for my head tomorrow. I want to look more into the Nisani/Acro ordeal and actually figure out what was going on there, because his town flip makes me more inclined to think Acro might actually be mafia who OMGUS'd a townie.
Captian-meta is ignoring Acro's scum-meta and pointing out objectively scummy things in his filter. That's what I was ranting to you two nights ago about prplhz.
You guys are talking a lot about SNB, and it is true that he is far less townish than I read him at a similar point in time during personality. I've never experienced scum SNB, but I'll take my look at some of those games out of curiosity when I have time later, and make my own decision.
Doesn't say much, but w/e, do what you need to do.
I am also taking an interest in rayn, because I'm not sure where his reads are at right now, and I feel like he's in a group of players who really didn't do a whole lot day 1 but push a single read and then consolidate with town in the end.
He pushed OO quite a bit, did he not?
Dandel looked better to me earlier, but his general disinterest in town's affairs and his lackadaisical mafia read of me concerns me. At first it felt like he was just OMGUSing me out of surprise, but he's stuck with it and not done much else, which is quite bad. Under no pressure, he fails to even engage in the thread beyond one-liners and calling me/snb scum, so the possibility exists that he is just lurky mafia riding off the back of everyone calling him likely-town in response to my case on him.
"Possibly mafia" isn't a very satisfying opinion about Dandel.
So presumably these are all your suspicions in the thread. Do you have a town-read on everyone else then?
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On March 29 2013 03:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Still don't like Keir/Cora, but whatever, Cora tunnels me all fucking day every fucking game, so I'll ignore them for the time being. It's lylo-type stuff anyway, with their claim and all.
You still never explained why I was scum. From what I can gather, its because I disagreed with you about prplhz being 100% town, and then because I attacked you becuase you believed he was 100% town when you shouldn't have.
You seem to be Mr. Meta this game. You've given meta reads on 4(?) different players, but refuse with me. Why is that?
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EBWOP:
Also, you said I was the townier of the two of us. So, if I'm scum, why did I name Cora as my mason partner, instead of a different teammate who didn't look so bad? I was the one getting lynched, not Cora. Or, even better, why didn't I claim a different role that didn't tie myself to a teammate at all?
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Town:
Prplhz
Hapa
Palmar
Oats
OO
Null:
Rayn
Marv
Sinani
SNB
Mafia:
Acro
Dandel
Ignore:
Cora/Keir
Yes, I'm going to ignore them. I'm suspicious of them, but do you really want me going around tomorrow making cases on Corazon, the claimed mason? Waste of time, even if I am right. No one is going to listen to me.
The difference between Acro and prplhz is that you don't read prplhz by how "objectively scummy" he is, while you can certainly do that with a more active and engaged person like Acro. Meta matters more in prplhz' case.
And yes, Dandel is possibly mafia. While it apparently isn't "satifying" to you, it's how I view him at this point, because of how little he's done since all of what went on. Did I not specifically tell you this might happen, should he not be put under pressure?
Rayn did push OO, and that's about it. It was a hard push, but I'm nowhere near convinced that the guy is mafia. As you guys have been pointing out, a look into the last game he played as mafia gives you the impression that he struggles to post as mafia, which is nothing like the impression I get from his filter here. He is giving a clear effort, and is actually looking into objectively good things to be looking at, like the Nisani/Acro ordeal.
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Yes, I'm going to ignore them. I'm suspicious of them, but do you really want me going around tomorrow making cases on Corazon, the claimed mason? Waste of time, even if I am right. No one is going to listen to me.
"No one is going to listen to me therefore I wont' bother making a case" is the last thing I'd ever expect to hear from town-Yamato.
Pushing cases against-all-odds is kinda your thing.
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And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it.
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On March 29 2013 03:53 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP:
Also, you said I was the townier of the two of us. So, if I'm scum, why did I name Cora as my mason partner, instead of a different teammate who didn't look so bad? I was the one getting lynched, not Cora. Or, even better, why didn't I claim a different role that didn't tie myself to a teammate at all?
Cora, objectively, was not a bad choice for a scum Keirathi in that position to choose to claim mason with. If you're both scum, he was in very little danger of getting lynched, and indeed has been talked about very little since. People don't suspect him much, aside from me. Confirmed-town mason is also a very strong role to claim to get someone out of a lynch, as you've seen here. It works better than cop or doctor, because there are TWO people claiming it, and the likelihood of either of you being shot just for claiming mason with each other if you are town is quite low. It also lends him town-cred as well, which helps two mafia survive longer than a single-role claim would.
All in all, it's actually not that risky of a claim, both in the nature of the role itself, and in your choice of partner.
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On March 29 2013 03:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, I'm going to ignore them. I'm suspicious of them, but do you really want me going around tomorrow making cases on Corazon, the claimed mason? Waste of time, even if I am right. No one is going to listen to me. "No one is going to listen to me therefore I wont' bother making a case" is the last thing I'd ever expect to hear from town-Yamato. Pushing cases against-all-odds is kinda your thing.
I'm not 100% confident in my read on him. Like I said, he's tunneled me when we were both town twice in games past, so it's not THAT far out of the ordinary. The way he's done it is kinda different, but it's not enough to make me want to pursue him over my other reads tomorrow.
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You still have not discussed why Kei is scummy.
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On March 29 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote:
And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it.
Why would I do that? The lynch is over 2 days away. Plenty of time to make sure you guys don't act like idiots and lynch me.
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On March 29 2013 04:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote:
And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it. Why would I do that? The lynch is over 2 days away. Plenty of time to make sure you guys don't act like idiots and lynch me.
If I'm a vigi, you only have 3 hours to live.
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On March 29 2013 04:03 Hapahauli wrote:
You still have not discussed why Kei is scummy.
What concerns me about you is how little original thought you've put into this. It seems you're just riding off the trails of Hapa's accusations and arguments against me for quite a while now. What else besides this completely fucking wrong prplhz point makes me mafia? If you're going to call me your "top scumread" I want to hear it.
Why I found Keir scummy at the time. Attack me over something I'm right about, and have no other reason to call me mafia.
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On March 29 2013 04:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:03 Hapahauli wrote:
You still have not discussed why Kei is scummy. Show nested quote +What concerns me about you is how little original thought you've put into this. It seems you're just riding off the trails of Hapa's accusations and arguments against me for quite a while now. What else besides this completely fucking wrong prplhz point makes me mafia? If you're going to call me your "top scumread" I want to hear it. Why I found Keir scummy at the time. Attack me over something I'm right about, and have no other reason to call me mafia.
So you think he's scummy for attacking you? That's it?
Surely you have more than that.
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On March 29 2013 04:07 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 29 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote:
And if you have a role, I suggest you claim it. Why would I do that? The lynch is over 2 days away. Plenty of time to make sure you guys don't act like idiots and lynch me. If I'm a vigi, you only have 3 hours to live.
That would be a stupid decision, but I'm just Vanilla Town, bro.
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On March 29 2013 04:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:03 Hapahauli wrote:
You still have not discussed why Kei is scummy. Show nested quote +What concerns me about you is how little original thought you've put into this. It seems you're just riding off the trails of Hapa's accusations and arguments against me for quite a while now. What else besides this completely fucking wrong prplhz point makes me mafia? If you're going to call me your "top scumread" I want to hear it. Why I found Keir scummy at the time. Attack me over something I'm right about, and have no other reason to call me mafia.
But, that doesn't jive with everything you said about my in Hydra (assuming you are actually yamato, which you haven't directly said).
On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote:
because aggression is something I do not associate with mafia Keirathi, so that's a point in their favor.
-Yam
On March 17 2013 14:32 Promato wrote:
Keir is the reason I think this head is townish, so that's all I have to think about.
Etc, etc. You seem to think I am extremely easy to read as town, but you haven't even attempted to this game. You're stuck on that one thing.
Am I not being aggressive this game? Am I being passive/not caring about the game/not putting in effort/whatever other metrics you use for deciding if I'm scum or not?
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On March 29 2013 04:12 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 29 2013 04:03 Hapahauli wrote:
You still have not discussed why Kei is scummy. What concerns me about you is how little original thought you've put into this. It seems you're just riding off the trails of Hapa's accusations and arguments against me for quite a while now. What else besides this completely fucking wrong prplhz point makes me mafia? If you're going to call me your "top scumread" I want to hear it. Why I found Keir scummy at the time. Attack me over something I'm right about, and have no other reason to call me mafia. But, that doesn't jive with everything you said about my in Hydra (assuming you are actually yamato, which you haven't directly said). Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote:
because aggression is something I do not associate with mafia Keirathi, so that's a point in their favor.
-Yam Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:32 Promato wrote:
Keir is the reason I think this head is townish, so that's all I have to think about.
Etc, etc. You seem to think I am extremely easy to read as town, but you haven't even attempted to this game. You're stuck on that one thing. Am I not being aggressive this game? Am I being passive/not caring about the game/not putting in effort/whatever other metrics you use for deciding if I'm scum or not?
Now that I've had more time to interact with you while Hapa isn't arguing with me, you are townier, which is what I've said before. Aside from your sheeping of hapa in that instance, the only other reason I currently suspect you is because of how Corazon has been playing, but that is currently not worth going after.
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