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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
March 27 2013 17:02 GMT
#941
Also, with about 4 hours left I am stuck at work. Read my case(s) and lynch Nisani. That is all for now.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
March 27 2013 17:03 GMT
#942
On March 28 2013 00:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.

I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.

Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.

Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.

Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too.

Interesting. Do you somehow know mafia shot Grack? Because that's how the bolded part reads to me.


No, I said it doesn't make sense that it would be a town shot and no one claimed. Do you want to do some thinking for yourself, or will I have to do it for you?

Okay. One more thing.

If scum wanted Palmar dead, why create an elaborate plot to LYNCH Palmar by lynching some random lurker that Palmar had a scumread on, rather than just outright shoot him in the face? It makes NO sense.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17958 Posts
March 27 2013 17:04 GMT
#943
EBWOP: ... by shooting...
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 27 2013 17:06 GMT
#944
marv: I understand it could be bad play. I just think it's scummy play. On top of that: Remember when i first posted my case against OO? Nobody commented in any way. Then OO came and said "fuck you, i'm not even going to read your bad case whatever it is". I think he was in fear that somebody actually goes back and sees why he is scummy and starts to question him. He was just trying to brush the case away and basically said "the case is bad, everyone, let's not go back and look at it" without actually saying so. He is trying to hide in shadows without looking like that. Notice also that he is not even trying to push the case on me further, he just agrees with Hapa that "prplhz is a good lynch too". Why not try to convince other players that i am scum if he is so sure of that?

I'm going to reread Smurf later.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 27 2013 17:07 GMT
#945
Acro any thoughts on my case on OO?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 17:08 GMT
#946
On March 28 2013 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv: I understand it could be bad play. I just think it's scummy play. On top of that: Remember when i first posted my case against OO? Nobody commented in any way. Then OO came and said "fuck you, i'm not even going to read your bad case whatever it is". I think he was in fear that somebody actually goes back and sees why he is scummy and starts to question him. He was just trying to brush the case away and basically said "the case is bad, everyone, let's not go back and look at it" without actually saying so. He is trying to hide in shadows without looking like that. Notice also that he is not even trying to push the case on me further, he just agrees with Hapa that "prplhz is a good lynch too". Why not try to convince other players that i am scum if he is so sure of that?

I'm going to reread Smurf later.


*shrug*. You may be right, but I'm sceptical for now. I don't think Palmar supports an OO lynch either, so it's a no-go for today at least.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 27 2013 17:12 GMT
#947
How is Palmar town Marv?

Also extremely non accurate way of determining mislynch.
Nisani lynch is too easy.

Only me(im town) and Rayn(probably town) pushed any other candidate.
I dont see anything going on.
Like no one is really in favor of the Nisani lynch only going like
'Yeah he is scum, maybe'
I dont know, it doesnt sit right.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 27 2013 17:12 GMT
#948
On March 28 2013 02:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv: I understand it could be bad play. I just think it's scummy play. On top of that: Remember when i first posted my case against OO? Nobody commented in any way. Then OO came and said "fuck you, i'm not even going to read your bad case whatever it is". I think he was in fear that somebody actually goes back and sees why he is scummy and starts to question him. He was just trying to brush the case away and basically said "the case is bad, everyone, let's not go back and look at it" without actually saying so. He is trying to hide in shadows without looking like that. Notice also that he is not even trying to push the case on me further, he just agrees with Hapa that "prplhz is a good lynch too". Why not try to convince other players that i am scum if he is so sure of that?

I'm going to reread Smurf later.


*shrug*. You may be right, but I'm sceptical for now. I don't think Palmar supports an OO lynch either, so it's a no-go for today at least.

After Palmar's thoughts about the vigi-shot i'm not as confident as before that he actually is town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
March 27 2013 17:18 GMT
#949
On March 28 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Palmar town Marv?


I'm not on his team.

Anyway, I am not going to be able to catch much up until in a few hours.

Marv suggested smurf and nisani who are both null reads in my notes (although I'm feeling unusually uncertain about my reads this game, not sure what's going on).

the remaining people who are leaning scum in this sheet btw are sinani, marv, prplhz, corazon and rayn (who I've changed my mind on)

I'm feeling there's at most 2-3 scum in this list though, so at least 2-3 scum are evading my suspicions.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 17:18 GMT
#950
On March 28 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Palmar town Marv?

Also extremely non accurate way of determining mislynch.
Nisani lynch is too easy.

Only me(im town) and Rayn(probably town) pushed any other candidate.
I dont see anything going on.
Like no one is really in favor of the Nisani lynch only going like
'Yeah he is scum, maybe'
I dont know, it doesnt sit right.


There's 3 votes on prplhz, 2 of them being Keir/Hapa, I would say that was a quite significant other push. The fact we're only halfway to a majority on Nisani indicates this lynch isn't too easy at all.

I read Palmar's filter earlier and I'm still betting on town, I *think* his posts are sincere.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 17:18 GMT
#951
Palmar, why is sinani more likely mafia than Nisani?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 17:24 GMT
#952
On March 27 2013 22:10 prplhz wrote:
I wish I had been around for the case on me but then again there's not really much I can do other than say that I'm not scum. Maybe I didn't contribute a lot so far but D1 was busy for me and I didn't post for first 25 pages. The case on me is full of meta and it's silly to make someone argue about his own meta so maybe it was good that InsertSmurfHere was around to do that. He has been perfectly right in his interpretation of my posts as well. I don't know why Hapahauli is so angry.

I'm not really sure who to vote for right now. No one else strike me in the same way as as Grackaroni so I'm going to reread some stuff.


My original case has very little to do with meta (Yamato brought that up in your defense, but I obviously disagree with the comparison).

The issue I have is your complete lack of contributions thusfar, and you spreading suspicion on multiple players in non-committal ways (soft-pushing). This, combined with your general lack of contribution this game makes you pretty darn scummy.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:26 GMT
#953
On March 28 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.

I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.

Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.

I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?

Uh I read something in that old game, he didn't seem to sheep people and instead he actively did stuff on D1. He actually went against all thread opinion to go for his very own lynch candidate.

I think Nisani201 is hard to read though. He plays similar as scum and as town and his filter usually isn't very long so it's hard to follow his thought process. I don't know, he could be scum. I'm not terribly convinced but I have nothing better right now.

I don't like the InsertSmurfHere lynch. I think his defence of me against a rampaging Hapahauli/Keirathi duo looked good.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 17:27 GMT
#954
Oh yaaaay prplhz - can we talk a bit?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 17:29 GMT
#955
On March 28 2013 02:26 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.

I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.

On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.

I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?

Uh I read something in that old game, he didn't seem to sheep people and instead he actively did stuff on D1. He actually went against all thread opinion to go for his very own lynch candidate.

I think Nisani201 is hard to read though. He plays similar as scum and as town and his filter usually isn't very long so it's hard to follow his thought process. I don't know, he could be scum. I'm not terribly convinced but I have nothing better right now.

I don't like the InsertSmurfHere lynch. I think his defence of me against a rampaging Hapahauli/Keirathi duo looked good.


Which game are you referring to?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:33 GMT
#956
On March 28 2013 02:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 22:10 prplhz wrote:
I wish I had been around for the case on me but then again there's not really much I can do other than say that I'm not scum. Maybe I didn't contribute a lot so far but D1 was busy for me and I didn't post for first 25 pages. The case on me is full of meta and it's silly to make someone argue about his own meta so maybe it was good that InsertSmurfHere was around to do that. He has been perfectly right in his interpretation of my posts as well. I don't know why Hapahauli is so angry.

I'm not really sure who to vote for right now. No one else strike me in the same way as as Grackaroni so I'm going to reread some stuff.


My original case has very little to do with meta (Yamato brought that up in your defense, but I obviously disagree with the comparison).

The issue I have is your complete lack of contributions thusfar, and you spreading suspicion on multiple players in non-committal ways (soft-pushing). This, combined with your general lack of contribution this game makes you pretty darn scummy.

No it doesn't.

I agree that I hadn't contributed a lot, hopefully that will (or has) change(d). I have no idea about the "spreading suspicion" thing, I think that's all in your head. I remember once I got lynched for not asking questions, now I'm getting lynched for asking questions. Anyway, it's all in your head. I think I have the smallest filter in this game outside of the Insani90210s so that shouldn't be hard to go over things again.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 17:34 GMT
#957
On March 28 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 02:26 prplhz wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.

I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.

On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.

I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?

Uh I read something in that old game, he didn't seem to sheep people and instead he actively did stuff on D1. He actually went against all thread opinion to go for his very own lynch candidate.

I think Nisani201 is hard to read though. He plays similar as scum and as town and his filter usually isn't very long so it's hard to follow his thought process. I don't know, he could be scum. I'm not terribly convinced but I have nothing better right now.

I don't like the InsertSmurfHere lynch. I think his defence of me against a rampaging Hapahauli/Keirathi duo looked good.


Which game are you referring to?

Uh, last game I played with him. Normal Mini Mafia I I think.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 27 2013 17:36 GMT
#958
Wait.

Im confused.

Who wants to lynch Palmar?

No one.

Huh..
No gg, No skill.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 17:38 GMT
#959
The spreading suspicion thing is in regard to your early-game questioning. I'm generally fine with questioning, but it's very scummy in the manner that you did it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=36#720
Basically as I outlined here, you repeatedly spread suspicion on players without drawing any conclusion or analysis.

On Acro...
On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers.


On Sinani...
On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?


And on InsertSmurfHere/Nisani...
On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:
@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game?

@Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time

@InsertSmurfHere
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
[...]
Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
[...]

That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.


Not only are your suspicions devoid of analysis, but you never follow up on them. You "poke" a player with a question, incite suspicion, and then that's the end of the issue. This is textbook scum-behavior really.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 27 2013 17:39 GMT
#960
On March 28 2013 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wait.

Im confused.

Who wants to lynch Palmar?

No one.

Huh..


We are not lynching Palmar today.
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