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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 14:57 GMT
#901
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
March 27 2013 14:57 GMT
#902
Just to keep everyone on board, I'm not willing to lynch into Oats, Acro, DI, Keirathi, Hapa, and probably obviousone
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 14:59 GMT
#903
On March 27 2013 23:56 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.

Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.

So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.

So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.

Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens.

If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^)
WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM??

If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV.
WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR.

WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT.


actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work.

Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really.

Can you tell us how to proceed?


By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick.
Mostly SnB answering my question.
I dont like dickish behaviour.
grr.


You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue.

Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after?

Why you gotta be so mean.

The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else.

Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude.

Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind?
Prp is town.

Umm.
yeah.

how about we lynch marv then.
he real rude and dickish always.


Except he isn't right now. Which is what worries me.

As marv himself recognized I'm taking the "sit back but watch" approach to looking at him, but we're closing in on lynch time and he doesn't really seem to care how the lynch goes.


I've made it pretty clear who I want to lynch, and your response "I'm ignoring that player" doesn't help.

I'm going to say this only once, so you guys can take it or leave it. I had a horrible experience in Personality where I spammed way too much, got overemotional, got tunnelled, and got blinded. So much so that I barely read more than a couple of filters that game. This game I'm trying to turn my back on all that and take a bird's eye view. Is this a possibly convenient excuse for an uninvested mafia-marv? Sure. But it's not the case. Anyway, I'm not going to mention it again.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 27 2013 15:01 GMT
#904
Palmar why did you think the vigi-shot was surely from mafia without thinking it out properly? It looks like you wanted the shooter to claim if they are town which would be dumb, as already pointed out, if it's a JOAT and not a one shot vigi.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
March 27 2013 15:01 GMT
#905
On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 27 2013 15:02 GMT
#906
And what makes you so sure Oats is town?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
March 27 2013 15:02 GMT
#907
On March 28 2013 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why did you think the vigi-shot was surely from mafia without thinking it out properly? It looks like you wanted the shooter to claim if they are town which would be dumb, as already pointed out, if it's a JOAT and not a one shot vigi.


That's a stupid question.
Computer says mafia
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 27 2013 15:02 GMT
#908
On March 27 2013 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 23:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.

Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.

So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.

So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.

Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens.

If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^)
WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM??

If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV.
WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR.

WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT.


actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work.

Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really.

Can you tell us how to proceed?


By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick.
Mostly SnB answering my question.
I dont like dickish behaviour.
grr.


You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue.

Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after?

Why you gotta be so mean.

The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else.

Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude.

Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind?
Prp is town.

Umm.
yeah.

how about we lynch marv then.
he real rude and dickish always.


Except he isn't right now. Which is what worries me.

As marv himself recognized I'm taking the "sit back but watch" approach to looking at him, but we're closing in on lynch time and he doesn't really seem to care how the lynch goes.


I've made it pretty clear who I want to lynch, and your response "I'm ignoring that player" doesn't help.

I'm going to say this only once, so you guys can take it or leave it. I had a horrible experience in Personality where I spammed way too much, got overemotional, got tunnelled, and got blinded. So much so that I barely read more than a couple of filters that game. This game I'm trying to turn my back on all that and take a bird's eye view. Is this a possibly convenient excuse for an uninvested mafia-marv? Sure. But it's not the case. Anyway, I'm not going to mention it again.

Funny how this post reminds me of themed.
You'll find it funny when I'll remind you of themed too :D


Okay, so I like, gotta bounce.
Of current candidates I still think yamato is by and far the best one. So I'm keeping my vote on him in hopes that you guys see his incredible redness and spill his blood and drink it and shit.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
March 27 2013 15:02 GMT
#909
On March 28 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what makes you so sure Oats is town?


he looks like town. I've had him fairly green for a long time
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 15:03 GMT
#910
Acro is my strongest townread out of Hapa/Palmar/Acro. In addition to investment blabla, some of his posts are craycray, like at points in the first half of Duel, and MTG2. The Acro-mafia I played with in Personality was way more measured.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:05 GMT
#911
On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

Well, actually you said in this post

On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.


that you think he's town. So you can say that you think he is town but you cannot say that he isn't scum or what exactly are you saying?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 15:07 GMT
#912
On March 28 2013 00:05 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

Well, actually you said in this post

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.


that you think he's town. So you can say that you think he is town but you cannot say that he isn't scum or what exactly are you saying?


I'm going to answer for Palmar because this is silly. Very rarely are things binary in mafia. Having a town-read on someone doesn't mean you 100% think they're town.

How about that Nisani meta you promised me?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 27 2013 15:08 GMT
#913
On March 28 2013 00:02 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar why did you think the vigi-shot was surely from mafia without thinking it out properly? It looks like you wanted the shooter to claim if they are town which would be dumb, as already pointed out, if it's a JOAT and not a one shot vigi.


That's a stupid question.

Okay let me rephrase.

Why didn't you first think about the possibilities why a townie could have shot Grack and instead came out yelling "that's a scum shot 100%"?
table for two on a tv tray
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:12 GMT
#914
On March 28 2013 00:07 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:05 prplhz wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

Well, actually you said in this post

On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.


that you think he's town. So you can say that you think he is town but you cannot say that he isn't scum or what exactly are you saying?


I'm going to answer for Palmar because this is silly. Very rarely are things binary in mafia. Having a town-read on someone doesn't mean you 100% think they're town.

How about that Nisani meta you promised me?

My problem is that in Palmar's reasonable for why Acrofales is town, he's actually spending more time explaining why he could be scum. I don't see what it is that you all see in Acrofales. I get that we're not lynching him today because he's reasonably active and there's probably nothing damning about him, but I'm still interested in why you actually all think he's so townie because I'm getting more of a Personality 2 feeling about him.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:13 GMT
#915
"I can fight my own battles"

"I'm going to answer for Palmar"
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 15:18 GMT
#916
On March 28 2013 00:13 prplhz wrote:
"I can fight my own battles"

"I'm going to answer for Palmar"


So how about that Nisani meta, prplhz?

Nisani looks worse after the Grack flip because he was soft-defending Grack from the start of the game. He called the case bad and said Grack hadn't done anything scummy. This ties in to the inherent knowledge of alignments argument that I made regarding his "scumbait" line on Smurf.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 27 2013 15:19 GMT
#917
Dunno if a conversation with me is really a battle though. I guess I'm relatively benign.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 15:19 GMT
#918
On March 28 2013 00:12 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:07 marvellosity wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:05 prplhz wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 23:57 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Why isn't Acrofales scum?


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

Well, actually you said in this post

On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim?

I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing?

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.


that you think he's town. So you can say that you think he is town but you cannot say that he isn't scum or what exactly are you saying?


I'm going to answer for Palmar because this is silly. Very rarely are things binary in mafia. Having a town-read on someone doesn't mean you 100% think they're town.

How about that Nisani meta you promised me?

My problem is that in Palmar's reasonable for why Acrofales is town, he's actually spending more time explaining why he could be scum. I don't see what it is that you all see in Acrofales. I get that we're not lynching him today because he's reasonably active and there's probably nothing damning about him, but I'm still interested in why you actually all think he's so townie because I'm getting more of a Personality 2 feeling about him.


On March 28 2013 00:03 marvellosity wrote:
Acro is my strongest townread out of Hapa/Palmar/Acro. In addition to investment blabla, some of his posts are craycray, like at points in the first half of Duel, and MTG2. The Acro-mafia I played with in Personality was way more measured.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 27 2013 15:24 GMT
#919
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.

I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.

Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.

Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.

Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 27 2013 15:25 GMT
#920
On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.

I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.

Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.

Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.

Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too.


How about a comment on the vote leader? ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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