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On March 27 2013 22:51 Oatsmaster wrote:He was wrong about Grack and I was right. That should not happen. He pushes Grack 100% day 1, like when he is in the thread, thats basically most of what he talks about aside from smurfs bad case and stuff surrounding that. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? Really fucking weird post. Its just weird. Like what.
This post is not weird, there is a very good point.
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On March 27 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games. 1. That's not what I asked. 2. You're not who I asked. 3. You haven't said what you think of Marv. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST? Sorry refreshed page lost everything. I didnt answer your question. The reason why I made that post was because you seem to be struggling with marv's question on how you saw a different OO from those games. What provoked this response? Did you get so angry reading my post that you couldnt control your fingers? Marv is probably town. Mainly to get your opinion on Marv, and to ensure that Hapa doesn't think he can just skip the question because you answered it for him. Can you elaborate on your town read on Marv? He is doing jackshit. Basically. Feels a lot like hydra. I meant to say MTG where he hydra'ed there :/ But as far as I can remember, he was useless day 1 in hydra. And in chrono trigger. And in duel. So yeah town.
This logic. It hurts. And I was just starting to think you were town, when you show this complete lack of critical thinking. Is there anything short of outright claiming scum that could cause you to NOT have a town read on Marv?
Marv is active, scumhunting and pushing his reads: he must be town (this one I agree with)
Marv is passive and useless: he must be town.
The mind boggles.
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On March 27 2013 23:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games. 1. That's not what I asked. 2. You're not who I asked. 3. You haven't said what you think of Marv. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST? Sorry refreshed page lost everything. I didnt answer your question. The reason why I made that post was because you seem to be struggling with marv's question on how you saw a different OO from those games. What provoked this response? Did you get so angry reading my post that you couldnt control your fingers? Marv is probably town. Mainly to get your opinion on Marv, and to ensure that Hapa doesn't think he can just skip the question because you answered it for him. Can you elaborate on your town read on Marv? He is doing jackshit. Basically. Feels a lot like hydra. I meant to say MTG where he hydra'ed there :/ But as far as I can remember, he was useless day 1 in hydra. And in chrono trigger. And in duel. So yeah town. This logic. It hurts. And I was just starting to think you were town, when you show this complete lack of critical thinking. Is there anything short of outright claiming scum that could cause you to NOT have a town read on Marv? Marv is active, scumhunting and pushing his reads: he must be town (this one I agree with) Marv is passive and useless: he must be town. The mind boggles.
Do you know marv? I guess not.
Well thats sad I guess.
SnB, please explain why Palmar threatening to lynch Acro if he isnt actually vanilla townie a good point?
Also Kenpachi rule makes Palmar scum.
TOTALLY.
Dudes.
sheeping needs to commence.
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I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
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On March 27 2013 12:55 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town. Yeah I'm actually starting to lean scum on Rayn myself. The seed was planted earlier in my second post when I said that it was possible a tired Rayn could have scum slipped. I don't recall a response to that particular sentence I pointed out, but then again I didn't phrase it as a question. For reference: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Anyone seeing what I'm seeing here? Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. -snip irrelevant portion- Moving forward in the filter, I see him having scum reads on me and several other people I would consider town at this point.: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia? I'm more null on Nisani but the rest are more town than scummy to me right now. So let's look at what he's brought up against his proposed alternate lynches: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point) Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:Oats:Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180). Smurf:Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done: On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn. Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case? Look at the bolded/red sentence above, in particular. He's giving his full reasoning but he's doing it BEGRUDGINGLY. In what game do we begrudgingly give scum reads? That's pretty scummy to me on its own. Not demonstrating a town mindset IMO. The reads themselves are pretty meh. The only possible original thought I see is his stance on Oats but that's not a difficult thing to do given how easy of a target I feel Oats has made himself. Finally, resignation: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. 5, count them, five possible targets for today's lynch. That's a whole lot of suspicion for so little build-up. "Let's just lynch anyone!" How about no.
Not gonna do pretty formatting but I really don't like this post. I won't do pretty formatting because I'm on my phone, but there's a few things:
- "the seed was planted" etc - there's no reason to include this in a town case, but scum want to establish "hey guys I'm being consistent". Makes the case implicitly about "I'm town and making this case on my scumread" as much as about actually persuading us his read is scum.
- one of his key arguments is "he has bad reads / scum reads on people who everyone thinks is town." We all know this is a terrible argument, since what really matters isn't who the reads are on, but whether the reasoning for those reads demonstrates a town mindset. But saying "look who he thought was scum everyone disagrees with him so he must be the scum" makes sense as a scum case, it attracts the attention of those people and makes the case easier to sheep.
- I also don't really agree with the "begrudging" part, I think when a townie feels hectored he can be plenty begrudging but scum would hide it. But that's less of a reason this case is scummy, and more just a reason I disagree with it.
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On March 27 2013 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:
Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular.
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I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why?
Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games. 1. That's not what I asked. 2. You're not who I asked. 3. You haven't said what you think of Marv. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST? Sorry refreshed page lost everything. I didnt answer your question. The reason why I made that post was because you seem to be struggling with marv's question on how you saw a different OO from those games. What provoked this response? Did you get so angry reading my post that you couldnt control your fingers? Marv is probably town. Mainly to get your opinion on Marv, and to ensure that Hapa doesn't think he can just skip the question because you answered it for him. Can you elaborate on your town read on Marv? He is doing jackshit. Basically. Feels a lot like hydra. I meant to say MTG where he hydra'ed there :/ But as far as I can remember, he was useless day 1 in hydra. And in chrono trigger. And in duel. So yeah town. This logic. It hurts. And I was just starting to think you were town, when you show this complete lack of critical thinking. Is there anything short of outright claiming scum that could cause you to NOT have a town read on Marv? Marv is active, scumhunting and pushing his reads: he must be town (this one I agree with) Marv is passive and useless: he must be town. The mind boggles. Do you know marv? I guess not. Well thats sad I guess. SnB, please explain why Palmar threatening to lynch Acro if he isnt actually vanilla townie a good point? Also Kenpachi rule makes Palmar scum. TOTALLY. Dudes. sheeping needs to commence.
Nope
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It could be a town show from someone newish who doesn't know it's a bad idea to shoot day 1
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On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens.
If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^)
WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM??
If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV.
WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR.
WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT.
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This game is way too hard.
Not 100% sure on how to proceed. Maybe we should just lynch marv and see what he bleeds.
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On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT.
actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work.
Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really.
Can you tell us how to proceed?
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On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed?
By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick.
Mostly SnB answering my question.
I dont like dickish behaviour.
grr.
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On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr.
You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue.
Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after?
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On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after?
Why you gotta be so mean.
The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else.
Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude.
Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind?
Prp is town.
Umm.
yeah.
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On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah.
how about we lynch marv then.
he real rude and dickish always.
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I want to lynch OO or Oats. OO for reasons i stated earlier in the game and his behaviour after that (don't worry, i'll answer your case when i have more time). Oats for not having a clear train of thought for the whole game. He does another 180 out of the blue. Who can figure out where?
As for the day-vig. I see no scum motivation behind the shot because imo mafia would have shot like anyone else than Grack. Only reason i could think of is if they want to cast doubt on Palmar (assuming Palmar is town) and that's too much WIFOM in my eyes.
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On March 27 2013 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to lynch OO or Oats. OO for reasons i stated earlier in the game and his behaviour after that (don't worry, i'll answer your case when i have more time). Oats for not having a clear train of thought for the whole game. He does another 180 out of the blue. Who can figure out where?
As for the day-vig. I see no scum motivation behind the shot because imo mafia would have shot like anyone else than Grack. Only reason i could think of is if they want to cast doubt on Palmar (assuming Palmar is town) and that's too much WIFOM in my eyes.
How is my Palmar read 180?
I 180 acro. yes.
Why is 180ing scummy?
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On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah.
Acro isn't scum, I think that's a very long reach.
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On March 27 2013 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to lynch OO or Oats. OO for reasons i stated earlier in the game and his behaviour after that (don't worry, i'll answer your case when i have more time). Oats for not having a clear train of thought for the whole game. He does another 180 out of the blue. Who can figure out where?
As for the day-vig. I see no scum motivation behind the shot because imo mafia would have shot like anyone else than Grack. Only reason i could think of is if they want to cast doubt on Palmar (assuming Palmar is town) and that's too much WIFOM in my eyes.
Oats is almost definitely not scum and I don't think OO is scum although I'm much less sure on that one.
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On March 27 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah. how about we lynch marv then. he real rude and dickish always.
Except he isn't right now. Which is what worries me.
As marv himself recognized I'm taking the "sit back but watch" approach to looking at him, but we're closing in on lynch time and he doesn't really seem to care how the lynch goes.
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On March 27 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to lynch OO or Oats. OO for reasons i stated earlier in the game and his behaviour after that (don't worry, i'll answer your case when i have more time). Oats for not having a clear train of thought for the whole game. He does another 180 out of the blue. Who can figure out where?
As for the day-vig. I see no scum motivation behind the shot because imo mafia would have shot like anyone else than Grack. Only reason i could think of is if they want to cast doubt on Palmar (assuming Palmar is town) and that's too much WIFOM in my eyes. How is my Palmar read 180? I 180 acro. yes. Why is 180ing scummy?
On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point.
On March 27 2013 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:55 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 22:51 Oatsmaster wrote:He was wrong about Grack and I was right. That should not happen. He pushes Grack 100% day 1, like when he is in the thread, thats basically most of what he talks about aside from smurfs bad case and stuff surrounding that. On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? Really fucking weird post. Its just weird. Like what. On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing? That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well. I know Palmar is arrogent but what in the world is this. Day 1 is not over. Way overreaction. On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. Ok so Grack was basically the only thing Palmar pushed day 1 right? This reads like Palmar wasnt sure/expected himself to find another read. Which isnt inline with his mentality before the dayvig. So some scummy stuff about Palmar. I dont see much point in putting down a vote at this time. Do you? The thing is, Oats, if Palmar is genuinely your top mafiaread then you need to make a case on him (like this), vote him, and persuade other people to vote for him. Do you think mafia or town shot Grack? If mafia, and Palmar is mafia, why would his team shoot Palmar's primary push? Im inclined to think not scum because he looked like becoming mislynch number 1. [Speculation Incoming] The reason why it wasnt claimed its cause 1. Dude flipped town, its embarrassing 2. The dayvig can do it again/has other powers ##Vote: PalmarMarv why arent you sheeping me?
What made you completely change your mind on the vigi shot? To push for Palmar lynch?
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