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Good morning. The fact that nobody is commenting on Marv means we are either reliving MTG 2, or he is scum and his scumbuddies are deflecting with a timely case on someone else. For now, I reread our exchange and Marv feels as if he is intentionally pushing my buttons, which is something I feel when rereading MTG 2 as well. Yet some things...
On March 27 2013 12:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Acro, I think that part of marv's OO read looks fine.
The point is that OO was exceptionally lurky and scared in Hydra Mini. His play is not like that this game. Looking at his game in Fruity, it's a tad more active, and more similar to this game.
On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why?
Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll.
Everybody: have you looked at Marv this game? What is his alignment? I really don't want to repeat MTG 2 where I solo-tunnel (or there with DI in a reinforcing hydra chat of tunnelvision) Marv all game. READ HIM AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
I know Hapa and Keir want to lynch prplhz. I don't feel the lynch. Mainly because:
On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet.
Nisani still scum even if you guys forget that. And this is the scummiest reason to vote for a guy in the thread. Lets look at Nisani so far, right?
+ Show Spoiler [prplhz null] +On March 26 2013 14:02 Nisani201 wrote:
The bold part doesn't mean anything, that's just what he had bolded in his post. The point is that that post is telling people to vote based on what's happening in the meaningless beginning parts of the game.
"Contentless" isn't about quantity, it's about how much of his posts have his own opinions on things. Which isn't really in his filter at all.
I don't know how prplhz is a primary suspicion in this game, he has 3 posts which all mean nothing.
InsertSmurfHere's analysis on Dandel looks like scum bait. No one bit it, which is unfortunate but these things don't always work.
I don't see anything weird about marv, is there a case on him? Because if there is then I don't remember reading it.
And then:
+ Show Spoiler [lets vote for him] +On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though. On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet.
Where's the justification? It is PURELY reactionary to
On March 27 2013 12:58 Keirathi wrote:
P.S: @Nisani:
Who do you want to lynch?
Who's the flavour of the page? Prplhz is. Pressure on Nisani to do anything disappeared, and Nisani could crawl back into his scumQT.
Also, this:
On March 27 2013 14:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:40 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:People need to stop being idiots and vote for Prplhz. I challenge you to figure out how this quote comes from a townie: On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it. Prplhz sheeped Palmar on his Grack case. He should find him town.
Therefore, he passively suggests to Nisani that Nisani should find Palmar more suspicious? Yeah no. I thought it was really weird that Nisani201 thought that Palmar's case on Grackaroni was bullshit yet he didn't seem to think that Palmar was scum. Palmar is a guy who you can rely on having good reads for good reason but Nisani201 just dismissed the read without trying at all to put any pressure on Palmar and I found that weird so I poked him. Why would you encourage pressure against a guy you should think is town? Added to your general "lack-of-giving-a-shit" and multiple soft-pushes of players in the thread, u scum brah.
reads like confirmation bias if I ever saw it. The prplhz bit isn't encouraging pressure against Palmar, it's saying he saw an inconsistency in Nisani's play and wanted that explained.
Eh, I don't know why I am defending prplhz. I looked over his filter and everything said about him is right. Just Nisani is even scummier and it looks highly unlikely they're both scum.
In completely unrelated news. WTF is that kill on Grack in the middle of nowhere?
On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack.
The first line seems very insincere. He wants to say it's strange, but isn't too sure of himself. This seems completely uncharacteristic for Palmar. Palmar, did you shoot Grack? Out of everybody in the thread, you seem to be the only townie with both the scumspicion and the ego to just shoot Grack out of nowhere on D1. If it's a scum shot, why the hell shoot Grack, when they could take out some high-profile player? Grack was a borderline lurker with a good chance of getting lynched. Why shoot him? I honestly see NO scum motivation for wasting an anonymous dayvig shot on Grack.
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On March 27 2013 21:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Alternatively, I could also lynch snb with pleasure.
I'm fine with prpl too.
No longer think Marv is scum? Explain.
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On March 27 2013 21:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Alternatively, I could also lynch snb with pleasure.
I'm fine with prpl too. No longer think Marv is scum? Explain.
It's still the truth that trying to lynch marv d1 is a futile effort because of the fanboy hordes. Not much changed there.
As I already said, I won't be around the ~5 hours leading up to the lynch, so even if I wanted to push him, I couldn't.
Whatcha thinking bout snb?
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On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll.
Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX
Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX
You didnt.
He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games.
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Acro, why are you pushing Palmar for being "insincere" or w/e, when you see yourself that it would be a really damn bad shot for scum to take, and the explaination for palmar shooting him pretty much only make sense from a town-palm standpoint.
You're blu hunting for no reason. If he did it and wanted to claim, he would have. If you (apparantly) think he's blu, what's the rationale in calling him out on it?
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@Palmar If scum had an anonymous dayvig then why didn't they shoot you dead? Or just about anybody other than Grackaroni since he was causing quite the ruckus.
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On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:Good morning. The fact that nobody is commenting on Marv means we are either reliving MTG 2, or he is scum and his scumbuddies are deflecting with a timely case on someone else. For now, I reread our exchange and Marv feels as if he is intentionally pushing my buttons, which is something I feel when rereading MTG 2 as well. Yet some things... Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Acro, I think that part of marv's OO read looks fine.
The point is that OO was exceptionally lurky and scared in Hydra Mini. His play is not like that this game. Looking at his game in Fruity, it's a tad more active, and more similar to this game. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Everybody: have you looked at Marv this game? What is his alignment? I really don't want to repeat MTG 2 where I solo-tunnel (or there with DI in a reinforcing hydra chat of tunnelvision) Marv all game. READ HIM AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS. I know Hapa and Keir want to lynch prplhz. I don't feel the lynch. Mainly because: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet. Nisani still scum even if you guys forget that. And this is the scummiest reason to vote for a guy in the thread. Lets look at Nisani so far, right? + Show Spoiler [prplhz null] +On March 26 2013 14:02 Nisani201 wrote:
The bold part doesn't mean anything, that's just what he had bolded in his post. The point is that that post is telling people to vote based on what's happening in the meaningless beginning parts of the game.
"Contentless" isn't about quantity, it's about how much of his posts have his own opinions on things. Which isn't really in his filter at all.
I don't know how prplhz is a primary suspicion in this game, he has 3 posts which all mean nothing.
InsertSmurfHere's analysis on Dandel looks like scum bait. No one bit it, which is unfortunate but these things don't always work.
I don't see anything weird about marv, is there a case on him? Because if there is then I don't remember reading it. And then: + Show Spoiler [lets vote for him] +On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though. On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet. Where's the justification? It is PURELY reactionary to Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 12:58 Keirathi wrote:
P.S: @Nisani:
Who do you want to lynch? Who's the flavour of the page? Prplhz is. Pressure on Nisani to do anything disappeared, and Nisani could crawl back into his scumQT. Also, this: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 14:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 27 2013 13:40 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:People need to stop being idiots and vote for Prplhz. I challenge you to figure out how this quote comes from a townie: On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it. Prplhz sheeped Palmar on his Grack case. He should find him town.
Therefore, he passively suggests to Nisani that Nisani should find Palmar more suspicious? Yeah no. I thought it was really weird that Nisani201 thought that Palmar's case on Grackaroni was bullshit yet he didn't seem to think that Palmar was scum. Palmar is a guy who you can rely on having good reads for good reason but Nisani201 just dismissed the read without trying at all to put any pressure on Palmar and I found that weird so I poked him. Why would you encourage pressure against a guy you should think is town? Added to your general "lack-of-giving-a-shit" and multiple soft-pushes of players in the thread, u scum brah. reads like confirmation bias if I ever saw it. The prplhz bit isn't encouraging pressure against Palmar, it's saying he saw an inconsistency in Nisani's play and wanted that explained. Eh, I don't know why I am defending prplhz. I looked over his filter and everything said about him is right. Just Nisani is even scummier and it looks highly unlikely they're both scum.
In completely unrelated news. WTF is that kill on Grack in the middle of nowhere? Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. The first line seems very insincere. He wants to say it's strange, but isn't too sure of himself. This seems completely uncharacteristic for Palmar. Palmar, did you shoot Grack? Out of everybody in the thread, you seem to be the only townie with both the scumspicion and the ego to just shoot Grack out of nowhere on D1. If it's a scum shot, why the hell shoot Grack, when they could take out some high-profile player? Grack was a borderline lurker with a good chance of getting lynched. Why shoot him? I honestly see NO scum motivation for wasting an anonymous dayvig shot on Grack.
I'm gonna do this once more for you Acro.
Obvious in Fruity Day 1 - trolly and disengaged. I had a mafia read on him night 1 there. Improved thereafter
LX - started off badly, but improved as the game went on, engaged.
Hydra - made literally 3 or 4 posts. All of them completely timid, none containing opinions, no lightheartedness, no trolliness, just bland no-opinions
Here - more engaged, less scared to post and put his opinion forth. Not pathetic.
Does this make him definitely town? No, but it's certainly enough for me to leave him alone today. You're getting your meta-panties in a twist for no reason. Get off your dumb tunnel/high horse about me because it's really really boring.
My feelings towards the shot align with Acro's, I don't get it from any perspective, except 3p which we don't have :x
Although my filtering last night got interrupted by somewhat too much wine, I also agree with Acro/sinani on Nisani. I agree with what Acro said above about the 'timeliness' of his prplhz read. The kicker for me is this "scumbait" thing about Smurf/Dandel. I've read that case a few times and it simply doesn't come across like that at all. It doesn't seem like a natural mindset for a townie to take. It implies that Nisani actually already *knows* Smurf is town, and therefore his 'atrocious' case must be scumbait, rather than the more natural townie suspicion of maliciousness or simply bad play. Especially given at the time we had s&b's prplhz case, which looked much more scumbait-y.
##Vote: Nisani101
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I wish I had been around for the case on me but then again there's not really much I can do other than say that I'm not scum. Maybe I didn't contribute a lot so far but D1 was busy for me and I didn't post for first 25 pages. The case on me is full of meta and it's silly to make someone argue about his own meta so maybe it was good that InsertSmurfHere was around to do that. He has been perfectly right in his interpretation of my posts as well. I don't know why Hapahauli is so angry.
I'm not really sure who to vote for right now. No one else strike me in the same way as as Grackaroni so I'm going to reread some stuff.
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marv tell me why you think snb is town.
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On March 27 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
marv tell me why you think snb is town.
I don't particularly
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I'm not really sure about this Nisani201 thing because last time I played with him he played like this too. He never seems to have that "drive" that just about all players on this subforum has so I think we should really consider this more strongly than just saying "he's almost as bad as that drplhz guy". sinani206 seems emotional but in an aggressive and indignant way and that seems townie of him even though I don't think he's shown the classic sinani206 trollish behavior. Maybe he's just not that into this game and he only joined because he was invited (which was why I asked that fucking question).
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On March 27 2013 22:14 prplhz wrote:
I'm not really sure about this Nisani201 thing because last time I played with him he played like this too. He never seems to have that "drive" that just about all players on this subforum has so I think we should really consider this more strongly than just saying "he's almost as bad as that drplhz guy". sinani206 seems emotional but in an aggressive and indignant way and that seems townie of him even though I don't think he's shown the classic sinani206 trollish behavior. Maybe he's just not that into this game and he only joined because he was invited (which was why I asked that fucking question).
that's not why I think Nisani is mafia
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On March 27 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
marv tell me why you think snb is town. I don't particularly
You call his early case scumbait. No sense scumbaiting as scum, is there.
In case you get all hairsplitting on me now, because you can't converse like a normal human being, let me ask differently: Why don't you think he's scum?
cuz he totally is.
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On March 27 2013 22:16 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
marv tell me why you think snb is town. I don't particularly You call his early case scumbait. No sense scumbaiting as scum, is there. In case you get all hairsplitting on me now, because you can't converse like a normal human being, let me ask differently: Why don't you think he's scum? cuz he totally is.
I'm not going to converse with you at all anymore, you're too rude.
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No but I didn't want to write something big. The "softpushing" (whatever the fuck that is since that's apparently what also makes me scum) and "going with the flow" is something I remember from him from our last game (which was like a year ago so bear with me while I check up on it even though I don't really want to reread that game because I messed up royally). That seems to be the biggest points. I like your argument about the scumbait/InsertSmurfHere/strongandbig thing but I don't think it's damning.
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On March 27 2013 22:19 prplhz wrote:
No but I didn't want to write something big. The "softpushing" (whatever the fuck that is since that's apparently what also makes me scum) and "going with the flow" is something I remember from him from our last game (which was like a year ago so bear with me while I check up on it even though I don't really want to reread that game because I messed up royally). That seems to be the biggest points. I like your argument about the scumbait/InsertSmurfHere/strongandbig thing but I don't think it's damning.
It would be much better if you accepted the strength of the argument rather than arguing me off my scumread like you did in Clothes Mafia 
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On March 27 2013 21:55 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:53 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Alternatively, I could also lynch snb with pleasure.
I'm fine with prpl too. No longer think Marv is scum? Explain. It's still the truth that trying to lynch marv d1 is a futile effort because of the fanboy hordes. Not much changed there. As I already said, I won't be around the ~5 hours leading up to the lynch, so even if I wanted to push him, I couldn't. Whatcha thinking bout snb?
I think that SnB qualified his meta quite well:
On March 26 2013 23:34 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 14:15 Hapahauli wrote:On March 26 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dudes.
Why are you ignoring SnB's horrible case on Prp?
##Vote: strongandbig What makes it scummy as opposed to a stupid townie thing? Because it was stupid and SnB isnt stupid. Like somethings you can brush away by saying that this dude is dumb, but some you cant. It looked like he wanted to try and mislynch prp and now its gone HORRIBLY WRONG. So he disappears. Insertsmurfhere is not scum I think although dandel is null for me. (YAY RANDOM READS OUTTA NOWHERE) So oats I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'm pretty good at atomic physics, it's true. Seven years ago I also got 36/36 on the ACT and 1600 on the real part of the SAT (fucking writing section). So okay suppose I'm smart. Do you really think that means I can't make a bad case? Or that I can't think a case is good for reasons that other people disagree with? If you really want me to I can point you to past games where I've made cases that everyone else said were bad. I was town in those games. When I'm sum I don't make bad cases, I just don't make cases. Do you really think I was settin up to "try to push a prplhz lynch" singlehandedly, in a game with people who have much more "mafia rep" than I do, and who have much more time to put in than I have? That doesn't sound like a "smart" thing to do. (Pro tip if you look in my filter you can even find out what I was actually doing and why! Treasure hunt!)
While knowing his meta can mean he is changing his meta, as scum he has always been completely disengaged (except WLIIA where he played a pretty damned good scum game). So far I'm not getting that feeling from his filter.
Also regarding Smurf: I have no fucking clue what to say about Smurf at the moment. I thought his case on you was terrible, and it could be terrible scummy. However, he has continued to prove that he has no fucking clue on how to play this game. Does that make him scum? I don't know. Hopefully I'll figure it out soon, but for the moment:
et tu, brute
Fine, we'll lynch Nisani today and worry about Marv tomorrow.
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On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games.
1. That's not what I asked.
2. You're not who I asked.
3. You haven't said what you think of Marv.
WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST?
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On March 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:37 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:31 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. So you didnt think he was scum? You dont sound like you were gonna push Grack today. Now who would you lynch after that weird nk? And yeah with anonymous vig, scum probably shot but thats not really the point. No no, at the time I thought Grack was scum, or he was my best read. But I also re-evaluate the actual lynch on the second half of day 2 every time I play. Again, if you want me to I can point you to multiple instances of this. Lol meta eh? So do you want to push Dandel Ion's target today? Or someone else? I haven't decided. Why are all the influential people so tightfisted with their reads. WHY? ??? ?? Dandel Ion, im sorry this doesnt include you. Or me. Or anyone except palmar and marv
uncertain doesn't mean tightfisted
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