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On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too.
Interesting. Do you somehow know mafia shot Grack? Because that's how the bolded part reads to me.
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On March 28 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too. Interesting. Do you somehow know mafia shot Grack? Because that's how the bolded part reads to me.
No, I said it doesn't make sense that it would be a town shot and no one claimed. Do you want to do some thinking for yourself, or will I have to do it for you?
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On March 28 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too. How about a comment on the vote leader? ^^
Who is the vote leader? Too many votes so far.
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I thought Acrofales entry into the thread was weird (the vanilla town claim), reminds me of what he did in Personality 2 (he voted someone). It's a small move designed to pull a bunch of attention to yourself. He also argued a lot about the didn't-read-PM incident but rereading that, it was still early in the game and maybe he was just talking about whatever. Ultimately, it took him twice as long to get a filter of this size in Personality 2 so I'm just going to drop it and look elsewhere (Nisani201 right now).
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On March 28 2013 00:27 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too. How about a comment on the vote leader? ^^ Who is the vote leader? Too many votes so far.
Nisani. For easy reading, check out what Acro has written about him, what sinani said, and my comments in the post where I voted him.
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On March 28 2013 00:27 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too. Interesting. Do you somehow know mafia shot Grack? Because that's how the bolded part reads to me. No, I said it doesn't make sense that it would be a town shot and no one claimed. Do you want to do some thinking for yourself, or will I have to do it for you?
Except that it does not make sense for scum to shoot Grack over like anyone else. And it makes perfect sense not to claim the shot in any scenario where the shooter's role is something else than a one-shot vigi.
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Scum/Third-Party shoots Grack=No one takes Palmar seriously/Palmar gets lynched
Town shoots Grack= They thought Grack was scum?
Please give me town motivations for killing Grack. I'd love to hear them.
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On March 28 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:27 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too. How about a comment on the vote leader? ^^ Who is the vote leader? Too many votes so far. Nisani. For easy reading, check out what Acro has written about him, what sinani said, and my comments in the post where I voted him.
Yeah that vote is pretty terrible. I really wish he would come here and defend himself. This town needs a sense of direction because right now we are going in every which way.
Basically prp and Nisani have really crappy votes, but at least prp admitted to sheeping, whereas Nisani did not give anything towards his vote.
If Nisani doesn't come here and defend himself I'm willing to consolidate on him.
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I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.
I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.
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Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.
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Also this nice Palmar irks me.
People with experience with Palmar, does he get nice when people suspect him as town?
Seems really weird.
Rayn I thought about the shot, made more sense to come from town.
Anyway, I 180 all the time, hehe get used to it
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On March 28 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scum/Third-Party shoots Grack=No one takes Palmar seriously/Palmar gets lynched
First. There is no third party. Second. Why not shoot some strong town player, let Palmar mislynch Grack=Noone takes Palmar seriously/Palmar gets lynched.
Town shoots Grack= They thought Grack was scum?
Please give me town motivations for killing Grack. I'd love to hear them.
I don't honestly know. Maybe. But i see zero scum motivation in the shot.
On March 28 2013 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also this nice Palmar irks me.
People with experience with Palmar, does he get nice when people suspect him as town?
Seems really weird.
Rayn I thought about the shot, made more sense to come from town.
Anyway, I 180 all the time, hehe get used to it
Fair enough. After doing some thinking myself i think it's more likely that you are town because you do those 180's. I think you would be more careful with stuff like that if you were scum.
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Dudes.
WTF do you see that is wrong with my Palmar case that makes you not want to lynch him?
Especially since after that,, he tried to get me to go onto other people rather than him, saying that I wont be able to lynch him.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2013 22:51 Oatsmaster wrote:He was wrong about Grack and I was right. That should not happen. He pushes Grack 100% day 1, like when he is in the thread, thats basically most of what he talks about aside from smurfs bad case and stuff surrounding that. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? Really fucking weird post. Its just weird. Like what. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 09:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 09:04 Palmar wrote:
@Acrofales at the beginning of the game you claimed vanilla townie. Would you consider it fair that we lynch you if you at any point claim any other role in the game? If not, would you consider retracting your claim? I would not consider it fair, no. I also see no reason to retract that claim. Why are you bluefishing? That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well. I know Palmar is arrogent but what in the world is this. Day 1 is not over. Way overreaction. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:19 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 20:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack. Which is? A townie motivation would be to use this lynch to lynch someone else instead of Grack and cause more discussion bla bla. Scum motivation would be to cause confusion? I dont know, please elaborate Grack was the preliminary lynch, rarely does the person put under pressure on day 1 actually end up on the chopping block. I could give you multiple examples of this. There is no proper townie motivation to shoot the dude who gets put under pressure early in the game. Ok so Grack was basically the only thing Palmar pushed day 1 right? This reads like Palmar wasnt sure/expected himself to find another read. Which isnt inline with his mentality before the dayvig. So some scummy stuff about Palmar. I dont see much point in putting down a vote at this time. Do you?
Read it and comment.
Preferably vote.
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On March 27 2013 15:46 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
The overwhelming consensus is against town dayvigs shooting on day 1.
Looks like a blue snipe to me, honestly.
This is really weird.
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As for why i want to lynch ObviousOne:
First this, my earlier case on him:
On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. So this interaction took me to Keirathi's filter where I found myself in a land of opinion-less posts and pseudo-random votes. This is not the town voice of Keirathi I remember from the Hydra game we played in together. It reminds me more of the safer and more timid Keirathi of 6 months ago, which was a safe way to play... the only town points in his favor IMO are that he derailed SNB's case for the right reason. (An addendum for later--) It's demonstrably fact that Keirathi has essentially defended prplhz by attacking SNB's case which says nothing now about them individually but should be remembered in the late stages of the game if it's still pertinent. Right now based on signal-to-noise ratio of Keirathi's filter, I'm calling him scum. What do you guys think?
Why this post is incredibly scummy?
First OO says i may or may not be scum based on semantics i used in my response to Keirathi. It's irrelevant in the first place because if i answer to Keirathi or ask something about him i call him "you", not "we" . No matter how hard you try to twist the words the post does not turn into a "scum claim".
Next he talks about referencing the other game i'm playing in, which he can't do in the first place. Why in the world bring up something you can't talk about in the first place?
And the read on me ends up into conclusion "may or may not be scum". How convinient.
Then the case on Keirathi. It says that Keirathi has done some maybe scummy stuff that is not better explained. Then he has done some townie stuff. Then he calls Keirathi scum. With no vote on him. Even asking What do you think?
If you think someone is scum you don't ask what do people think about them. You make a case which forces people to say what do they think about it. Notice that after this post he moves to completely different things. If i thought Keirathi was scum i sure would want to know more about him.
In all this post is filled with lots of "if's", "but's" and "may or may not's". There are no conclusions or follow up's. It looks good in filter later (as contributing) but is meant to be dissappeared in the backgrounds. That's what it looks like to me.
On March 27 2013 02:37 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 01:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scratching the surface = throwing out baseless accusations and not following them up
I also love how you leave out your random feelings that Oats and Smurf are scum. Way to only answer the points that I might not be right on. That is ridiculously scummy. How the fuck i'm supposed to follow up my accusation on OO when he has not answered it yet? Noone has pointed out why the case is bad so i'm waiting on OO to answer it first. If you can't find out why i think Oats & Smurf are scum by reading my filter then it's your fault not mine. Anyways your case is total bullshit. Whatever your bullshit question was got buried. CBA to find it until I get to a desktop computer. But you're wrong about me being mafia. I don't feel bad about not answering your case because I feel no need to defend myself from you. I'd rather discuss Grack since he is using me as an opportunity to sheep town sentiment on a player who (and you're going to love this) always looks scummy D1 (me!)
Claims he isn't even reading the thread.
On March 27 2013 04:43 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO: What makes Grack more scummy than Cora? Cora's seemingly trying to get you to settle on a target with his tunnel and I don't have a good handle on his alignment since he could be serious about lynching you (which I disagree with doing). If I take his vote as intent to lynch then he's looking scummy to me for tunneling my town read. Maybe all you have to do is focus a bit more. He said in the following post that you have attacked 6 people, but that's actually stretching it a bit; perhaps that's how you get your information, via attack rather than discourse. If I assume you do it all via attacks then his argument is that you are being town you. If I assume you combine the two I would really like to see some more general discourse (such as asking me this question) Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 00:11 cDgCorazon wrote:Hi. Thanks Mr. Smurf for calling me lurky when I was asleep. If you're going to make silly meta reads on me, it's not going to get you anywhere. In all honesty this thread has still been ridiculously chaotic. After the tragedy that was Personality Mafia, I'm trying to only post when I have thoughts and cases to make. Right now we are just switching from one lynch target to the other and not really getting anything done besides calling each other scum. As much as the hosts love to troll, I don't think that they made everyone scum. Sorry guys. To add my thoughts to the ring, I'm still convinced that Rayn is scum. He's following the thread sentiment to the letter. He's just attacking whoever has the heat at the time. Less than 24 hours into the game, he has already attacked the following people: Prphlz (voted) Me Marv Keir OO (voted) Oats + Show Spoiler +
That's 40% of the people in the game...
The other problem I have with this is that Rayn is not following through with any of his arguments (besides the OO vote). He's quite content to go after multiple people and not back his sentiments up. It's scummy because he's just trying to look like he is scumhunting, when in reality he is just shitting up the thread and sheeping on whoever is the flavor of the month (or by this thread's standards, flavor of the 10 minutes). That's not town-motivated behavior, it's scummy behavior. ##Vote: RaynpelikoneetIf there's any questions for me I'd love to hear them. See if you can change his mind with your actions, he might just be a good candidate for tomorrow if this continues.
Whereas Grack is literally making shit up about me to get me lynched.
This is an interesting post. A bit aerlier OO said he thinks i am town. Here he is attacking Grack and is undecided on Cora, when both of them attack a townie (from OO's PoV - me/him) with shitty reasons. It does not make sense that Grack is sure scum but read on Cora is "undecided".
Here is his case against me:
On March 27 2013 12:55 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town. Yeah I'm actually starting to lean scum on Rayn myself. The seed was planted earlier in my second post when I said that it was possible a tired Rayn could have scum slipped. I don't recall a response to that particular sentence I pointed out, but then again I didn't phrase it as a question. For reference: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 14:08 ObviousOne wrote:==Some thoughts on today's action== + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 10:34 Keirathi wrote:On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? Because it doesn't matter a single bit how he reacts because the case was built on false information. Hell, if I was scum, I would love nothing more than for someone to make a case on me that I could so easily refute just by posting a few quotes from my previous games that wouldn't even be hard to find. The point of making "cases" isn't to convince the person they are scum. They are to convince everyone else that someone is scum. Anyone seeing what I'm seeing here? Plus, S&B was asking for opinions about his case. The problem with meta in this prplhz case is that it's the easiest thing in the world to fake. Even the dumbest idiot could probably fake their "town meta" by posting some general advice as their first post. Other than that part, you are right. Broken out, preserving the interaction above: On March 26 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And given that you don't (at least you should not) know prplhz's alignment how exactly is it not beneficial to see how he reacts to the case first? I thought about this sentence for a while. I probably thought about it for too long. It might even be nothing. I thought about what a Rayn might be implying here, assuming town: If we emphasize the "don't" and following parenthesis, the implication here is that Rayn is calling out Kei for shutting down a potentially useful avenue of information. Okay, I get that. I thought about what Rayn might be implying here, assuming mafia: If we emphasize the "given that you" portion, we get a scum claim.
I don't know Rayn, and I can't reference the only other recent game since it's ongoing, so I want to say it's believe from a town mindset as an accusation against Kei derailing SNB's poorly constructed case. The alternative is a tired mind, ready for sleep, just posting for the sake of posting and literally claiming scum in the thread. -snip irrelevant portion- Moving forward in the filter, I see him having scum reads on me and several other people I would consider town at this point.: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
PALMAR LET GO OF CORA AND GRACK AND FOCUS ON SCUM LIKE OO/OATS/SMURF/NISANI PLZ!
Don't you see thye have disappeared when townies call out other townies and laugh in the background. Man, you should be able to see that.
Who of those guys are mafia? I'm more null on Nisani but the rest are more town than scummy to me right now. So let's look at what he's brought up against his proposed alternate lynches: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point) Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:Oats:Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180). Smurf:Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done: On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn. Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case? Look at the bolded/red sentence above, in particular. He's giving his full reasoning but he's doing it BEGRUDGINGLY. In what game do we begrudgingly give scum reads? That's pretty scummy to me on its own. Not demonstrating a town mindset IMO. The reads themselves are pretty meh. The only possible original thought I see is his stance on Oats but that's not a difficult thing to do given how easy of a target I feel Oats has made himself. Finally, resignation: Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody is going to vote OO/Oats/Smurf either way whatever i say. And Grack has not dona anythig useful. I would be okay switching into one of those three or Nisani/prplhz, but nobody is going to listen to me anyways so what the hell. Better to trust people i trust are town then. 5, count them, five possible targets for today's lynch. That's a whole lot of suspicion for so little build-up. "Let's just lynch anyone!" How about no.
Why this case is bad and scummy? S&B summed it up pretty well:
1) "the seed was planted" etc - there's no reason to include this in a town case, but scum want to establish "hey guys I'm being consistent". Makes the case implicitly about "I'm town and making this case on my scumread" as much as about actually persuading us his read is scum.
2) one of his key arguments is "he has bad reads / scum reads on people who everyone thinks is town." We all know this is a terrible argument, since what really matters isn't who the reads are on, but whether the reasoning for those reads demonstrates a town mindset. But saying "look who he thought was scum everyone disagrees with him so he must be the scum" makes sense as a scum case, it attracts the attention of those people and makes the case easier to sheep.
3) I also don't really agree with the "begrudging" part, I think when a townie feels hectored he can be plenty begrudging but scum would hide it. But that's less of a reason this case is scummy, and more just a reason I disagree with it.
My thoughts on those:
1) I agree. Also notice that in his post he calls Keirathi as possible scum. Never after that post he questions Keirathi about anything at all or tries to find out if he actually is scum. Fishy? Yes.
2) Agreed.
3) I don't like the "doesn't give out his reads unless asked"-part. Why should i give out all my scumreads unless someone asks them? I already had a case on OO in thread. Why make another one? And the only person who called me out on "reads without reasoning" was Cora. I didn't care to give him those reads because Cora read my filter and the reasoning was right next to those posts he quoted, yet he missed it.
And yes, prplhz is right about me being frustrated being a reason i swithced my vote onto Grack. Me saying who at that time i think is mafia has nothing to do with me being mafia. After that i have changed my mind on Oats (as i said in thread) and prplhz (because imo he had a townie thought process in his defence on me and his Acro-Palmar observation).
And this:
On March 27 2013 13:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:34 Hapahauli wrote:
It reads more as frustration than anything sinister to me.
Aaaaanyway I'll let him speak for himself. My sole objective right now is to get prplhz lynched - thoughts on him? -P16 delayed-reasoning vote was sheeping Palmar -Calling Palmar's cases bad. You guys seem to be spot on. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it. Prp is a good lynch IMO.
Why is he setting up another target if he is convinced i am scum, and not pushing the case on me further? Makes no sense.
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On March 28 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 15:46 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
The overwhelming consensus is against town dayvigs shooting on day 1.
Looks like a blue snipe to me, honestly. This is really weird.
I agree.
After i read the thread today, i went through Grack's filter to see if there was any indication of him being blue. I didn't see anything pointing into that direction.
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On March 28 2013 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 15:46 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
The overwhelming consensus is against town dayvigs shooting on day 1.
Looks like a blue snipe to me, honestly. This is really weird. I agree. After i read the thread today, i went through Grack's filter to see if there was any indication of him being blue. I didn't see anything pointing into that direction.
I still don't want to lynch OO today. As this is a majority lynch we need to start consolidating on targets. The lynch should be between Smurf and Nisani, I think.
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Why smurf over OO? I get Nisani and i agree. I think OO is way more scummy than Smurf (who i think is scummy too).
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On March 28 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why smurf over OO? I get Nisani and i agree. I think OO is way more scummy than Smurf (who i think is scummy too).
Much of the case you have against OO revolves around bad play but not necessarily scummy play. I also talked before about how I viewed his meta, so I won't rehash that. I don't necessarily see the problem with bringing up multiple targets. I wish he'd come back to the thread though.
Smurf for the Dandel town-game stuff, and a rather overactive defence of prplhz. Has prplhz really played (or by then had played) a sufficiently townie game for Smurf to defend him so strongly? In addition that blue snipe comment is really off. Reminds me of a comment syllo made in Personality obsQT:
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What Foolishness says is very useful whether his reads are correct or not. I mafia hunt by searching for posts that in some way "feel" off (it's often difficult to convincingly describe why they are off). Then I look at the rest of the filter to see if there's evidence reinforcing that idea or pointing the other way. Posts can also be suspicious because I know that the person in question isn't likely to actually believe that; this is easier if it's someone who I know well and even easier if it's someone who thinks like me.
I'm rarely confident in someone being mafia unless I can point to something specific. Contradictions, lack of in-thread mafia hunting and wrong reads can be evidence of someone being mafia, but if that's all I have, it feels basically a coinflip at best for me.
I agree the Planting the Seed thing is somewhat weird too, I just don't think it's as weird as the blue snipe comment.
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On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.
I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.
On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.
I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?
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