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On March 28 2013 02:18 Palmar wrote:I'm not on his team. Anyway, I am not going to be able to catch much up until in a few hours. Marv suggested smurf and nisani who are both null reads in my notes (although I'm feeling unusually uncertain about my reads this game, not sure what's going on). the remaining people who are leaning scum in this sheet btw are sinani, marv, prplhz, corazon and rayn (who I've changed my mind on)I'm feeling there's at most 2-3 scum in this list though, so at least 2-3 scum are evading my suspicions.
Why are you not pushing any of those people then? :o
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Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment.
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On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment.
no, it isn't. Corazon and sinani aren't echoing town sentiment at all.
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On March 28 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment. no, it isn't. Corazon and sinani aren't echoing town sentiment at all.
Am i? I don't remember anyone calling me scum other than OO and Cora earlier.
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On March 28 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment. no, it isn't. Corazon and sinani aren't echoing town sentiment at all.
Yeah
those are lynchbait.
I dont know, he apparently has 5 reads but doesnt explain any of them, and just a while earlier he said that he had nothing and was still deciding who to push.
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Palmar i would like to hear why you changed your mind on me.
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On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment.
Firstly, I'm leaning scum on Marv. His play is very "off" on this Day 1. Not enough for me to justify lynching him, but enough for me to trust him.
Secondly Palmar is very likely town. He's showing much more interest in this game than I've ever really seen him put into a game as scum. Just because he got the Grack wrong (which was completely reasonable), I don't see how he's scum. Also as scum, why would he shoot the guy he was visciously trying to mislynch (and he would have likely suceeded too)?
If you still don't trust Palmar is town, he's always shot really early as town anyway. If he's alive after a few cycles, that's when we look into him. Otherwise, nothing about his gameplay suggests that he's "obv-scum" or whatever you're spouting.
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On March 28 2013 02:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment. no, it isn't. Corazon and sinani aren't echoing town sentiment at all. Yeah those are lynchbait. I dont know, he apparently has 5 reads but doesnt explain any of them, and just a while earlier he said that he had nothing and was still deciding who to push.
Now we just wait for OO come in. He basically has to vote for Palmar. :D
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EBWOP: Firstly, I'm leaning scum on Marv. His play is very "off" on this Day 1. Not enough for me to justify lynching him, but enough for me NOT to trust him.
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On March 28 2013 02:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment. Firstly, I'm leaning scum on Marv. His play is very "off" on this Day 1. Not enough for me to justify lynching him, but enough for me to trust him. Secondly Palmar is very likely town. He's showing much more interest in this game than I've ever really seen him put into a game as scum. Just because he got the Grack wrong (which was completely reasonable), I don't see how he's scum. Also as scum, why would he shoot the guy he was visciously trying to mislynch (and he would have likely suceeded too)? If you still don't trust Palmar is town, he's always shot really early as town anyway. If he's alive after a few cycles, that's when we look into him. Otherwise, nothing about his gameplay suggests that he's "obv-scum" or whatever you're spouting.
What do you expect Marv's play to look like?
What is different from this game and Hydra/Duel/MTG?
Wait what? Did Palmar outright claim the hit?
Much more interest means being a dick day 1 and pushing Grack wrongly, then being really really nice day 2, and not pushing ANYTHING. Right.
Do you still think Prp is scum?
I guess so.
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My play in this game doesn't look like any of those games, and my play in all of those games was quite different. That's a bad argument for me to be town.
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On March 28 2013 03:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 02:57 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hapa can you explain why we are not lynching Palmar today, and if not today, then when do you want to lynch him?
Do you see anything townie about his play?
Do you see anything scummy about his play?
What do you think about his suspicions of marv considering Marv is probably town?
Also notice the fact that his list is basically echoing town sentiment. Firstly, I'm leaning scum on Marv. His play is very "off" on this Day 1. Not enough for me to justify lynching him, but enough for me to trust him. Secondly Palmar is very likely town. He's showing much more interest in this game than I've ever really seen him put into a game as scum. Just because he got the Grack wrong (which was completely reasonable), I don't see how he's scum. Also as scum, why would he shoot the guy he was visciously trying to mislynch (and he would have likely suceeded too)? If you still don't trust Palmar is town, he's always shot really early as town anyway. If he's alive after a few cycles, that's when we look into him. Otherwise, nothing about his gameplay suggests that he's "obv-scum" or whatever you're spouting. What do you expect Marv's play to look like? What is different from this game and Hydra/Duel/MTG?
It just feels... "off". He's been more passive than I'm used to, and he's taking less charge of things than I traditionally see him do as town.
Vague/unsatisfying response? Probably. However I've played a ton of games with marv, and his play here feels noticeably different from his normal town play.
Wait what? Did Palmar outright claim the hit?
What are you talking about? I'm saying that IF palmar was scum (as you suggest), it makes very little sense for scum to order the shot on the guy he was trying to mislynch.
Much more interest means being a dick day 1 and pushing Grack wrongly, then being really really nice day 2, and not pushing ANYTHING. Right.
His push on Grack was wrong, but perfectly reasonable. People get stuff wrong, and I can see where Palmar's read was coming from. HIs logic was sound, and I have no reason to be suspicious of him for it. As for being "really really nice Day 2"... whatever. That's not alignment indicative at all.
Do you still think Prp is scum?
I guess so.
Duh. He keeps disappearing every time I try to have an extended conversation with him, and it's annoying.
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On March 28 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
My play in this game doesn't look like any of those games, and my play in all of those games was quite different. That's a bad argument for me to be town.
Why has your play been different marv? You yourself acknowledge that you aren't playing like the traditional town-marv we all know and love.
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Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed.
What.
lol Hapa.
Prp tends to disappear as town too.
In duel he disappeared in day 3 and got mislynched for his troubles.
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On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Prp tends to disappear as town too.
In duel he disappeared in day 3 and got mislynched for his troubles.
Of course I mean that prp disappearing isnt alignment indicative.
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On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed.
Huh? Then where's the claim?
Day-vigi's almost always claim right before or after a shot.
Prp tends to disappear as town too.
In duel he disappeared in day 3 and got mislynched for his troubles.
Yes, but he's also scummy with or without the disappearance.
Admittedly he's improved a bit while I was away from the thread, but I can't tell how genuine that is without seeing him post more.
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On March 28 2013 03:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed. Huh? Then where's the claim? Day-vigi's almost always claim right before or after a shot. Show nested quote +Prp tends to disappear as town too.
In duel he disappeared in day 3 and got mislynched for his troubles.
Yes, but he's also scummy with or without the disappearance. Admittedly he's improved a bit while I was away from the thread, but I can't tell how genuine that is without seeing him post more.
Because he probably has other powers and doesnt want to get nightkilled//rb.
Or he is embarrassed that he killed a townie.
Someone not claiming the kill is like the worst reason ever to call it a scum kill.
Why would scum kill Grack?
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On March 28 2013 02:38 Hapahauli wrote:The spreading suspicion thing is in regard to your early-game questioning. I'm generally fine with questioning, but it's very scummy in the manner that you did it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=36#720Basically as I outlined here, you repeatedly spread suspicion on players without drawing any conclusion or analysis. On Acro... Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote:
If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers. But already here, this is complete bullshit. I thought that Acrofales was scum for the first long time so I asked Palmar for his opinion, but I wasn't really all that concerned with Palmar's opinion per se (because he looks townie enough to me already), I was worried about Acrofales alignment and why people thought he was town. Now tell me, how on earth is this spreading suspicion? Do you honestly believe that anybody did anything other than maybe take a harder look on Acrofales because of what I said here?On Sinani... Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy? And on InsertSmurfHere/Nisani... Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:@sinani206 Why haven't you been playing mafia for ages and what made you suddenly come back to this game? @Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time  @InsertSmurfHere On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
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Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
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That can't be true unless you're like ... no, that can't be true.
Okay, I can actually kind of see your point about the InsertSmurfHere suspicion and that's kind of true. I thought it was odd and I didn't mind that people knew about it. Originally I had written a lot more to InsertSmurfHere in this quote where I speculated on his identity but I decided that it wasn't all that important so I dropped it and just posted what I found weird: that there's someone who thinks he knows my alignment on D1 when I get lynched all the time regardless of alignment. And that is a little weird.
Not only are your suspicions devoid of analysis, but you never follow up on them. You "poke" a player with a question, incite suspicion, and then that's the end of the issue. This is textbook scum-behavior really.
I didn't follow up on my questions soon after I asked them in the thread. I generally don't do that, especially not when there's someone else in the thread that I'd rather like to lynch (Grackaroni).
Your entire case is excessively speculative and you're wildly drawing conclusions from just about no evidence. Even though InsertSmurfHere showed you how to go about me, you didn't at any point reconsider even though my filter is very short and easy to reread.
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On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed.
I mean fuck dude, this makes no sense at all with a scum-Palmar theory.
On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack.
Look at the above post.
In your story, "scum-Palmar" knows that Grack got shot by town, then goes ahead and assumes it's a scum-shot very early on? Why would scum so blatantly lie like that when they know its a lie?
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