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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
I have about an hour, so let's make this quick. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:24 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote I leik prplzh I'd would be pretty sweet and awesome if you could explain what made you change your mind. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
1) What is your stance on me? 2) When you defended prplzh last night, what were you leaning on him? (Town or null) | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
Not mafia. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:32 prplhz wrote: I'd would be pretty sweet and awesome if you could explain what made you change your mind. I rather liked the last post, and you've been slowly improving overnight in terms of analysis. Combined with that is this lingering suspicion of InsertSmurfHere for his defense of you last night. Details will be disclosed shortly. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:23 Hapahauli wrote: I mean fuck dude, this makes no sense at all with a scum-Palmar theory. Look at the above post. In your story, "scum-Palmar" knows that Grack got shot by town, then goes ahead and assumes it's a scum-shot very early on? Why would scum so blatantly lie like that when they know its a lie? Well generally people thought it was a scum shot at the time AFAIK. Then he 180s after I explain my 180. I dont know, its just weird. I wanna lynch palmar. Im going keep saying this. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:16 Hapahauli wrote: Why has your play been different marv? You yourself acknowledge that you aren't playing like the traditional town-marv we all know and love. On March 27 2013 23:59 marvellosity wrote: I've made it pretty clear who I want to lynch, and your response "I'm ignoring that player" doesn't help. I'm going to say this only once, so you guys can take it or leave it. I had a horrible experience in Personality where I spammed way too much, got overemotional, got tunnelled, and got blinded. So much so that I barely read more than a couple of filters that game. This game I'm trying to turn my back on all that and take a bird's eye view. Is this a possibly convenient excuse for an uninvested mafia-marv? Sure. But it's not the case. Anyway, I'm not going to mention it again. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Well generally people thought it was a scum shot at the time AFAIK. Then he 180s after I explain my 180. I dont know, its just weird. I wanna lynch palmar. Im going keep saying this. We're not lynching Palmar so you're wasting your time, your vote, and your posts pursuing this. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:33 Hapahauli wrote: I rather liked the last post, and you've been slowly improving overnight in terms of analysis. Combined with that is this lingering suspicion of InsertSmurfHere for his defense of you last night. Details will be disclosed shortly. You just read a rather big post and decided to unvote in less than one minute. Maybe you have 3rd grade reading level but in my opinion that's rather fast. You seemed very adamant about me yesterday (or whenever you made that case, like 14 hours ago). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:44 prplhz wrote: You just read a rather big post and decided to unvote in less than one minute. Maybe you have 3rd grade reading level but in my opinion that's rather fast. You seemed very adamant about me yesterday (or whenever you made that case, like 14 hours ago). As previously stated, the unvote was coming for a little while. I just needed to see a post like that longer one for me to confirm my change of mind. Also I am a fast reader. @ Marv But here's what gets me... you played Hydra Mini just fine concurrently with Personality. Your town-style worked fine in pretty much every game except for Personality. So why are you lingering on Personality so much? It's a shitty, stupid game that everyone should forget about, and certainly nothing worth changing your tried and tested approach to the game over. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:33 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Not mafia Not mafia. Regarding the Town-Read on Myself You spent a good portion of last night thinking the opposite of that. What gives? You accused me of being "lazy" pushing prplzh (wtf?!?)... when I was screaming bloody murder about him. What concerns me about all this is how lazy you are with this push on prplhz. I really think you don't know him well if you think low activity = scum in his case. What is MOST concerning, however, is how easily Nisani jumps in with you. Observe: And again you just casually throw out the idea that I"m scum. On March 27 2013 15:11 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Hapa, you scum bro? Like, I just posted one of his fucking reads. Holy balls. Normally I'd understand someone being suspicious of me attacking one of their "town-reads", but this is absurd given that you pretty much never followed up on this idea beyond two random posts and have been treating me as a townie otherwise. Secondly, a big theme of your game so far has been to converse with me. This is exceptionally odd and objective pointless - why are you trying to converse and seek opinions from the guy who you think is obv-town? There's literally no objective purpose in this. Why are you asking me for opinions on Nisani rather than anyone you're suspicious, hell even null about? It's not a townie mindset to buddy with confirmed townies like this, especially when you disregard pursuing information elsewhere in order to do so. In fact it's exactly what Z-Boson did in British Mini I. Same exact play. Regarding your Prplhz town read Lol for some reason I had assumed that you were defending prplhz because he was null to you last night. Silly me. Ignore this. Anti-climatic yes but w/e. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:51 Hapahauli wrote: But here's what gets me... you played Hydra Mini just fine concurrently with Personality. Your town-style worked fine in pretty much every game except for Personality. So why are you lingering on Personality so much? It's a shitty, stupid game that everyone should forget about, and certainly nothing worth changing your tried and tested approach to the game over. I disagree, it's absolutely worth me taking Personality to heart. Besides, your main issue with me is basically the presentation. It's not like I'm going to look for mafia particularly differently (aside from making sure I spend time researching stuff instead of arguing constantly in thread). I catch mafia because I'm diligent and somewhat perceptive, which doesn't require spam/emotion. | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
And yes, you are lazy for this push on him because you failed to accurately discern his town and scum play. You went "it's different from his town games!!!1!!!!1" without ever trying to draw a meaningful comparison to his mafia games. Yes, this type of stupid push is exactly what I expect out of mafia Hapa, but the fact that you've retracted it is a point in your favor. You're someone that needs convincing on the Nisani thing. I argue with people over their reads to get them to lynch my scum reads. It happens all the time. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Of the two, I thought Sinani had a higher chance of flipping red. He came in and bombed a case at a time when I was railing against prplhz. Often I see scum make plays like this - slam down a confident case against a non-suspicious party in order to look original and throw the town into chaos. Furthermore, when he entered, he also randomly attacked Yamato and soft-pushed the current suspicion of the thread (prplhz) without giving any clear opinions on him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814 His filter reads a lot like clean scum-play, and his only real contribution is his case on Nisani, which reads a lot like a lynch-bait case. Also, I really didn't get scum-vibes from Nisani's filter. Yes it's short, and yes he doesn't justify his read on prplhz very much, but the way he pushed Acro early on (and how he came off Acro) seemed fairly genuine. | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
Oats isn't going to listen to me. Marv is pursuing Nisani. Prplhz has expressed interest. Why not lynch Nisani? What makes you think he's town? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
##Vote Sinani | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:57 Hapahauli wrote: Now as for Nisani, I just have him and Sinani labeled as lurkers. I did a brief dive through their metas last night, and basically arrived at the conclusion that they are lurk-tastic regardless of alignment. Of the two, I thought Sinani had a higher chance of flipping red. He came in and bombed a case at a time when I was railing against prplhz. Often I see scum make plays like this - slam down a confident case against a non-suspicious party in order to look original and throw the town into chaos. Furthermore, when he entered, he also randomly attacked Yamato and soft-pushed the current suspicion of the thread (prplhz) without giving any clear opinions on him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814 His filter reads a lot like clean scum-play, and his only real contribution is his case on Nisani, which reads a lot like a lynch-bait case. Also, I really didn't get scum-vibes from Nisani's filter. Yes it's short, and yes he doesn't justify his read on prplhz very much, but the way he pushed Acro early on (and how he came off Acro) seemed fairly genuine. Most of this makes no sense, but especially the bolded bit. His case didn't throw the town into chaos, and I can't even remotely see how it was ever going to throw the town into chaos. Given Acro had been pursuing Nisani already, I also don't see how it was against a "non-suspicious" party. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 28 2013 03:55 marvellosity wrote: I disagree, it's absolutely worth me taking Personality to heart. Besides, your main issue with me is basically the presentation. It's not like I'm going to look for mafia particularly differently (aside from making sure I spend time researching stuff instead of arguing constantly in thread). I catch mafia because I'm diligent and somewhat perceptive, which doesn't require spam/emotion. Well it makes it pretty damn difficult to read you this way. Secondly, I don't mind the lack of emotion as much as I mind the lack of engagement. You usually take much more charge of things, and emotion is not required to play town-leader. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 28 2013 04:01 marvellosity wrote: Most of this makes no sense, but especially the bolded bit. His case didn't throw the town into chaos, and I can't even remotely see how it was ever going to throw the town into chaos. Given Acro had been pursuing Nisani already, I also don't see how it was against a "non-suspicious" party. What has Sinani done this game? His filter: 1) A really awkward exchange with me about OO not reading his role PM. 2) Prplhz suspicion he never follows up on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=25#497 3) A neatly packaged case on Nisani: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#809 4) ...whilst concurrently making a snide comment against the person defending prplhz (and NOT commenting on his stance on prplhz) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814 It reads a lot like your archtypical "clean" scum-play. I've discussed this read with you before, and I've used it successfully in many games. If you disagree, what am I missing here in your view? | ||
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InsertSmurfHere
288 Posts
On March 28 2013 04:00 Hapahauli wrote: So counter-question - talk to me about Sinani a bit. Why is he town? He's officially my top scumread nao. ##Vote Sinani Sinani is in my lurker-null category. But he's less of a good lynch than Nisani, simply because he came in with a case pushing Nisani when you were koo-koo for prpl-puffs. Coulda been really easy to just sheep you and start assailing me/prplhz at that time, but he didn't. | ||
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