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What I found in Fruity D1 was that he played differently from here. What I found in the rest of Fruity was that he loosened up and started engaging the thread. He continued to do so in his next town game, LX, and did so right from the start. I said that here:
On March 27 2013 11:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 11:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:27 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 11:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? It doesn't matter what you thought at the time. In fact, I didn't even look at your filter. You made a meta case saying OO was town this game because he wasn't playing like in Hydra, where he was scum. So obviously I looked at that game, and at his recent town games. I don't see how he is playing similar to his town games... if anything, his meta has been more similar to his scum game (which isn't saying much, because it is a single game). So yeah, I don't see at all how you have a meta town read on OO. And the fact that you had a scumread on OO because he was trolling on D1 as a townie just seems to reinforce the fact that your meta case was complete crap. So once again, how on earth did that town read on OO come about? No, don't turn this around on me when you failed to answer the basic question I put to you. You contended that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people", and I pointed out that in Fruity he literally made 10 posts and didn't interact with anyone at all. I want you to explain how you came to the conclusion that he was "far more engaged and discussing things with people" in those games that you yourself cited. The impression I got from his filter. You call it trolly. I call it relaxed and engaging with people. The real important part is that his play is WORLDS apart from his play this game... And that you failed to see that despite playing in those games, while I just had a look through the relevant filter and thread sequences. + Show Spoiler +Actively engaging in conversation with his fellow players: On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:
1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome,
You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! On February 26 2013 09:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote:On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? Relaxed and joking: On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts. On February 26 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote:
wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person.
and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert.
Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life.
## Vote the Macho Man
This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. I don't "fail" to see these things Acro, much like I didn't "fail" to see all the things you accused me of in MTG 2 (where in fact I was proved right at every turn) What I really need you to do is not turn this into a suspicion of me (feel free to do this separately from this conversation) but just to answer me straight. Please go and look at Obvious's day 1 in Fruity. He literally did not talk to a single player for the entire cycle. You can verify this by looking at his filter. He only started engaging Night 1 when he was bandied around as a possible vigilante target. You provide a couple of examples from LX, but you can't find a single one from Fruity Day 1, right? So why are you including this game in your read of him as 'engaged' as town? Where are you going with this? I looked at fruity and was like "wait, that's not how he's playing this game", then read LX and saw that he was actively engaging the thread and pretty damned relaxed, which is pretty similar to his later play in Fruity. I will do whatever I like with this info, now explain your damn meta town read on OO.
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Good morning. The fact that nobody is commenting on Marv means we are either reliving MTG 2, or he is scum and his scumbuddies are deflecting with a timely case on someone else. For now, I reread our exchange and Marv feels as if he is intentionally pushing my buttons, which is something I feel when rereading MTG 2 as well. Yet some things...
On March 27 2013 12:33 Hapahauli wrote:
Acro, I think that part of marv's OO read looks fine.
The point is that OO was exceptionally lurky and scared in Hydra Mini. His play is not like that this game. Looking at his game in Fruity, it's a tad more active, and more similar to this game.
On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why?
Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll.
Everybody: have you looked at Marv this game? What is his alignment? I really don't want to repeat MTG 2 where I solo-tunnel (or there with DI in a reinforcing hydra chat of tunnelvision) Marv all game. READ HIM AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.
I know Hapa and Keir want to lynch prplhz. I don't feel the lynch. Mainly because:
On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet.
Nisani still scum even if you guys forget that. And this is the scummiest reason to vote for a guy in the thread. Lets look at Nisani so far, right?
+ Show Spoiler [prplhz null] +On March 26 2013 14:02 Nisani201 wrote:
The bold part doesn't mean anything, that's just what he had bolded in his post. The point is that that post is telling people to vote based on what's happening in the meaningless beginning parts of the game.
"Contentless" isn't about quantity, it's about how much of his posts have his own opinions on things. Which isn't really in his filter at all.
I don't know how prplhz is a primary suspicion in this game, he has 3 posts which all mean nothing.
InsertSmurfHere's analysis on Dandel looks like scum bait. No one bit it, which is unfortunate but these things don't always work.
I don't see anything weird about marv, is there a case on him? Because if there is then I don't remember reading it.
And then:
+ Show Spoiler [lets vote for him] +On March 27 2013 12:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't understand why we're still taking about this meta stuff. Just because OO’s play style is different in this game than another doesn't make him scum. In fact, it means absolutely nothing.
I agree that prplhz has been flying under the radar and he could be scum. I want to hear other's thoughts on it though. On March 27 2013 13:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, throwing my vote on prplhz.
Not gonna do the ## thing here though because I'm on my tablet.
Where's the justification? It is PURELY reactionary to
On March 27 2013 12:58 Keirathi wrote:
P.S: @Nisani:
Who do you want to lynch?
Who's the flavour of the page? Prplhz is. Pressure on Nisani to do anything disappeared, and Nisani could crawl back into his scumQT.
Also, this:
On March 27 2013 14:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 13:40 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:People need to stop being idiots and vote for Prplhz. I challenge you to figure out how this quote comes from a townie: On March 27 2013 05:33 prplhz wrote:On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar. Aren't you worried that Palmar is making bad cases and people are just sheeping them? It kinda seems like you think it's a bad thing but you're perfectly fine with it. Prplhz sheeped Palmar on his Grack case. He should find him town.
Therefore, he passively suggests to Nisani that Nisani should find Palmar more suspicious? Yeah no. I thought it was really weird that Nisani201 thought that Palmar's case on Grackaroni was bullshit yet he didn't seem to think that Palmar was scum. Palmar is a guy who you can rely on having good reads for good reason but Nisani201 just dismissed the read without trying at all to put any pressure on Palmar and I found that weird so I poked him. Why would you encourage pressure against a guy you should think is town? Added to your general "lack-of-giving-a-shit" and multiple soft-pushes of players in the thread, u scum brah.
reads like confirmation bias if I ever saw it. The prplhz bit isn't encouraging pressure against Palmar, it's saying he saw an inconsistency in Nisani's play and wanted that explained.
Eh, I don't know why I am defending prplhz. I looked over his filter and everything said about him is right. Just Nisani is even scummier and it looks highly unlikely they're both scum.
In completely unrelated news. WTF is that kill on Grack in the middle of nowhere?
On March 27 2013 20:26 Palmar wrote:
Strange the shot didn't get claimed huh?
I'd imagine both factions would want to take credit for the kill, seeing as I was putting pressure on Grack. Since no one claimed the shot I'm going to assume it's a scum-shot. I don't think any townie would be this stupid, and there is a clear scum motivation to shooting Grack.
The first line seems very insincere. He wants to say it's strange, but isn't too sure of himself. This seems completely uncharacteristic for Palmar. Palmar, did you shoot Grack? Out of everybody in the thread, you seem to be the only townie with both the scumspicion and the ego to just shoot Grack out of nowhere on D1. If it's a scum shot, why the hell shoot Grack, when they could take out some high-profile player? Grack was a borderline lurker with a good chance of getting lynched. Why shoot him? I honestly see NO scum motivation for wasting an anonymous dayvig shot on Grack.
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On March 27 2013 21:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Alternatively, I could also lynch snb with pleasure.
I'm fine with prpl too.
No longer think Marv is scum? Explain.
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On March 27 2013 21:55 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:53 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Alternatively, I could also lynch snb with pleasure.
I'm fine with prpl too. No longer think Marv is scum? Explain. It's still the truth that trying to lynch marv d1 is a futile effort because of the fanboy hordes. Not much changed there. As I already said, I won't be around the ~5 hours leading up to the lynch, so even if I wanted to push him, I couldn't. Whatcha thinking bout snb?
I think that SnB qualified his meta quite well:
On March 26 2013 23:34 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 26 2013 14:15 Hapahauli wrote:On March 26 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dudes.
Why are you ignoring SnB's horrible case on Prp?
##Vote: strongandbig What makes it scummy as opposed to a stupid townie thing? Because it was stupid and SnB isnt stupid. Like somethings you can brush away by saying that this dude is dumb, but some you cant. It looked like he wanted to try and mislynch prp and now its gone HORRIBLY WRONG. So he disappears. Insertsmurfhere is not scum I think although dandel is null for me. (YAY RANDOM READS OUTTA NOWHERE) So oats I'm glad you think I'm smart. I'm pretty good at atomic physics, it's true. Seven years ago I also got 36/36 on the ACT and 1600 on the real part of the SAT (fucking writing section). So okay suppose I'm smart. Do you really think that means I can't make a bad case? Or that I can't think a case is good for reasons that other people disagree with? If you really want me to I can point you to past games where I've made cases that everyone else said were bad. I was town in those games. When I'm sum I don't make bad cases, I just don't make cases. Do you really think I was settin up to "try to push a prplhz lynch" singlehandedly, in a game with people who have much more "mafia rep" than I do, and who have much more time to put in than I have? That doesn't sound like a "smart" thing to do. (Pro tip if you look in my filter you can even find out what I was actually doing and why! Treasure hunt!)
While knowing his meta can mean he is changing his meta, as scum he has always been completely disengaged (except WLIIA where he played a pretty damned good scum game). So far I'm not getting that feeling from his filter.
Also regarding Smurf: I have no fucking clue what to say about Smurf at the moment. I thought his case on you was terrible, and it could be terrible scummy. However, he has continued to prove that he has no fucking clue on how to play this game. Does that make him scum? I don't know. Hopefully I'll figure it out soon, but for the moment:
et tu, brute
Fine, we'll lynch Nisani today and worry about Marv tomorrow.
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EBWOP:
##unvote
##vote Nisani90210
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On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games.
1. That's not what I asked.
2. You're not who I asked.
3. You haven't said what you think of Marv.
WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST?
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Oh, and I'm voting alongside Marv, which means I am either wrong about Marv or about Nisani, or Marv is playing tricksy scum.
Fuck this. Nisani is scum. We lynch him, then worry about other people.
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On March 27 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games. 1. That's not what I asked. 2. You're not who I asked. 3. You haven't said what you think of Marv. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST? Sorry refreshed page lost everything. I didnt answer your question. The reason why I made that post was because you seem to be struggling with marv's question on how you saw a different OO from those games. What provoked this response? Did you get so angry reading my post that you couldnt control your fingers? Marv is probably town.
Mainly to get your opinion on Marv, and to ensure that Hapa doesn't think he can just skip the question because you answered it for him. Can you elaborate on your town read on Marv?
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On March 27 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 22:25 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 21:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 11:01 marvellosity wrote:Hi Acro, I need you to explain something for me. This in particular. On March 27 2013 05:08 Acrofales wrote:
There are a bunch of people I think could be scum as well. Cora, Sinani and OO are currently vying for second spot. I just looked over OO's town meta in Fruity and LX and it is very different from his play this game. Far more engaged and discussing things with people, less over-analysing and vague reads. I played in Fruity and Obvious made a grand total of about 10 posts on Day 1 there. Most of them trolling in a nonsensical fashion and in fact not engaging with people at all. I also found him scummy in LX on Day 1 (OO can verify this). You seem to be asserting the opposite, why? Like... what the hell am I reading. You are defending Marv based on a meta read that he DIRECTLY contradicts. You can see Marv thinking this game is more similar because OO is more active here, when his OWN impression of Fruity was that OO was an inactive, unengaged troll. Marv was questioning your meta read on OO from fruity and LX Marv saw uninterested, scummy looking OO from Fruity and LX You didnt. He wanted to know where you are coming from, because he didnt see what you saw on day 1 of those games. 1. That's not what I asked. 2. You're not who I asked. 3. You haven't said what you think of Marv. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BOTHER MAKING THIS POST? Sorry refreshed page lost everything. I didnt answer your question. The reason why I made that post was because you seem to be struggling with marv's question on how you saw a different OO from those games. What provoked this response? Did you get so angry reading my post that you couldnt control your fingers? Marv is probably town. Mainly to get your opinion on Marv, and to ensure that Hapa doesn't think he can just skip the question because you answered it for him. Can you elaborate on your town read on Marv? He is doing jackshit. Basically. Feels a lot like hydra. I meant to say MTG where he hydra'ed there :/ But as far as I can remember, he was useless day 1 in hydra. And in chrono trigger. And in duel. So yeah town.
This logic. It hurts. And I was just starting to think you were town, when you show this complete lack of critical thinking. Is there anything short of outright claiming scum that could cause you to NOT have a town read on Marv?
Marv is active, scumhunting and pushing his reads: he must be town (this one I agree with)
Marv is passive and useless: he must be town.
The mind boggles.
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On March 28 2013 00:40 prplhz wrote:
I seriously don't get anything about this Nisani201 case other than marvellosity's argument which I don't really think is too strong. His play otherwise doesn't really show anything. Or maybe it does and I don't see it.
I mean we can lynch him but I don't see why he should be scum. Gonna read into someone else.
On March 28 2013 00:43 prplhz wrote:
Okay maybe Nisani201 is scum.
I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?
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Also, with about 4 hours left I am stuck at work. Read my case(s) and lynch Nisani. That is all for now.
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On March 28 2013 00:27 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 28 2013 00:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh all I know is that this lynch is not going to come easy. Too many scum candidates and too little time.
I do think Palmar's reasoning for why Grack's shot does not make him scum is valid. It really does not make sense to tie yourself to voting for a person and tunneling them, then go on to shoot them. Doesn't make sense.
Acro is a bit of a harder read. I really cannot tell what he is playing right now, so I won't vote for him on D1. Too much confusion to risk a vote there. I'm worried that Marv is his top scum read, yet he only gave superficial reasons as to why Marv is scum. Marv's defense seems in line with him trying to play a better game, plus his stupid mini-tunnel of me feels way too much like Personality for me to be suspicious now.
Smurf still needs to commit himself to actually scum hunting and not bouncing around multiple targets. Right now he's looking most likely to get my vote.
Prp, now that Grack is dead, can you stop beating around the bush and give us actual reasons as to why Acro could be scum? A vote for anything would be nice too. Interesting. Do you somehow know mafia shot Grack? Because that's how the bolded part reads to me. No, I said it doesn't make sense that it would be a town shot and no one claimed. Do you want to do some thinking for yourself, or will I have to do it for you?
Okay. One more thing.
If scum wanted Palmar dead, why create an elaborate plot to LYNCH Palmar by lynching some random lurker that Palmar had a scumread on, rather than just outright shoot him in the face? It makes NO sense.
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EBWOP: ... by shooting...
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Fuck it, Hapa. I don't have time to reply properly, but your case is terrible.
You give absolutely atrocious meta reasons for Nisani being town, by showing how he is playing the same as his town games. Guess what, he is playing the same style as his scum games too, because that's the way he rolls.
What I did was show how his play was anti-town... not similar to how he plays as scum, but actually anti-town. THAT is why Nisani is scum this game, not some horrid meta argument.
You then use your absolutely terrible confirmation bias to say that because Nisani is town, Sinani is scum, because he didn't see the meta argument. Fucking /facepalm.
So yeah. Nisani is scum. Lynch him. Don't care about the rest.
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On March 28 2013 05:20 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to support Sinani, Cora, reyn lynches I think. Since the last 2 are not going to happen I'm with hapa on the sinani wagon.
I don't think nisani201 will flip scum.
##Vote sinani206
Why the town read on Nisani?
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On March 28 2013 06:27 Hapahauli wrote:
I kinda want to lynch Oats for having completely incoherent suspicions really.
So you want to lynch Oats for playing like Oats. :/
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On March 28 2013 06:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 28 2013 06:27 Hapahauli wrote:
I kinda want to lynch Oats for having completely incoherent suspicions really. So you want to lynch Oats for playing like Oats. :/ Touche. Idunno I'm just not satisfied by any of this right now.
Just sheep me and all will be well.
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On March 28 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:39 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 06:37 ObviousOne wrote:On March 28 2013 06:32 Nisani201 wrote:
I don't really know who else is mafia. I was thinking Cora was suspicious but he's probably not scum.
I'll have to look things over. Guys Guys Lol this is the right person to lynch. Since when the hell are you suspicious of Nisani? Does this not read to you as he's still suspicious of Cora There's no reason, NONE, right now, if you've read the thread, to worry about Cora. Zero.
Well, until one of the masons flips there is always the chance they are 2 parts of a scumteam. But if you are trying to say that there is no reason ATM to want to lynch him at all, then I agree.
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Gimme dat scummy blood. Gogogo
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