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On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar.
Bullshit.
I don't give a rats as that Palmar is pushing the case on Grack. What I do care about is Grack's tone and attitude towards this game, which haven't appeared townie at all.
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On March 27 2013 05:31 prplhz wrote:
@strongandbig I didn't really follow the raynpelikoneet debacles because he's posting a lot and picking fights with everybody and he's grandmother and that's a plus for now.
inb4palmar his*
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On March 27 2013 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 05:05 ObviousOne wrote:
EBWOP: (sorry for triple)
To finish the thought, you're really just defending Grack outright without giving me a proper alternative and I don't like it. I just gave you some names who are not you. Oats / Smurf. Why not lynch them? Get off your ridiculous reasoning and tell us why other than 'go look at my filter, I cba to explain it to you' If you dont know specifically why or if you cant concisely put down a few reasons, how could we think of these people as scum? (yes it includes me, no thats not the point)
Okay, here is your fucking reasoning:
Oats:
Oats is calling S&B scum for his bad case and Smurf he is leaning town on for equally bad case. Both of the cases are based on same (apparently false/bad) meta-reads. After being called out does a full 180. Has no scum reads other than slightly leaning scum on Smurf (in that 180).
Smurf:
Smurf is leaving out stuff that does not speak in favor of his DI case. Stuff that he should have obviously checked. Does defend the case later on when people call him out on it. Can't be any sort of reaction test (rofl Nisani). Other than that this is all he has done:
On March 27 2013 03:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Cora, you have essentially one read that you've fleshed out, and that read has met significant resistance with the thread. Why don't you give a read on a different player? I know you are capable of this as town, I saw it in Duel. Hop off your tunnel train for a minute and realize I want something more alignment indicative out of you than this attack on rayn.
Called Cora out. How is he allowed to tell Cora to do something other than go after me when he hasn't done shit other than an scummy case?
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On March 27 2013 05:18 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi @strongandbig
I voted Grackaroni for all the reasons presented by Palmar, Hapahauli and Keirathi. I liked them all. He's also the best lynch.
I haven't been around much so far which is the explanation for why I didn't post a lot. Just got up to date on the thread. My Grackaroni vote was around page 16 and nothing has changed my mind since that.
Err, what? You just voted Grack 2 hours ago, which was during page ~25 or so.
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On March 27 2013 05:34 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:18 prplhz wrote:
@Keirathi @strongandbig
I voted Grackaroni for all the reasons presented by Palmar, Hapahauli and Keirathi. I liked them all. He's also the best lynch.
I haven't been around much so far which is the explanation for why I didn't post a lot. Just got up to date on the thread. My Grackaroni vote was around page 16 and nothing has changed my mind since that. Err, what? You just voted Grack 2 hours ago, which was during page ~25 or so.
Yea I wasn't up to date on the thread at that point.
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ohai. catching up.
On March 27 2013 05:17 strongandbig wrote:
I'd also very much like to hear Hapahauli's updated opinion of Marvellosity.
I've just read through his contributions to the thread overnight and I'm not impressed. Marv has 2 pages of filter, but there's basically no content in those two-pages. I'm leaning scum on marv right now because of how uncharacteristically useless he's been.
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@InsertSmurfHere
When you backpedaled from your case on Dandel, your main "excuse" was that you took his behavior in British 1 and Personality 2 and made an illogical comparison.
However, it's hard to believe that you didn't make that excuse up retroactively considering how you approached your case. Not only did you make no mention of this in your original case, but your post right after I call you out on it suggests that you were completely unfamiliar with town-Dandel's meta:
On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?
From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?
Or...?
Explain good sir.
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@ Cora
Your case on Rayn makes very little sense. Normally I wouldn't step in and defend a player, but Rayn is one of my strongest town-reads in the thread right now.
When someone is super-active, spammy, and reacts on the fly to new suspicions on the fly, that's like the template for paranoid townie.
Is there something I'm missing?
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In the interests of having meaningful discussion about today's candidates, I would like to see everyone take a stand on who they think should be up for lynch today so we can talk about the candidates and not miss out on the opportunity to hear from people who are in opposite time zones or not able to be in the thread at various points during the day. We're coming up on the halfway point of the day portion and this is the optimal time to switch gears and makes for a good opportunity for any lingering cases yet to be made to get posted in the thread before votes are stuck in useless places due to not being around.
Original post regarding Grack:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote:Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)
This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.
Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null
We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird. Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
Dot points outlining why I think Grack is scum:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 27 2013 03:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? You just don't have a handle on how I play. Marv understands me better. This is how I do. When I talk about something, it's typically because it's either worth replying to or the person I'm talking about is a scum-read of mine or someone I'm interested in getting a better read on myself. There's no reason to talk about townies except in passing and/or when referring to cases. I thought Kei was scummy yesterday but he's looking better today and I have dropped it. I'm hedging my bets on Grack being scum - responded to Palmar's pressure by giving Palmar a town read instead of an alternate lynch proposition - no substantial positions taken outside of calling Nisani's train of thought scummy - a lot of posts but little of any intent - seems to have known better than discuss my meaningless intro post but continues to talk about it for several posts instead of simply shutting down the conversation as pointless
My vote is currently on Grackaroni.
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@ Grack
When you get back, can you give us a list of your scumreads? All I have from you right now is a relatively non-committal case on ObviousOne, and equally non-committal reads on two lurkers (Sinani/Nisani).
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What the hell is wrong with Grack's "attitude" or "intention?" I don't see anything wrong with that.
It's possible that Palmar is scum. I'm more confident on Acrofales scum though.
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On March 27 2013 06:06 Nisani201 wrote:
What the hell is wrong with Grack's "attitude" or "intention?" I don't see anything wrong with that.
It's possible that Palmar is scum. I'm more confident on Acrofales scum though.
Can you outline the reasons for Acro being scum? All I see is an active townie. He's contributed a ton this game. It seemed like you were backing off Acro last night too...
On March 27 2013 04:28 Nisani201 wrote:
Good morning everyone.
The case on Grack is really weak, and if it were made by someone other than Palmar it probably wouldn't be getting nearly as far as it is now.
Just because Smurf made a bad case doesn't mean he's scum. He looks town now and there shouldn't be any suspicion on him.
Acrofales is making a bit more sense but his case on me is just a bunch of OMGUS. Acro, who is your secondary suspect?
... so I'm not sure how you're so confident in your read.
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On March 27 2013 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora
Your case on Rayn makes very little sense. Normally I wouldn't step in and defend a player, but Rayn is one of my strongest town-reads in the thread right now.
When someone is super-active, spammy, and reacts on the fly to new suspicions on the fly, that's like the template for paranoid townie.
Is there something I'm missing?
Perhaps not. I never really thought of Rayn as a paranoid townie. I just wish he would stick with his reads and not react to everything that has happened. It's a new perspective that I didn't think of before. I'm glad you brought this up Hapa.
##Unvote: Rayn
(I forgot to vote him in the thread anyways T.T)
So now my attention turns to Mr. Smurf, the man who calls me out for only scumhunting one person when he has, in fact, scumhunted no one. Care to give us some actual reads Yamato?
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Ok I expected a bit more resistance to a guy you were convinced was scum than that.
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On March 27 2013 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok I expected a bit more resistance to a guy you were convinced was scum than that.
It's a bit weak but I need to get out of this mindset where I tunnel people. It's my biggest flaw in town play. I'm suspicious of him still, but he's done enough not to land my vote so far (he's started to consolidate his reads a bit more and hasn't acted as paranoid).
I wanted to pressure Yamato anyways. He's basically being hypocritical when he's calling me out for not scum hunting.
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Lol I just ninja claimed town. Take that as a null point T.T
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On March 27 2013 06:12 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora
Your case on Rayn makes very little sense. Normally I wouldn't step in and defend a player, but Rayn is one of my strongest town-reads in the thread right now.
When someone is super-active, spammy, and reacts on the fly to new suspicions on the fly, that's like the template for paranoid townie.
Is there something I'm missing? Perhaps not. I never really thought of Rayn as a paranoid townie. I just wish he would stick with his reads and not react to everything that has happened. It's a new perspective that I didn't think of before. I'm glad you brought this up Hapa. ##Unvote: Rayn(I forgot to vote him in the thread anyways T.T) So now my attention turns to Mr. Smurf, the man who calls me out for only scumhunting one person when he has, in fact, scumhunted no one. Care to give us some actual reads Yamato?
I love the way that you totally ignored me when I basically said the same thing, yet when Hapa said it you're like "oh yeaaaah, awesome point dude!!!!!!!!"
I'm also amused that Hapa comes back calling me useless, and then proceeds to make exactly the same point that I already made.
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I just read through Acro's filter again and I could be wrong about him.
I want to believe Palmar is scum but I've been wrong about him in the past which is why I'm not pushing against him.
I don't really know who else is scum. All of the current candidates are pretty bad. I'm gonna look into Cora.
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You're stlil useless marv. 1 valid town read isn't exactly the standard I hold your town play to.
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