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On March 27 2013 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok I expected a bit more resistance to a guy you were convinced was scum than that.
I'm with you here.
On March 27 2013 05:58 ObviousOne wrote:In the interests of having meaningful discussion about today's candidates, I would like to see everyone take a stand on who they think should be up for lynch today so we can talk about the candidates and not miss out on the opportunity to hear from people who are in opposite time zones or not able to be in the thread at various points during the day. We're coming up on the halfway point of the day portion and this is the optimal time to switch gears and makes for a good opportunity for any lingering cases yet to be made to get posted in the thread before votes are stuck in useless places due to not being around.
Original post regarding Grack: + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote:Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)
This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.
Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null
We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird. Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Dot points outlining why I think Grack is scum: + Show Spoiler +On March 27 2013 03:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? You just don't have a handle on how I play. Marv understands me better. This is how I do. When I talk about something, it's typically because it's either worth replying to or the person I'm talking about is a scum-read of mine or someone I'm interested in getting a better read on myself. There's no reason to talk about townies except in passing and/or when referring to cases. I thought Kei was scummy yesterday but he's looking better today and I have dropped it. I'm hedging my bets on Grack being scum - responded to Palmar's pressure by giving Palmar a town read instead of an alternate lynch proposition - no substantial positions taken outside of calling Nisani's train of thought scummy - a lot of posts but little of any intent - seems to have known better than discuss my meaningless intro post but continues to talk about it for several posts instead of simply shutting down the conversation as pointless
My vote is currently on Grackaroni.
I like this initiative. Here's mine: I could lynch either Grack or Nisani at the moment.
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Marv did not say anything about Rayn being paranoid town. He just mentioned Rayn overreacting to prp's message, which wouldn't really be paranoid if it was a one time occurrence.
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On March 27 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
Marv did not say anything about Rayn being paranoid town. He just mentioned Rayn overreacting to prp's message, which wouldn't really be paranoid if it was a one time occurrence.
I listed pretty much the same traits that Hapa did, and said I didn't see them as mafia characteristics. Hapa does the same but dresses it up as "paranoid townie". One gets totally ignored, the other gets an immediate unvote from you.
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@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?
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On March 27 2013 06:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok I expected a bit more resistance to a guy you were convinced was scum than that. It's a bit weak but I need to get out of this mindset where I tunnel people. It's my biggest flaw in town play. I'm suspicious of him still, but he's done enough not to land my vote so far (he's started to consolidate his reads a bit more and hasn't acted as paranoid).I wanted to pressure Yamato anyways. He's basically being hypocritical when he's calling me out for not scum hunting.
The problem i have with you is this:
You said i was attacking Oats / Smurf with no reasoning. You had surely read my filter because you made a big post with a lot of quotes from me. You just conveniently left out the posts where i explain why i think they are scum. Hell, the posts are next to the ones you quoted in this post:
On March 27 2013 01:22 cDgCorazon wrote:You haven't attacked anyone? Really? + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll throw the first stone:
##Vote: prplhz for not following his own advice! On March 26 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A perfectly valid case. Says we need to not spam and has three posts in the first four.
Are you his scumbuddy Cora? On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? On March 26 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of that marv & Keir seem to be quite defensive about prplhz. Why not let the guy answer himself? On March 26 2013 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have one problem with marv. He pressure voted me early on in the game. When i asked his what's up with the ninja vote, he posted this: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:On March 26 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's with the ninja vote marv? Just curious how you'd react given you totally overreacted to prplhz. I can join Hapa on his policy lynch though, so you're in luck ^^ ##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne If he really thought i overreacted to prplhz why wouldn't he pressure me more? Was the "what's up with the ninja vote" somekinda secret townie answer i gave? If i was marv and i thought someone overreacted to something and i was already pressuring him, i would definitely keep the pressure on to try to find more clues about their alignment. Here he just completely drops the issue and changes his vote to a policy target (which i do not see serving any purpose in finding mafia). On March 26 2013 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am starting to have an urge to lynch Oats. On March 26 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And i personally think Smurf's case is totally more likely to be made by a mafioso than S&B's. Really? What I see here is lots of accusations but nothing behind them (although the Marv suspicion was decent, I'll admit that).
Last two quotes. Why did you miss my reasoning on my reads on those people?
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Are you going to go anywhere with this Marv?
You basically said what Rayn did, Hapa made actual analysis on it and summed it up. Plus he made it so I could actually see his point. You just made a wall of text with your point hidden somewhere in it.
If you want to vote for me, go ahead. You out of all people should be cautious of that Marv, especially after you burned yourself so badly with your crappy read on me last game. So bad that you didn't even believe my flip.
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On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?
He has very little in his filter. He's playing slightly better than he usually does, idk if that's a scumtell or not.
I want to see what his reads are.
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Rayn why are you attacking me alongside others? This is another play of yours that is annoying the crap out of me.
Don't follow thread sentiment, do some actual thinking.
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On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy?
Question for you: what's your problem with me?
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On March 27 2013 06:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
Are you going to go anywhere with this Marv?
You basically said what Rayn did, Hapa made actual analysis on it and summed it up. Plus he made it so I could actually see his point. You just made a wall of text with your point hidden somewhere in it.
If you want to vote for me, go ahead. You out of all people should be cautious of that Marv, especially after you burned yourself so badly with your crappy read on me last game. So bad that you didn't even believe my flip.
Now you're just blatantly making shit up.
On March 27 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 01:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 27 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holy crap Corazon is failing hard to even read my filter. I read your filter and all you've done is attack 6 people, all of which have been under pressure from others. I read your filter bro. Get some better defense. The fact is that rayn has brought new things to the table too; his analysis/vote of OO's second post, or Oats' apparent contradiction with the prplhz/Dandel cases - and indeed something came of this. Being active, suspicious of many people, and aggressively questioning are not what I think of as mafia characteristics.
Wall of text? Give me a break. You're telling me my point is horribly obscured here, by my 2 sentence post with the sentence in question being in a paragraph all on its own? Yes?
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On March 27 2013 06:28 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
@Nisani201 How do you feel about that sinani206 guy? Question for you: what's your problem with me?
What makes you think I have a problem with you?
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On March 27 2013 06:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
Are you going to go anywhere with this Marv?
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Btw the post Hapa linked and the post you quoted were different. That's why I said the stuff I said.
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On March 27 2013 06:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn why are you attacking me alongside others? This is another play of yours that is annoying the crap out of me.
Don't follow thread sentiment, do some actual thinking.
I'm sorry. When is the good time to ask you that question? Day 7?
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On March 27 2013 05:09 prplhz wrote:@Acrofales What you think about Palmar? What did Nisani201 say to make you think that he is scum? Just a line or two, I'm not a big fan of huge posts. And yes, I did read your filter so please bear with me if there was something I didn't understand and say it one more time 
I thought Palmar's early play was somewhat town. Since then all he has done is pop in from time to time to yell that we should lynch Grack. Not a lynch priority, because Palmar doing something D1 is better than nothing, but pretty null overall.
2 lines: his case on me misrepresented my play malignantly and contained an obvious contradiction. Creating fake scumreads is scum behaviour.
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On March 27 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn why are you attacking me alongside others? This is another play of yours that is annoying the crap out of me.
Don't follow thread sentiment, do some actual thinking. I'm sorry. When is the good time to ask you that question? Day 7?
Perhaps not at the same time as Hapa and Marv are getting on me.
You're just trying to kick others while they are down. I wouldn't have said anything had this been the first time.
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On March 27 2013 05:51 Hapahauli wrote:@InsertSmurfHereWhen you backpedaled from your case on Dandel, your main "excuse" was that you took his behavior in British 1 and Personality 2 and made an illogical comparison. However, it's hard to believe that you didn't make that excuse up retroactively considering how you approached your case. Not only did you make no mention of this in your original case, but your post right after I call you out on it suggests that you were completely unfamiliar with town-Dandel's meta: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?
From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?
Or...? Explain good sir.
If Smurf is Yamato, then he PLAYED with DI in at least one game where they were both town (Personality 2), so how does this even make sense?
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On March 27 2013 06:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 05:51 Hapahauli wrote:@InsertSmurfHereWhen you backpedaled from your case on Dandel, your main "excuse" was that you took his behavior in British 1 and Personality 2 and made an illogical comparison. However, it's hard to believe that you didn't make that excuse up retroactively considering how you approached your case. Not only did you make no mention of this in your original case, but your post right after I call you out on it suggests that you were completely unfamiliar with town-Dandel's meta: On March 26 2013 12:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Is he an idiot as town, too?
From your filter, that is what I surmise is your opinion of him already. If that's the case, I guess you're content to let him lurk away the rest of day 1 as he intends?
Or...? Explain good sir. If Smurf is Yamato, then he PLAYED with DI in at least one game where they were both town (Personality 2), so how does this even make sense?
I think that the Smurf is yamato, but I'm not sure. Secondly, let the man speak for himself. Sometimes I ask questions expecting certain answers.
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Actually, the whole think-before-you-post thing is coming to me now. If Smurf is Yamato, then based on Personality 2, he should have some idea of how DI plays as town, and therefore his question is an insincere coverup for the shitty case.
That is a good point.
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@ Marv
What do you think of Cora right now? I can't tell where you're going with this line of questioning. You seem to be more interested in criticizing his play than questioning him because he's scummy or something.
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