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On March 27 2013 06:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:
Ok I expected a bit more resistance to a guy you were convinced was scum than that. It's a bit weak but I need to get out of this mindset where I tunnel people. It's my biggest flaw in town play. I'm suspicious of him still, but he's done enough not to land my vote so far (he's started to consolidate his reads a bit more and hasn't acted as paranoid). I wanted to pressure Yamato anyways. He's basically being hypocritical when he's calling me out for not scum hunting.
I want to say that I really like this post. It is pretty easy to fake as scum, but if you're town and making a conscious effort to improve your play by not tunneling, I am impressed.
As scum, I wouldn't expect you to give up a comfy tunnel as you just did, so some townie points for that as well.
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@ Nisani
Why do you "want to believe" that Palmar is scum? If you think he's scum, then go after him.
Furthermore, I don't understand why you think the Grack case is bad. These are your stated reasons:
The case on Grack is really weak, and if it were made by someone other than Palmar it probably wouldn't be getting nearly as far as it is now.
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar.
...and they're pretty inadequate. I especially don't understand the bolded segment. The Grack case is primarily based on precisely that - that his reactions are completely objective, ungenuine, and purposeless in the context of the thread. How are his reactions not scummy? Furthermore, what in his filter to you suggests that he's town?
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On March 27 2013 06:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
Btw the post Hapa linked and the post you quoted were different. That's why I said the stuff I said.
I'm just trying to get insight into how you're thinking here. What were the differences that led you to not understand what I was getting at, but to accept what Hapa was saying?
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On March 27 2013 06:49 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2013 06:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Rayn why are you attacking me alongside others? This is another play of yours that is annoying the crap out of me.
Don't follow thread sentiment, do some actual thinking. I'm sorry. When is the good time to ask you that question? Day 7? Perhaps not at the same time as Hapa and Marv are getting on me. You're just trying to kick others while they are down. I wouldn't have said anything had this been the first time.
Look:
- I made my case on OO when i woke up. The role pm stuff (which i found stupid anyways) was already history.
- I was the one who started questioning Oats. First about his "marv can't be lynched on D1 stuff" and then i brought up his scummy behaviour.
I am not kicking anyone when they are down. If you could just answer me why did you miss that stuff i talked about so i can move on?
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On March 27 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:
Actually, the whole think-before-you-post thing is coming to me now. If Smurf is Yamato, then based on Personality 2, he should have some idea of how DI plays as town, and therefore his question is an insincere coverup for the shitty case.
That is a good point.
I "trolled" a bit less at my entrance in Personality, for reasons (mainly that I was replacing).
I am, however, still sure that smurf is both yamato and scum.
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Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?
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On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato?
does it matter?
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Hi marv. Talk to me pl0x.
On March 27 2013 06:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
What do you think of Cora right now? I can't tell where you're going with this line of questioning. You seem to be more interested in criticizing his play than questioning him because he's scummy or something.
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On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato? does it matter?
Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so.
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On March 27 2013 05:58 ObviousOne wrote:In the interests of having meaningful discussion about today's candidates, I would like to see everyone take a stand on who they think should be up for lynch today so we can talk about the candidates and not miss out on the opportunity to hear from people who are in opposite time zones or not able to be in the thread at various points during the day. We're coming up on the halfway point of the day portion and this is the optimal time to switch gears and makes for a good opportunity for any lingering cases yet to be made to get posted in the thread before votes are stuck in useless places due to not being around.
Original post regarding Grack: + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2013 15:39 ObviousOne wrote:Grack reads like he's ready to become an echo of thread sentiment. By admission this is a return to the game and he may be a bit rusty for that. I liked: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
For the record Hapa: When I say that I don't like Sinani using the fact that OO didn't read his role PM to say that he is scum.
I mean that Sinani is using scummy logic. (he is misconstruing something that should not be alignment indicative and using it against OO to say that he is scum.)
This is my first game in a long time and I am having some trouble finding where I need to focus. But I am giving reads and I will continue to do so.
Lack of forthcoming reads about people he's asking questions about is kind of weird, him espousing as much is highlighted here: Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 12:56 Grackaroni wrote:On March 26 2013 12:49 strongandbig wrote:On March 26 2013 12:45 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like the case on Dandel Ion. He seems to troll regardless of alignment so there's nothing in there that points to him being scum this game as opposed to just anti-town.
@ISH Why didn't you bother to look up a town game of Dandel Ion? u scum bro? No..... I know what you dislike. I didn't say anything about what I think of Dandel Ion or ISH in that post. But I wasn't intending to because I haven't drawn any conclusions on them from it. All i am saying is that I dislike the case and for good reason. Calling out sinani for tunneling on my meaningless hello post: null
We can find out a lot more about him when there are some concrete bits mid-day besides his interactions with sinani. Looking at it again, there's a kind of nugget in the middle there with the interaction between him and Palmar. (BTW I've never played with a D1-talkative Palmar before, this is kind of surreal.) He flat out gave Palmar a town read instead of proposing a better lynch target. Okay, that's weird. Scum points and town points, I want to see more. More red than green. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Dot points outlining why I think Grack is scum: + Show Spoiler +On March 27 2013 03:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 03:01 Acrofales wrote:On March 27 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
Grackeroni is an infinitely better lynch than either rayn or Obvious. Obvious isn't playing scared at all which was the overarching theme of his play in Hydra Mafia (even with VE for support).
Acro, I'll check what you said about Nisani when I'm home and have some time later. What makes you say OO is not timid? He has not really done anything that stands out except to not read his role PM, when he had, probably, not read his role pm, which makes that completely non-indicative of alignment. Since then he has shared 2 rather vague and meaningless association cases... and a meandering post about Grack that left me with the feeling that he didn't actually have an opinion either way. Where are the reads? Where is the scumhunting? Where is the townie activity? You just don't have a handle on how I play. Marv understands me better. This is how I do. When I talk about something, it's typically because it's either worth replying to or the person I'm talking about is a scum-read of mine or someone I'm interested in getting a better read on myself. There's no reason to talk about townies except in passing and/or when referring to cases. I thought Kei was scummy yesterday but he's looking better today and I have dropped it. I'm hedging my bets on Grack being scum - responded to Palmar's pressure by giving Palmar a town read instead of an alternate lynch proposition - no substantial positions taken outside of calling Nisani's train of thought scummy - a lot of posts but little of any intent - seems to have known better than discuss my meaningless intro post but continues to talk about it for several posts instead of simply shutting down the conversation as pointless
My vote is currently on Grackaroni.
Fine. I nominate Nisani to be shot, hanged, drawn and quartered. After that we can burn him and end it all with a good old-fashioned drowning. I suggest sensibe people get their vote on him stat.
Currently looking back into Smurf given the new insights into who he is and whether he could actually do all that crap as town, and then will look into Grackaroni. I was not convinced by the cases and didn't see anything particularly scummy about him, but his continued absense isn't doing him any favours.
Deadline is still like 20 hours away, right? So plenty of time.
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On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato? does it matter? Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so.
It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though.
You could be free.
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On March 27 2013 07:11 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato? does it matter? Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so. It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though. You could be free.
I'm not looking on advice on how to play. Are you going to tell me or not?
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Marvellosity, what do you think of Corazon?
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On March 27 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
Marvellosity, what do you think of Corazon?
I'm mid-conversation with him, why don't you wait?
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On March 27 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:11 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato? does it matter? Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so. It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though. You could be free. I'm not looking on advice on how to play. Are you going to tell me or not?
That's not a good attitude bro.
You should always look to improve.
I guess that means I won't tell you. I only mentioned it because acro said something stupid about how he needs to know who smurfdude is to get a read - a ridiculous notion.
It's not really a meaningful topic to talk about - I think it's yam, that should be enough. Anything further is clutter.
You'll either take my "read" on his person as is, and if you don't, then you wouldn't if i explained it either.
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On March 27 2013 07:20 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 07:11 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:09 marvellosity wrote:On March 27 2013 07:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 27 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Dandel, how are you so sure it's yamato? does it matter? Yes, because knowing it was yamato would help my read on him, but as it is I'm not sure in the slightest it's him. So if it is, I'd like to know how/why you think so. It'd be an awesome opportunity to free yourself from the shackles of meta though. You could be free. I'm not looking on advice on how to play. Are you going to tell me or not? That's not a good attitude bro. You should always look to improve. I guess that means I won't tell you. I only mentioned it because acro said something stupid about how he needs to know who smurfdude is to get a read - a ridiculous notion. It's not really a meaningful topic to talk about - I think it's yam, that should be enough. Anything further is clutter. You'll either take my "read" on his person as is, and if you don't, then you wouldn't if i explained it either.
There's a massive difference between "looking to improve", which anyone who knows me knows I strive for, and listening to Dandel about how I should be using meta.
If you can't understand why knowing the reasoning behind an opinion makes a difference for assessing the opinion itself, then you fail at basic logic and argumentation.
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Just tell him Dandel. I'm curious to know myself. This is a fight over semantics and should be over and done with.
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If it helps, both Hapa and DI (I think independently) think it's Yamato. Yamato also had some weird little thing in the pre-game where he dropped in specially to say he had no reason to smurf when someone mentioned Smurf might be him.
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On March 27 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote:
If it helps, both Hapa and DI (I think independently) think it's Yamato. Yamato also had some weird little thing in the pre-game where he dropped in specially to say he had no reason to smurf when someone mentioned Smurf might be him.
Yes, the pre-game guy was me, actually 
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On March 27 2013 07:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Just tell him Dandel. I'm curious to know myself. This is a fight over semantics and should be over and done with.
Come to think of it, didn't you say you knew who the smurf was?
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