Hapahauli
03-30-2013
06:19 PM ET (US)
Acro, is that role as imbalanced as it seems to me right now?
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BLFG
03-30-2013
12:04 PM ET (US)
No, i think s&b is town.
EDIT: Unless there is a counter claim of course.Edited 03-30-2013 12:04 PM
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Acrofales
03-30-2013
09:50 AM ET (US)
I presume you no longer care about snb potentially being scum? Unless there's a counterclaim?
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BLFG
03-29-2013
01:54 PM ET (US)
okay prplhz continues being terribad again when there is only little suspicion on him. S&B's claim is probably legit. I don't see a reason why would he do that as mafia.
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BLFG
03-29-2013
08:41 AM ET (US)
Guys i want to ask you something:
Assume for a second that i am town. Is there mafia motivation for S&B to defend me against OO (here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=45#885), or for prplhz (here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=35#698).
Should i be looking more onto those guys over some(one) of OO/marv/sinani?
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BLFG
03-29-2013
06:15 AM ET (US)
Hapa disagreed with my read on Palmar. I was proven wrong. That's why there is no need to talk about it.
But i would still like you to explain why those reads are associative. Nisani/sinani fell into the same "useless" category, and there were more of my town reads voting for Nisani. I understand this could be seen as associative read as D1 I really thought Hapa/Palmar are scum. But that was not a reason why i did want to see Nisani flip. I wanted to see him flip because i thought he was mafia.
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Acrofales
03-28-2013
07:58 PM ET (US)
You two have lost me completely. Is the point that Hapa might be scum because he doesn't want to talk with his scumbuddy Palmar? Why does it have to be his scumbuddy? Town-Palmar is a pretty scary guy to engage for scum.
Not that I agree with the case at all, as I don't have the feeling that Hapa has been avoiding Palmar, but I want to understand it.
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Hapahauli
03-28-2013
06:35 PM ET (US)
Wait hold on. Walk me through this. According to you you posted your question to me right after the phase changed (which means you saw his allignment in the daypost). But then you drop your questions because he's town? Huh?
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:35 PM ET (US)
Cos i was wrong about him..
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:33 PM ET (US)
I mean there is no need to talk about Palmar any more because he flipped town.
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Hapahauli
03-28-2013
06:31 PM ET (US)
Yeah but does it actually matter at all what Palmar flips? I'm still "uneasy to talk about him" amirite?
Anyway you need to post in the thread.
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:30 PM ET (US)
I posted it right after i saw the phase change. I was wrong about Palmar. That's why "whatever"..
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Hapahauli
03-28-2013
06:26 PM ET (US)
Uhhh what do you mean "whatever" - are you interested in the answer or not?
Also, that's one odd power. I think it can be used as a pseudo-cop check though, to see if there's anyone eavesdropping on us w/out posting in the circle.
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:22 PM ET (US)
Okay whatever. My power is that i can check if someone is in a mason circle. Keir and Cora are legit. That makes them town. Period.
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Hapahauli
03-28-2013
06:19 PM ET (US)
Bring it up in the thread and I"ll answer you Rayn.
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:13 PM ET (US)
I mean, uneasy to talk about Palmar.
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:13 PM ET (US)
Also Hapa, why the fuck are you so uneasy with Palmar? Go ahead and prove me wrong or at least say something about him?
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:10 PM ET (US)
"Furthermore one of the main reasons you wanted to see Nisani flip was because myself and Palmar were "acting strange" and defending Nisani. Again, that's purely associative."
And really, this was a reason WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE FOR SINANI. Not why i wanted to "see Nisani flip".
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BLFG
03-28-2013
06:09 PM ET (US)
Of course you look better as you pushed a different target than the guy who flipped town. Of course i won't trust a guy who goes "THIS GUY IS SCUM OVER THIS GUY, LYNCH HIM KTHXBYE!" after saying nothing about them before that. Why is it so weird? My Palmar read has nothing to do with Nisani, at all. Look at my last posts. Palmar and OO are scum based on their independent actions. Why are you arguing with me about this? This is so fucking clear if you have read the my posts at all.
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Hapahauli
03-28-2013
12:33 PM ET (US)
Well the read on me for example is purely associative. According to /m102 , you think I'm town because of how Nisani flipped.
Furthermore one of the main reasons you wanted to see Nisani flip was because myself and Palmar were "acting strange" and defending Nisani. Again, that's purely associative.
What I want to see from you is behavioral analysis - why do you think someone is scum/town based on their independent actions.
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BLFG
03-28-2013
12:10 PM ET (US)
I don't understand what do you mean by associative, because i don't see how my reads on OO/Palmar/marv/Oats/Acro/Cora/you/prplhz/Smurf for example have been associative. Can you point out why do you feel so?
I have no time to look at all the players so i focus on them who are talked about, or if someone i havn't been looked better into comes up, agree with players i think are town or i feel like make sense regarding them.
As for sinani. My thoughts on him are "useless".
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Hapahauli
03-28-2013
11:35 AM ET (US)
Rayn - basically all of your reads this game have been associative to some degree. It's not very compelling.
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Acrofales
03-28-2013
10:22 AM ET (US)
Well, that defense of Hapa only works if Sinani is scum, because derailing a lynch from a townie to a townie doesn't make someone town. However, I think Hapa is town for the way he has been playing.
What do you think of Sinani? He's one of the players I'm filtering and having a hard time figuring out.
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BLFG
03-28-2013
08:31 AM ET (US)
I think you are town Acro. You claiming here supposrts it and the fact i think you are making sense and being logical. I'm not sure about Hapa. I explained my pre.flip thoughts in my response in thread (when i answered to Hapa's post, here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...currentpage=69#1379). After flip i ahvn't had time to rethink my read on him fully, but he certainly looks better as Nisani flipped town.
And my voteswitch was purely a protest because i was angry for everyone other than marv as nobody is even reading what i say or when i make a case. Stupid, i know. Besides that, Grack was really really useless and spent all his effort in defending himself rather than scumhunting.
And i am pretty sure Palmar is scum, but that's a thing i'll bring up on D2 unless i somehow magically die tonight.
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Acrofales
03-27-2013
11:18 PM ET (US)
Regarding Rayn: the other thing that I noted down was the 180 on Grackaroni. In 2 hours Rayn went from yelling at Palmar to stop tunneling the townie Grackaroni to voting Grack himself. Now there was some weird stuff with Grack happening in the thread in those 2 hours, but Rayn, can you explain how your reads changed to actually seeing him as scum?
You say you were sheeping a town read, but it was still 20 hours til the lynch and there was no need to consolidate yet. You had plenty of time to push your scumreads.
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Acrofales
03-27-2013
10:55 PM ET (US)
Yeah, if only to ensure any useful information here ends up in the thread.
Also, I didn't take SnB's "scum read" of me seriously at all, but I'll let him answer.
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Hapahauli
03-27-2013
10:44 PM ET (US)
Also in the event that one more of us dies tonight, I think we should claim this circle.
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Hapahauli
03-27-2013
10:38 PM ET (US)
Oh you beat me to the punch Acro. You should read what I just posted in-thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...currentpage=66#1305And you need to respond to it Rayn.
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Acrofales
03-27-2013
10:17 PM ET (US)
Okay, I've been rereading and rethinking a bit. Hapa, I think you're probably town. Grack was town. Rayn is the great unknown in our little circle, so I'm going to use this as a cozy little place to chat about reads. Anybody potentially listening in is welcome to my reads, they'll end up in the thread at some point anyway, but for now we have a cozy place to bounce ideas around.
First off, Rayn, what do you think of me and Hapa. And why?
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some random dude
03-27-2013
06:07 PM ET (US)
I believe there is some other mason circle as i was implied so. Just not sure if i believe it's them. Gotta reread their filters and see if they actually are on the same page or not throughout the game.
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Acrofales
03-27-2013
05:48 PM ET (US)
Given we have this chat here... do we believe there is an actual mason pair?
To me it seems a bit weird, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. And my suspicions of Cora had pretty much disappeared in any case, so that's a reason to believe it at least.
This game... so hard.
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Hapahauli
03-27-2013
03:57 PM ET (US)
Oh why I didn't put that in the thread? I'm not sure. I kinda just replied to you without thinking much of it lol.
Anyway my attention cannot be diverted from my Sinani CRUSADE
VOTE SINANI!
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BLFG
03-27-2013
02:34 PM ET (US)
Just because to me that sounds really dumb.
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BLFG
03-27-2013
01:59 PM ET (US)
Is there a reason not to put this in thread: "As for the scum-kill, my speculation is that there was a timer-delay involved in shooting Grack. Shooting Grack early on Day 1, then having to wait 24 hours for the kill to proc (or something like that) makes a lot more sense. " ?
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Hapahauli
03-27-2013
01:45 PM ET (US)
Palmar made a pretty reasonable assumption IMO. Usually town-vigis will claim before shooting, or atleast post around the time they're shooting.
As for the scum-kill, my speculation is that there was a timer-delay involved in shooting Grack. Shooting Grack early on Day 1, then having to wait 24 hours for the kill to proc (or something like that) makes a lot more sense.
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BLFG
03-27-2013
01:17 PM ET (US)
At least i didn't. I can't figure out town motivation for the shot, but even less a scum motivation.
I have a problem with Palmar coming in after the shot and yelling a "100% scum shot" without thinking it properly first. Is that typical for town!Palmar?
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Acrofales
03-27-2013
01:10 PM ET (US)
Did either of you shoot Grack? I can't really imagine why. But then again, I am having problems wrapping my head around why an anonymous vig would shoot Grack in the middle of D1 in any case. I don't see a townie reason except for crazy town JOAT with a 100% scumread on Grack. Scum motivation makes no sense, and neither does a normal town motivation. Things I don't understand bug me.
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BLFG
03-27-2013
12:43 PM ET (US)
I think prplhz is town. I'll vote for Nisani unless people see why ObviousOne is mafia. Because that guy is fucking scummy.
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Hapahauli
03-27-2013
12:38 AM ET (US)
Vote for prplhz please.
Kthxbai.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
08:51 PM ET (US)
Speak of the devil. Let me read that new post.
EDIT: read. It is a rather longwinded promise of future activity... :/Edited 03-26-2013 08:54 PM
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
08:50 PM ET (US)
Haven't redone Grack yet, so take this with a grain of salt. I saw nothing particularly scummy about his posts, but he went awol, which worries me.
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BLFG
03-26-2013
08:48 PM ET (US)
are you sure grack is scum? because if you are, this qt is worth shit until he is dead and we should kill him now. Acro, thoughts on grack?
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
08:47 PM ET (US)
Palmar is acting completely reasonably. Grack is a very clear scum suspect based on his in-thread behavior. I can also see Cora being scum given his whinyness. It kinda reminds me of one of his newbie games he rolled scum in, though I haven't looked through it enough to draw a thorough comparison.
But yeah Marv is a big WTF right now.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
08:46 PM ET (US)
Palmar always hates on bads. Cora is quite clearly bad.
EDIT: he usually comes around and sees bads are bad towns or bad scums, but Cora has just spent 3 pages shitting up the thread for no reason and I was about to retract my minor town tell on him when I realized he was probably just being bad and reanalyzed. I am still not very sure on my town Cora read. Not like in duel, where he was obviously noob town.
EDIT 2: and, in fact, in Duel I think I had Cora as scum or null on D1 too, because all he did was blatantly tunnel Sylencia.Edited 03-26-2013 08:49 PM
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BLFG
03-26-2013
08:32 PM ET (US)
EBWOP: unable to see that
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BLFG
03-26-2013
08:31 PM ET (US)
Fuck, is Palmar actually scum? I mean, i really do think Cora is town and if Palmar is unable to this he kinda must be scum..
And wtf is with marv?
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
06:13 PM ET (US)
Maybe there are two mason circles and only one has an eavesdropper? I know, farfetched. In the meantime, my role PM doesn't say that you guys are confirmed town to me, so that is enough to assume that even if there's another circle, I still can't just assume you're all town.
As for discussing role PMs, isn't the rule to prevent people comparing specific wording, timestamps and such shenanigans? Discussing the contents should be okay?Edited 03-26-2013 06:15 PM
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
06:08 PM ET (US)
Wait what? Where does it say no Role PM discussion in the OP?
Also, I"m pretty sure there isn't a 2nd mason circle UNLESS the OP is lying:
3) There is a mason circle at the start of the game.. and somebody might be eavesdropping!
A mason circle.
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Kurumi
03-26-2013
05:52 PM ET (US)
role pm discussion
my pm says i am the host and you should stop even if you are joking
you should know better
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
05:02 PM ET (US)
Oh seriously? My role PM is boring =(
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:56 PM ET (US)
Another thing about when you said "should we just claim the mason circle":
My role PM implies there probably is more than one mason circle.
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
04:54 PM ET (US)
He 'kinda' claimed a role. And it's not convincing or committal enough for me to justify not-lynching him when he's been absurdly passive otherwise.
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:19 PM ET (US)
How do you explain him claiming his role here?
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:19 PM ET (US)
given that = assuming that
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:18 PM ET (US)
hmm.. fair point. given that one of us is mafia or some maf player sees this QT.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
04:14 PM ET (US)
On the other hand, what would he gain as scum by acting as if he didn't see?
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:13 PM ET (US)
I laso really think Cora is town.
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:10 PM ET (US)
He also claimed his powers here.
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BLFG
03-26-2013
04:09 PM ET (US)
I really hope Grack starts contributing. I don't want to lynch him based purely on that he saw Acro's claim here and straight out told he saw it when if scum he could have said nothing about it.
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
04:00 PM ET (US)
Well right now, the thread would gain a little more information on Grack, whom I'm pretty null on right now, since his contributions to the thread are lackluster.
As for the eavesdropper being listen-only... that's interesting. Though the only way we'll determine that is if everyone here starts to look obv-town. I get that from Acro, and a little bit from reyton, but not Grack atm.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
03:55 PM ET (US)
I see no gain from claiming it. While I don't really see the point in keeping it a secret either, if there is no gain from claiming, why do it?
One thing: the OP says
3) There is a mason circle at the start of the game.. and somebody might be eavesdropping!
Can eavesdroppers participate? Or just listen?Edited 03-26-2013 03:56 PM
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
03:43 PM ET (US)
Honestly, do you guys just want to claim the mason circle? It's objectively pointless to keep it secret if we aren't certain that everyone is town in here. Plus it's not like scum is going to prioritize shooting us because of our mason contributions - they'll shoot the towniest looking persons based on thread behavior.
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BLFG
03-26-2013
03:26 PM ET (US)
I thought the best way to hande this whole QT stuff was not to use it at all in the first place (look what happened to Grack for example). I wanted to make my point clear and get you guys to answer to it without you knowing who i am. I agree with your reasoning (that helps us to get a better read on each other).
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
03:13 PM ET (US)
Wait reyton... what reason did you have to hide your identity? I'd understand if it was marv or a big-name vet or something, but what on earth would you be protecting yourself against?
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
03:09 PM ET (US)
That whole pre-game banter thing was a joke, but apparently the Smurf took it more seriously than I thought.
It's probably Yamato. Though he said he's trying to change his meta around a lot FWIW.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
02:57 PM ET (US)
Yo Hapa, is Smurf Promethelax? Or Yamato?
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
08:20 AM ET (US)
Lol. And I didn't even discuss any of my thoughts here before posting, yet Grack posted them before me anyway. Nice. Makes me confident I am on the right track by giving you a town read, because your defense was completely in line with what I expected from a townie.
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Grackaroni
03-26-2013
08:04 AM ET (US)
lol yeah. I need to post in the thread more and less in here.
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some random dude
03-26-2013
07:03 AM ET (US)
Okay guys. I'm pretty sure you all are town as well. I can't see people posting in the QT this early if they were mafia. Hell, Acro even claimed and Grack did say he saw the claim after. That's pretty convincing to me. Hapa is making sense.
I'm raynpelikoneet. I'm posting under account BLFG after this (so that i don't have to sign out from quicktopic every time i post here).
This is the problem with the QT. See how Palmar jumped on Grack because he hasn't contributed shit. He's not wrong but Grack actually has contributed. HERE! Now regardless of Palmar's alignment he can stick with his vote and it only makes him look better (as he seems to be right in thread). So i would really suggest please if you contribute here make sure you do that in thread as well.
Going to write a case on OO now.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
01:36 AM ET (US)
Well, his only contribution so far has been proof he is willing to throw his vote somewhere without even caring to read that person's filter. That person happens to be me, but that doesn't make it OMGUS. He lied about my filter to make his "case" sound somewhat decent, yet contradicts himself in the very post.
Am I very sure that he's scum? No. It's a D1 case based on a single post (sorry, 4 posts, 2 fluff and 1 sheeping other people's opinions). But he is the scummiest player in the thread so far, so my vote is in the right place.
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
01:29 AM ET (US)
Meh. You kinda flew off the OMGUS handle there, so I was wondering if you thought he was OBV SCUM or just wanted him to post more.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
01:27 AM ET (US)
There's a difference?
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
01:13 AM ET (US)
Please tell me this Nisani vote is just pressure and not serious.
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
01:03 AM ET (US)
Once again - tunneling marv can also lead to good things (see Rockband Mini).
Secondly, there's a difference between railing on him and being suspicious of him. Personality was a shitfest because people didn't understand when to stop tunneling and put their egos infront of things. I'm aggressive, sure, but I'm pretty good at reading marv and I know when to stop.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
12:59 AM ET (US)
Lol. Dandel didn't really have a filter in MTG 2. It was all a big mix of DI and me. And we both tunneled Marv into oblivion from about halfway through D2 til endgame.
Anyway, the story is that if you call Marv scum he starts bringing up retarded reasons why he's town, which causes whoever called him scum to be more convinced he's scum, which unleashes all unholy hell on the thread. See MTG 2 (you read the right filter) or Personality 2 (Foolishness and Vivax's filters in particular). MTG 2 ended well because Prom/Gonzaw were obvious town and combined KP was enough to kill both Marv/SnB as well as the actual scum iGrok/Greymist. Personality 2 ended in a landslide scum victory, mainly, imho, because the thread was a shitfest of townies tunneling each other (with Marv in the middle of it).
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
12:52 AM ET (US)
I've lightly read Personality 2.
I just read Dandel's filter in MTG 2 an hour ago. That's about it.
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Acrofales
03-26-2013
12:45 AM ET (US)
Actually, Hapa. I want an answer to that. Have you read Personality 2 and/or MTG 2?
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
12:11 AM ET (US)
Nothing yet. He hasn't done anything to show me that he's obv-town, and that's slightly worrisome.
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Grackaroni
03-26-2013
12:06 AM ET (US)
What do you guys think of marv? He hasn't made any stance either and I don't like that he hasn't commented on me or Palmar. (which in my opinion has been the most info in the thread so far as opposed to the case on prplhz)
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Hapahauli
03-26-2013
12:04 AM ET (US)
Blargh InsertSmurfName here feels off as fuck.
His case is completely illogical, and it feels like he's pushing Dandel because he's a troll rather than because he thinks hie's scum.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
11:44 PM ET (US)
Who is? DI? Yeah. Pretty much. Although he usually tidies up okay if town. He's pretty easy to read if you just give him some time. He'll either do absolutely nothing of use, in which case he's scum, or he'll start giving some decent reads.
EDIT: ninja'd again!Edited 03-25-2013 11:44 PM
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
11:44 PM ET (US)
He's a troll, but there are ways to read him. Namely that he has an incredibly hard time staying genuine as scum beyond the super-early game. His scumhunting contributions between his town and scum personas are night and day.
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
11:37 PM ET (US)
he's just a troll....
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
11:35 PM ET (US)
Anyway I find it pretty likely that this is a town circle-jerk between the three of us right now.
One interesting thing about the QT mechanic (atleast for me) is that I didn't receive a list of the players participating here. I don't think scum would be this willing to show themselves so early. We'll see about our nameless stranger.
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
11:34 PM ET (US)
lol suck it acro! I've got all of the brownie points and you've got nothing! That is a pretty weak case though without any town meta attatched to it. Dandel Ion has been pretty obviously trolling so far. Let me take a chance to look at Dandel Ion as town to see if it actually has any merit at all.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
11:31 PM ET (US)
Bleh, Grack got it already. It's a fucking glaring obvious fault.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
11:30 PM ET (US)
Hapa! Hapa! Pick me! I know what's wrong with the case on DI!
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
11:30 PM ET (US)
Yep, brownie points to you!
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
11:29 PM ET (US)
@Hapa : is it that he didn't look at a town game from Dandel Ion?
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
11:27 PM ET (US)
I didn't get any read off of Acro from it. I just wanted to question him about it.
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
11:26 PM ET (US)
I'm not quite sure what you mean. But I think you mean when I said he was fixating on OO's claim. I thought he was focusing on the wrong part of it and tried to see what he thought of Sinani. It seemed easier to do that in here then in the thread and I might just be more comfortable posting in here for some reason.
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
11:23 PM ET (US)
No no not your conversation. I mean that Grack was questioning some of the logic you were using in-thread. I'm curious as to why he didn't bring that up in-thread as it seems reasonable to do so. His lurkiness there is part of the reason my vote is on him now.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
11:21 PM ET (US)
Why should I? I don't think this QT has much added value, but I see no reason to out it in the first few hours of D1 for absolutely no reason at all.
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
11:13 PM ET (US)
Oh hm Grack does look quite a bit better reading the QT. Though why didn't you bring any of this up (particularly questioning Acro) in the thread?
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
10:52 PM ET (US)
Also @ some-random-dude:
Is your anonymous posting at your own directive or some role related thing?
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
10:45 PM ET (US)
"That's irrelevant for now. What i want is Hapa to explain his scummy comment:
"Hey let's use this QT into eternity but remember scum are watching us."
That's a comically twisted way of interpreting my post.
I want people to post because we simply don't know player alignments. The more people post in here, the quicker I can find out if you're town or scum.
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
10:42 PM ET (US)
Oh fuck I forgot about this QT already lolz.
A lot better to see you posting in here Grack - gotta read through it
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
10:28 PM ET (US)
In other news, when you signed up I thought you were one of iGrok's smurfs.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
10:25 PM ET (US)
Ah, ok. The reason why scum would lie about not having read his role PM is because it is disinformation. It is an excuse to troll. Also, given that this has happened in recent games and the player doing it didn't get lynched, it's not as risky as you might think.
Suffice it to say: town has absolutely NO reason to lie about it, scum has some. Therefore if you believe he's lying, you should believe he's scum.
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
10:21 PM ET (US)
I can't find it scummy though because I see no reason for a scum player to lie about having not read his role PM. It only draws attention to himself which is the last thing a scum player would want. And BTW I like having this thread. I find it easier to have these one on one conversations in here and I think it's helping me out a bit.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
10:18 PM ET (US)
I think you misunderstand my point. I don't really care whether he believes it or not, that is up to him.
However, IF he believes that OO is lying, THEN he should conclude that OO is scum. There is no reason for a townie to lie about having read his role PM, whereas there is a scum reason.
EDIT: his not doing so is extremely bad logic... just not sure it's scum logic or plain bad townie logic.
As for the policy: maybe. But townies need to do more than just establish their innocence, they need to lynch scum. At some point the only way to maintain your innocence is to actually kill scummers. That means scumhunting, and I have absolutely no problem with a scummer helping town scumhunt. Even if it's only on D1 (and if he keeps it up, we find the other scum, the NKs stop happening and OO gets lynched. LOOOOL).Edited 03-25-2013 10:21 PM
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
10:04 PM ET (US)
Scum and Town both have the same goal day1. Establish Innocence. therefore him playing as "townie" does nothing different but disguise any possible give aways he could have made if he knew he was scum.
As for Cora that is very strange. I agree with the not indicative of alignment part but theres no reason to not believe the claim. Ultimately though I don't see it as scummy that he doesn't believe that OO didn't read his role pm.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
09:57 PM ET (US)
But that's the point. If you believe he hasn't read his role PM, you can expect him to play as a townie. Therefore policy lynching him is fucking stupid, because worst-case scenario, he is scum playing against his own wincon.
Cora is getting really weird about this. How can you believe someone is lying about not having read his role PM, yet maintain that it is not indicative of alignment?!
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
09:39 PM ET (US)
Yeah I understand what you mean. I could see a town Sinani using that reasoning as well. Hapa doesn't think that OO is scum for not reading his role pm. He is policy lynching him because it only benefits you to not read your role pm if you are scum. You can post like a townie easier without the knowledge that you are scum. It does nothing for you to not read your role pm and then find out that you are town.
If I wanted to policy lynch someone though it would be Palmar... I've tried to keep up with recent games and he doesn't even play mafia anymore he just trolls. Maybe if he got lynched a couple times he would actually play.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
09:30 PM ET (US)
I'm not fixated on OO's role PM. I think people's reaction to it is far more interesting. I also just came out of Personality 2, where a similar play happened. There I was wrong to call it a scumtell, but I had lots of time to think about it. What Hapa is saying is 100% wrong. Not sure whether he is just wrong, or whether that is scum Hapa.
Reread the Sinani exchange and you're right. I don't like his reaction at all. He is very cagey about the whole thing. Problem with Sinani is that he always looks like scum to me. I haven't yet played or read a game in which I thought he was town.
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
09:13 PM ET (US)
Acro you seem pretty fixated on OO's role pm but I think it told me more about Sinani than it did about OO.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
09:03 PM ET (US)
Nipples.
As with any unconfirmed chat channel, you can use it to scumhunt in a more restricted setting than the full thread. However, at the moment I am quite okay with just the thread. Especially as I have no clue who you are, so even if I decide you're scum here, I STILL can't match that to a player in the game.
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some random dude
03-25-2013
09:01 PM ET (US)
For the record there is already 9 unique views.
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some random dude
03-25-2013
08:59 PM ET (US)
That's my point and that's why I asked it in the first place. Even if we all are town it does not mean we are the only people who have acces to the QT. And if we are not sharing reads here what the hell should we talk about? Obviously there is some point in this QT being here in the first place but I'd rather figure the purpose of it out first so we don't fuck something up.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
08:53 PM ET (US)
You mean that very specific question directed at Hapa? Because I have no answer for you. I can think of no reason to share reads here that I don't want to share in the thread until I have overwhelming confidence that you guys are town... and additionally that there are only the 4 of us with access to this QT.
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some random dude
03-25-2013
08:44 PM ET (US)
The moment someone gives a reasonable answer to my question I'm willing to reveal my identity.
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
08:36 PM ET (US)
Palmar's such a troll.... I kind of want to fuck with him.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
08:35 PM ET (US)
I don't care. If you use this as the my little pony fanfic forum, I STILL want to know who you are.
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some random dude
03-25-2013
08:32 PM ET (US)
I am not going to talk about my reads here unless someone explains to me how is it more beneficial that only we here know what I do think about people over letting the whole town know about it.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
08:27 PM ET (US)
It's clearly not irrelevant. You are in this QT and in the game. I want to match what you are saying HERE to what you're saying ingame.
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some random dude
03-25-2013
08:19 PM ET (US)
That's irrelevant for now. What i want is Hapa to explain his scummy comment:
"Hey let's use this QT into eternity but remember scum are watching us."
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
08:18 PM ET (US)
lol I saw it. I didn't get any other powers
except my pm alluded to me being able to get a new one later if I leave this thread so I'm kind of tempted.
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
08:14 PM ET (US)
some random dude: who are you?
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some random dude
03-25-2013
08:09 PM ET (US)
Why did you decide to claim it?
EDIT: That explains it :pEdited 03-25-2013 08:11 PM
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Acrofales
03-25-2013
08:06 PM ET (US)
Haha, just saw this could be infiltrated by non-townies. Let me rephrase that:
I roleclaimed but edited it out! BOOM.Edited 03-25-2013 08:09 PM
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Grackaroni
03-25-2013
07:47 PM ET (US)
Yay I get a qt! I look forward to reading your spam Hapahauli.
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some random dude
03-25-2013
07:32 PM ET (US)
I don't necessarily think that's a good idea. If you are town why would you not want to rather talk in thread about stuff? If scum are listening and/or posting here they get to know what we think about stuff but the rest of the town does not.
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
07:00 PM ET (US)
Anyway, 'sup doods, I'm town.
As per the OP:
"3) There is a mason circle at the start of the game.. and somebody might be eavesdropping!"
As such, this unfortunately isn't a circle-jerk of confirmed townies. I'll be using this QT a ton, and I'll expect everyone else in the QT to do the same. It's reasonably likely there's a scum here, either posting or simply watching in silence.
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Hapahauli
03-25-2013
06:58 PM ET (US)
I HAVE A POWERRRRRRRRRR!!!!
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Kurumi
03-25-2013
06:02 PM ET (US)
Works.
EPT
