Newbie Mafia XXXIX

On March 22 2013 00:17 TheRavensName wrote:

This time when I tunnel your day 1 suspicious play.. you will die. Yay!

On March 22 2013 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If they are covering each other, why would JarJar point out Raven's suspicious actions?

- Raven "agrees with me" that JarJar is hostile. I have never implied i think JarJar is being hostile. Raven is basically saying

On March 22 2013 23:57 TheRavensName wrote:
My favorite part is Frorgon gets to sheep a post in and doesn't get called for it, but V gets jumped 10 minutes after he shows up.. I posted my explination for wording and reasonings behind it. Pease find something else for me to do other then respond to the same points over and over again.

On March 23 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows:
I called JarJar out because i found it odd he needed to tell everyone he isn't gonna lurk. I don't think that was a "bunch of shit". It also started the discussion. Why do you think calling out little stuff early on in the game is scummy? Because there is nothing but little stuff to start with.

I thought the hostile meant his behaviour is hostile, not that the word hostile=scum. Why do you think Raven meant it that way?

It's not sheeping if you agree with someone. I made the same observation he did and pointed it out (in addition i pointed out other stuff i found out scummy in Raven's post).

Based on what JarJar has said i'm leaning town on him. He's being open and actually does shit that makes sense.

What's your read on Raven?

On March 23 2013 00:31 TheRavensName wrote:

Sigh this is why I didn't want to make a case. If I had made it first it would have been descredited as me trying to save myself, and now I'm sheeping. Its exactly like the last game we played with accused people! YAY!

On March 23 2013 00:33 TheRavensName wrote:
PS: By Rayn's logic I'm not sheeping. I'm agreeing with you xD

On March 23 2013 00:44 TheRavensName wrote:


Actually NW and Meatless both had it happen to them, and NW only survive cause Arctic made himself look really bad when he came back after getting his blank pass.

No not really. Actually, in hindsightI used against you last game, "Your super aggressive and I dislike that and find it scummy."

Its too early to go after lurkers, as I think the first day should contain a 24 hour grace period and they have posted nothing to make themselves look bad. I already said that I think Jar is just like melast game and just kind of newbie and green, and hes shown that by running with the ball so far I'm giving him a null read.
Really my only choices so far are Ray and Frorgon.Now that I think back to it and started re-looking over last game again Frorgron he lurked for the first chunk of day 1 last game anyways so I mean.. I'm just assuming he is at like work or something and only had time for that one post eventhough it bothers me (and I sad as much.) This leaves me with Ray and hes the case I attempted to strengthen.

On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?

On March 09 2013 00:04 Arctic Daishi wrote:

Been reading up on recent happenings for about 15 minutes now.

I tend to agree with Krafla, TheRavensName and OmniEulogy in that no-lynching is a bad idea. If we don't start gathering information now, then we'll be off to a disadvantage. I think if there's a possibility of lynching someone on the other side, then we should take it. This is my first game though, so I could very well be making the wrong move. I voted for Kafla, because a few other people suspected him as well, making him suspicious.

On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?

On March 23 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who has not voted need to take a look at the cases presented so far and vote for one of them. Or present a case of their own. Otherwise we end up with a shitfest in the last hours of the phase and that's not good.

On March 22 2013 23:33 virtu wrote:


I'm a fan of posting constructively and of posting relevant content that helps with scumhunting, but I'd just like to point two things out, firstly that it's very early in the first day, and a bit of banter shouldn't be seen as dodging posting constructively. Secondly, a few of these votes are policy votes, joke votes or votes based on a previous game.

Whilst these votes DO generate discussion, it does so between the person voting and the votee. It's difficult for an outsider to post directly on these votes until a response has been made by the person being voted for, and some discussion has been generated.

Which is, for example, why my opening post contained a hello and a comment about flavour. However this is no excuse to lurk for half of the day, discussion should be generated ASAP.



Another thing this post does that I don't like is semi-imply that it's OK to...don't know how to put it but it's OK to post less, semi-lurk or be unsure of contributing just because it's day 1 and historically tough to weed mafia out. This is infact the opposite, if anything day1 should be as discussion-filled as possible BECAUSE it's harder to find mafia d1, more effort, posts and discussion are needed.

As town, you should NEVER be afraid to post. Speak your mind, as long as you keep your thoughts constructive and
concise so you aren't misconstrued as trying to cause chaos in the thread you'll be fine.

Sidenote: I know the two halves of this post kind of contradict each other - but both are valid points so i'm going to post them together anyway.

On March 23 2013 00:48 virtu wrote:
So far the only person that's really caught my attention is ray, for how aggressive he's being, the speed of which he's exchanged his focus and vote. These are all points that have been brought up by others, but it's the only truly suspicious thing happening atm.

@ray what do you hope to achieve by switching focus at the drop of a pin with your agressiveness? two or three more posts like that and you're going after half the thread. Do you think this is an effective way to find mafia? why?

On March 23 2013 01:40 virtu wrote:

It is too early to go after lurkers but not too early to notice they aren't really posting, which they should start doing asap. Outside opinions on the back and forth between you and raven, and rainbow's colourful (pun intended) contributions would be nice.

On March 23 2013 02:50 virtu wrote:
If you take the GF thing seriously, you're stupid. I'm clearly responding to your utterly ridiculous attempt at calling me scum with an equally ridiculous response. Simple as that.

Also, your comparison is terrible, I'm ADMITTING i'm not adding anything to the thread in my own post because I know I'm not, and I have nothing to add at that moment in time. Still, I post it because it's better to post whether I agree/disagree with things others have said than to not post at all, even if it is one way scum hide amongst townies.

In AD's post he accidentally adds in the fact that he's sheeping others, in a post trying to look like he's adding to the thread. they're completely different posts.

On March 23 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows:
Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle?

On March 24 2013 05:29 Fishgle wrote:
Rayn, can you clarify what you mean by "raven [could be wrong] for the wrong reasons"? To me, it seems like all he's done is defend himself, and that to me isn't scummy.

yea, I haven't been following my own advice. Woops.

as for virtu, I really don't think there's any reason to vote for him. He has some vapid posts and then some angry defensive ones. Again, defending yourself doesn't make you guilty.

1.) Rainbow is tunneling too hard on virtu, and basically refuses to look at other options. I find that really odd. Virtu made 1 defensive post, in which he got clearly angry. And somehow it's gotten 2 votes on virtu, by himself and Frogron, who I think is also suspicious.2.)Furthermore, he has strange bouts of language. "what does though thinkest of me?" ""Ahh! Yes! This fine TLer right here, he is advocating pro-town things!" "IF THIS IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON PLAYING TOWN, PLEASE LEAVE SIR" etc. Either he's normally that theatric, or it bubbles up whenever he bullshits. I think it's the latter.

3.)But the most suspicious to me is still rayn. He's been such a flurry of fingers that no one is looking at him (apart from Raven, I guess). Every time he has gotten called out, he carefully points a finger in a different direction. So, I still have my eye on you, rayn.

But anyway. ##Vote:Rainbows

On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote:
I think of things, what do you think on these things too?

Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town.

idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar

On March 26 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
@ Rainbows:

What's biased about my case on Raven?

@ nobodywonder:
What do you think about the case on virtu? What do you think about JarJar's analysis on the night hit and his vote on you? Where do you think he is wrong and why?

On March 26 2013 22:49 TheRavensName wrote:

I wold like to add to my case that you saying my play from previous game was so ratically different when no one else from that game is and trying to force the idea that I am scummy because of it, when last game I was viewed as scum, for being different then how I was in the pre game,quite some time until the actual scums were figured out. In actuality, this is exactly how I played during the end of that game. Other people would have commented by now, such as rainbows or krafia, if it was so different. If you think my play is so scummy just vote on me, don't afk through another lynch and don't hide behind this friendly advice giver guise.

On March 27 2013 00:01 Krafla wrote:


You're right. My vote is useless at the moment, especially now that JarJar has come in and thrown his vote down on virtu, splitting the votes perfectly evenly, looks like we're heading to another D1 situation and that the mafia has us over a barrel.

Right then, I'm going to switch my vote

##Vote: TheRavensName

I've looked at ray's arguments against TRN and I've looked at Rainbow's arguments against NW and I think ray's arguments are the best.

I don't like that Rainbows is defending TRN so much, let him defend himself and I don't like the fact that Rainbows stated that virtu was his No 1 scum read on N1, yet he's voting for NW. Why are you voting for NW over Virtu Rainbows. What has changed your mind. We know how you feel on TRN, how do you choose between the other two?

On March 27 2013 00:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wait WHAT? You're not gonna vote for virtu because he hasn't responded to you? Well I guess if he's scum he should just not respond to you then huh?

More importantly, what are you waiting for him to say exactly? Are you somehow not sure if he's scum anymore?

On March 27 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Seriously. Fuck you.

Emotional, maybe yes.

THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM LYING! OR NOT DOING SHIT?

rly, are you his scumbuddy?

On March 26 2013 23:43 Rainbows wrote:
TRN is so town guys -.-

Get the fuck off of him. Kill virtu / kill NW. Everyone keeps saying Raven's play is different and he's lying or whatever, but he's coming off super townie to me right now.

On March 28 2013 22:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:

This statement only makes sense coming from someone that knows that Ray and I are both town.

On March 29 2013 03:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rainbows


While I'm still pretty sure Rainbow and Raven are the baddies, I think there's a slight chance that rainbows and ray have had me bamboozled the whole game.

So while it's possible for Rainbows to be scum and Raven to not be. I don't see any situation where Raven is scum but Rainbows isn't.

On March 28 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:



Elaborate please. How is there reasoning and how are you not calling us all mafia?

On March 23 2013 00:07 Rainbows wrote:
Sup dudes.

I'd rather kill Ray right now.








You never implied JarJar was hostile...but you were voting him and calling him out on a bunch of shit. Apparently you had a reason to believe he is scum (hostile, yes?). Then,you proceed to sheep his quote on Raven. What were you trying to accomplish here? Because it certainly doesn't seem town-motivated to be questioning a 'scum read' and then switching bases completely when he picks up something moderately scummy in someone else.

##Vote: Ray

So, bro, tell me, what IS your stance on JarJar? Did your read on him suddenly evaporate?

On March 29 2013 08:41 TheRavensName wrote:

I think I understand why NW lurked so much last game until the last day. Its hard to do anything cause I pushed a few cases that didn't seem to go anywhere, got stuck with the victim lynches, and probably shot myself in the foot with NW this game. So you start to get scared about shit what if this case is the one that gets me killed and nets the town one less when were already down a couple with no success. Ontop of that, I don't like only 9 people. Its a little too small for my taste, and alot of the games I keep browsing over, (Like the Game.) are all big ones, which are much more fun. Theres more to analyze and ways to judge peoples actions. This was HEy there are two wagons going, which do you like better?

On March 29 2013 08:45 TheRavensName wrote:

Maybe not even liek 5 or 6 but the last game we did was pretty decent too, so I would be okay with like 3 or 4.

On March 29 2013 09:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Also I know his claim is believable,but I am of the opinion no one is innocent until they flip or the game actually ends.

On March 29 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
^^His last post of day 1^^

No one can really believe that a cop goes ahead and investigates raven and not Virtu @ this point? Who investigates to confirm their town read? Like how can anyone even consider that to be true?

On March 29 2013 11:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Lol @ calling out your ridiculous roleclaim with completely valid questions = me flailing

Oh ok, then WHY DID YOU CHECK HIM ON NIGHT 2? Did him not voting day 2 somehow make you think he was less likely to be modkilled then him not voting on day 1?


A) More Lawls @ using your cop ability to confirm a town read instead of going after scum. Just hilarious.
B) How could you know what Rays motivation is based on raven? You don't think it's possible for a townie to accuse another townie?

On March 29 2013 11:27 TheRavensName wrote:
So jarjar.. Why should we believe your medic claim? You have made no attempts to prove it, you didn't claim it till after the cop claim trashed you, and you haven't given us a protection list.

On March 29 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Why would I have claimed it before?

On March 29 2013 11:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So then why did you wait almost a whole day to claim?

On March 30 2013 12:16 TheRavensName wrote:
Tbh the thing that would have given it away if I had bother to think on it... is that Ray didn't seem to care that we were voting jarjar at all.