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Ok looking at the cosmic case on VE, there are a few things that are reaching just a little bit, but overall the inconsistencies pointed out in VE's play are pretty damning. Even more damning may be the fact that VE returns to the thread and completely ignores the (clearly good) case on him without trying to defend any of the points made on these inconsistencies, rather he just adds another post weakly pushing BH again.
I'm interested to hear what BH himself thinks of this evidence, especially since he had originally regarded VE as his strognest town read at the time.
GK regarding your post on Wiggle, I originally had him as a townread but he has done dick all since yesterday aside from this:
On March 19 2013 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Because if he's town he's a free shot on a strong role paired with a potentially strong player for scum. Makes more sense to wait until day time if you had to do it. @BH/Geript: Can you two cut it out? It's a game, you don't have to get personal. which adds nothing of value at all. I think for now my scumread on VE is stronger but at least he is around to maybe provide some defense. Wiggle's posts are useless but VE's are blatant contradictions. I'm having a lot of trouble trusting either VE or BH right now but it's seeming more and more to me that one of them may have to be scum.
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On March 20 2013 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote: "Clearly good"? It's not good at all. In fact it's awful because I'm town. I'm ignoring it because it's all based on useless speculation based on mason logs I was told by the host aren't even supposed to be in the thread. So whatever.
So go ahead and make it stronger?
On March 19 2013 13:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think I'm allowed, which is part of why I revealed him. Without the ability to post the mason logs, it seems weak anyway and it's a large portion of what makes him scummy to me.
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Ok, but the point remains. Were you or were you not saying your case was weak without the mason logs? If you have the mason logs available to you now, what has changed?
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Alright there we go, so there goes one of cosmic's points against you...that wasn't so hard. The other point (I don't care about the DP nonsense) that struck home for me was you fingering GK earlier on and then assuming he was town to make the case against BH. I'll link for your convenience:
Ok. VisceraEyes' hypothesis is that Wade Fell is a scum mason trying to manipulate townies. Where in this post does VisceraEyes consider goodkarma as scum? He doesn't. Let me hash that out again. In the starting sections of my post I demonstrated that VisceraEyes considered goodkarma scum. Additionally he disparaged Wade Fell's play in defending goodkarma (another contradiction), but now he is trying to push Wade Fell as scum on the basis that he is masoning goodkarma, which is one of his town reads? How is Wade Fell masoning goodkarma supporting evidence that Wade Fell is a scum mason attempting to manipulate townies? It isn't. VisceraEyes is getting muddled up in his pile of lies. Either you think goodkarma is town and that Wade Fell's mason choice was to manipulate him, or you think goodkarma is scum and that Wade Fell fake masoned a scum partner. What VisceraEyes is doing is calling both goodkarma and Wade Fell scum, and using "town goodkarma" as evidence of Wade Fell scum. Only scum do this.
Do you agree with both BH and GK being scum partners and that the logs were faked?
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Also I feel that CC is the one who should be doing this right now. Looking forward to see what DYH adds later on.
Ohai BH! What say you about the VE case?
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On March 20 2013 09:32 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. At least someone sees what I mean. He has been doing this for the whole day 1. I just can't decide If he's just a jackass who can only interpret anything I do as scum, or if he's scum purposely doing it to try to kill me. One of my main issues with Coag/Kenpachi is that they don't post, and when they do it's literally worthless. Players who post no content at all, literally just one liners drive me insane. I really hate spam posting. From this point forward though I'm going to ignore Wade because it's entirely non constructive to engage him at all and it is a waste of my time that I could better spend doing other things in game. But here is the last thing I'm going to respond to because it's an issue of integrity. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 06:12 Wade Fell wrote:On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote:On March 19 2013 16:07 Wade Fell wrote:Sciberbia, what do YOu think about TPS? you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) The PeashooterNot sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummySetup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler + If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no.
Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview.
I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote: accusation of fake anger at spam I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked.
First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate.
Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him.
Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. I play the game to play the game. I play the game to win the game. I don't play the game to try to win by having my opponents defeated on a technicality. I play this game with integrity.Regardless of my alignment, I would never, ever try to get someone modkilled to help achieve my in game win condition. I also never tried to get you modkilled. I asked you to stop spamming multiple times and you proceeded to taunt me by posting 4 times in a row. I told you to shut the fuck up, and you post another 3 times in a row. I told the MOD that I am not playing in a game that gets destroyed by spam and to tell you to stop or I'd just quit playing. At no point did I ever ask for you to get modkilled, but you are literally the reason I stopped playing this game and had I known you were in this game under an alias I wouldn't have joined. However, since I did join I intend on playing the game out as a courtesy to the host. On that note, stop disrespecting the host. He is performing a service for us and I'm sure also has real life obligations. If you have issues take it up post game in the banlist or elsewhere. What you shouldn't do is go on a tangent multiple times in the thread about the MOD which is just incredibly rude and inconsiderate. Is that what you call it?
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Oh and kita, cute case. I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game. Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. The reason I want to be seen in a good light is because I'm town, and don't want people wasting their time trying to point out my dumb mistakes when they should be scumhunting for REAL scum.
Who are the lynch targets for today that need to pushed that I'm skimping on? Up until your recent post calling for an end to it, I was attempting to push both BH and VE to see what I could get from them, as well as zare earlier in the day. No, I haven't voted yet, but the day is young, good sir.
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On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. As I mentioned on day one, I believe GK's play has been scummy. He is a player I'm considering providing a more detailed case about. Zarepath is also a player that doesn't look town, but I'm not sure I feel as strongly as with the previous two reads. I'm having trouble deciding whether cosmicomics is pushing mafia objectives or if he is just a misguided townie that is lost somewhere in left field. I'm concerned with the apathy displayed by players like Wiggles and to a lesser extent because he just subbed in, Ace. I'd expect these players to take more of an initiative if they cared about the lynch, but it seems like they are playing reactionary currently. Would you add Coag to this list? Again, 'veteran reverence' or some shit I don't like. Surely they got to veteran status by doing something other than either lurking an entire day (Ace) or threatening people, throwing out a couple reads without support and shitposting (Coag).
I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles
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On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and kita, cute case. I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. Uh...nice that you selectively ignored the rest of my post.
On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and kita, cute case. I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game. Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. The reason I want to be seen in a good light is because I'm town, and don't want people wasting their time trying to point out my dumb mistakes when they should be scumhunting for REAL scum.
Who are the lynch targets for today that need to pushed that I'm skimping on? Up until your recent post calling for an end to it, I was attempting to push both BH and VE to see what I could get from them, as well as zare earlier in the day. No, I haven't voted yet, but the day is young, good sir. As far as pushing my own reads this game, other people seem to be getting to them first, hence the bandwagon. I'd like to think I've at least attempted to justify my jumping on said bandwagons when I vote. Oh and I'm not saying you called me a liar, but here I establish my 'truth-telling' meta. I just claimed town. Do the math.
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On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. I progressively find him scummier as the day progresses and he accomplishes dick all. I could of course go into more detail if you wish, but then you'd still just call that voting based on town sentiment. Would you rather I just pick someone at random who hasn't been suspected so far just for shits to make you feel better? I see Mr. Wiggles as scum right now and that's where my vote is. AT least until such times as he comes back and proves to the town that he's not useless, throwing mediocre suspicions all over the place and being generally non-comittal.
On March 20 2013 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 01:46 zarepath wrote:On March 20 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Hai I here guise. Zare this is more like it. I expect more of this from you during the day. Who is your top scumread of all of those you have listed? Also with regards to the BH 'scumslip,' Vivax, there is something I remember in the logs that bothered me a little, I have to go re-read and find it. I didn't originally bring it up because I was leaning town on BH but his tunneling of TPS (who is leaning town for me) and the recent evidence against him (waiting on yours too, geript) makes me want to go find it again. Mr. Wiggles. He refuses to present reads, and hasn't had a read on anyone since the GM flip. Since I originally had a townread on Wiggle (and you appear to be right) I'd really like to see something from him. I don't think anyone on D2 can be excused of lack of activity/reads now since most of thread is fairly active and scumhunting.
On March 20 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok looking at the cosmic case on VE, there are a few things that are reaching just a little bit, but overall the inconsistencies pointed out in VE's play are pretty damning. Even more damning may be the fact that VE returns to the thread and completely ignores the (clearly good) case on him without trying to defend any of the points made on these inconsistencies, rather he just adds another post weakly pushing BH again. I'm interested to hear what BH himself thinks of this evidence, especially since he had originally regarded VE as his strognest town read at the time. GK regarding your post on Wiggle, I originally had him as a townread but he has done dick all since yesterday aside from this:
On March 19 2013 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Because if he's town he's a free shot on a strong role paired with a potentially strong player for scum. Makes more sense to wait until day time if you had to do it. @BH/Geript: Can you two cut it out? It's a game, you don't have to get personal. which adds nothing of value at all. I think for now my scumread on VE is stronger but at least he is around to maybe provide some defense. Wiggle's posts are useless but VE's are blatant contradictions. I'm having a lot of trouble trusting either VE or BH right now but it's seeming more and more to me that one of them may have to be scum.
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Lol. I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in. Guess what the outcome has been EVERY SINGLE GAME.
I'm not entertaining it this time, it's way too frustrating to rail against half the town and waste half a day when we could be finding someone else. I'd rather actually help to find someone really scummy so you guys can learn something useful on my mislynch than waste my time.
Hey Wiggle, nice of you to show up at such a convenient time so you can just easily jump on a bandwagon everyone else set up for you so you can deflect. Hop aboard the mislynch train!! WOO WOOO!!!!! I can see my vote is in a good place.
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Meh. Since I'm honestly sick of every game going the same way for me, I'm going to have a little fun with this I think.
I'll leave it up to you guys: do you a) Want me to attempt to defend myself or, b) Ignore all of this shit and make everyone on this bandwagon feel really silly tomorrrow?
Sigh...I always seem to bring this upon myself...you'd think I'd learn.
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Sure I am. I honestly don't feel like putting forth the same effort it takes every single game to make people believe I'm just bad town. For my own sanity, I'd like to have fun with this for once.
If my putting forth effort in the game thus far is enough to get me lynched despite the fact that there are people who have done way less than me, then why dig myself any deeper?
As I said: you guys decide. If you REALLY want me to stand here and defend myself then I guess I will, and we'll see how effective it is. If not, I'll be back tomorrow and you guys can decide then.
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Lol I love all the people coming out of the woodwork now just to toss an easy lynch vote on me. So amusing.
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On March 20 2013 11:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 11:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I love all the people coming out of the woodwork now just to toss an easy lynch vote on me. So amusing. Dude, quit. HAHAHA Really dude, from you?
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On March 20 2013 12:02 Coagulation wrote: sciberbia I have no idea who you are I dont even remember you being in this game your very under the radar. lets pretend that theres not a giant line to take a shit on WOS and hes not thrashing around like an idiot asking for it. Who would you vote if he wasnt an option? Wow, so THIS is the Coagulation I've heard so much about.
Alright I'll get a couple of defenses going. Why the fuck not.
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On March 20 2013 12:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 20 2013 11:55 geript wrote:On March 20 2013 11:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I love all the people coming out of the woodwork now just to toss an easy lynch vote on me. So amusing. Dude, quit. HAHAHA Really dude, from you? Yah man. Don't pull a Geript. Take a few hours. Get your head straight and come back. Just quit with the soft martyring shit. Haha man I don't know whether to laugh or hate you with every fibre of my being. In any case, preparing some shit right now, no soft martyring here.
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On March 20 2013 11:13 zarepath wrote: I like that WoS case a lot.
One thing worth noting about his defensiveness is that in the other game I played with WoS, I made a fake case on him, and he was SUPER apologetic. Like, he just said "sorry guys, I must be playing this wrong" and pretty much rolled over. He was town.
This game, he has been very emotional in his defensiveness, using poor logic (I'm always a mislynched townie, therefore I will always be a mislynch). He wasn't very defensive at ALL when he was a townie threatened by mislynch.
And the Wiggle vote really cements the case; there were already a few votes on him before WoS went for it.
I don't know why I'd forgotten about that scum slip; I think all of these pseduo-slips that keep getting dismissed made me intentionally dismiss all of them? I don't know. But the fact remains there are very few town reasons for him to mis-compose his sentence in the way that he did.
##Unvote ##Vote WaveofShadow Hey Zare, that was my first mafia game ever. Fuck rolling over, I fight now. Apparently nobody believes that I don't have super strong scumreads of my own and so I'm not allowed to sheep onto a decent choice who I believe is scummy, namely Wriggle. Ok, I get that. Good evidence you're bringing to the table here though zare, maybe before you sheep along with everyone else, you know, like youre accusing me of doing you should READ the fucking cases against me.
I'll spell what's wrong with your last point out for you here:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:Finally have some spare time. I'll respond to a couple relavent issues, but first I wanted to get out a post on one of my strongest scum reads. I may have a second post about another player I'm suspicious of, depending on how much time I have. WaveofShadowThe first player I'd like to bring up is WaveofShadow. Whenever I try to look at a player, the most important thing to look at in my opinion is motive. During the first few cycles of a game, it can be quite difficult to differentiate a townie post and a mafia post. The easiest way to tell the difference is to ask yourself, what is a player trying to accomplish with these posts and what does this player care most about. When I read through the filter of Wave, I can't help but notice that he is much more willing to play through others, than to put himself out there. On numerous occasions, we can see him prodding other players with questions, but there has been very little follow through. He questions other players reads, but fails to come to significant conclusions. Wave has approached the first two cycles in a way that shows me that he has little interest in being the guy that gets a player lynched. He is more interested in selecting a bandwagon based on the arguments of other players. In his support for the day one lynch, he posts the following: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.
Vote: Darthpunk This is the first time in the game he actually mentions Darthpunk. He states in a single line that he supports VE's case, yet provides no reasoning for why he agrees. Notice how defensive he gets with his vote. In reference to his disapproval of VE's circle he states "Call that scummy if you wish." At a point where he has selected his preferred lynch candidate, he is still spending more time discussing VE's completely irrelevant circle. For the sake of keeping this post legible, I've edited out the previous part of this quote, but he spends a whole paragraph discussing the deal with yamato. Why is it that he is spending more time discussing events not relevant to his scumread, than the actual vote itself? It would be one thing if VE's case was so convincing that he had nothing to add. However, when I ask myself, does he care about this lynch, I come to the conclusion that he does not. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I can also see it isn't likely that DarthPunk is goin' down but I want a chance to re-read before changing anything. I remember thinking that zare isn't scum but I don't remember why. DarthPunk is his preferred lynch candidate, but at this point he has put absolutely no effort in pushing his selection. He is more than willing to comment on unrelated issues, but when it comes to the part of the game that should be most relevant, he shows little interest. This post shows me that his scum read is influenced by whether or not he believes the town views it as a viable lynch. When a mafia player selects a bandwagon, they often due it based on where the town's sentiment lies. Once he realizes that DarthPunk isn't going to get lynched, he backs off, simply stating that he has responded well to pressure. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote: My meta reads are very weak as I have stated earlier. Back to my point about his "defensive" phrasing of his vote, he has been acting quite defensive during the first two cycles. While a town player plays with confidence, Wave seems quite careful with his actions and is quite concerned with other's view of himself. Look how important it is to him for others to realize his meta based scum-hunting skills are sub-par. On four different occasions he makes this statement. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote: It's also nice how everyone is going to be real fucking quick to jump down my throat thanks to GM randomly naming me before he dies (multiple times) without anything to back it up. I love how just like in LX I get ignored half the game and no one responds to anything I say, and as soon as somebody randomly decides to point fingers at me suddenly the whole fucking thread is up in arms.
(Expletives deleted, don't want DrH yelling at me), I'm lone wolfing this game. In response to suspicion, he reacts quite strangely. Look how worked up he gets when GM names him as a scum read. There is essentially no pressure or votes on him at this point, yet he is responding as if he is about to be hammered. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote: But please, by all means keep it coming and tunnel me instead of hunting for real scum. It's not like this is a distraction or anything from the real point of the game. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. GL with that. And as for responding to post-flip pressure, it just pisses me off that I don't get listened to at all on certain days; people only tend to pay attention to me when they think I'm scummy which has been...let's see....NEVER. These are more examples of how important it is to him that he is seen in good light. Note how he has spent more time talking about his annoyance of getting suspected, than he does about DarthPunk earlier. His vote of GreYMisT also occurred at a time where GreYMisT was suspicious of him. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes. I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.
Finally, I come to this post which is what caused me to look at him further. Look how squirmish he is in his response. This is at a point where he accidentally mentioned to a lynch, rather than a night kill. It was a 100% typo and a non-issue. Yet here is his talking about how his has to be more careful about not making mistakes and coming up with more excuses. Wave has show that he cares more about himself, than town. He is willing to share opinions on less important issues, while skimping in pushing town objectives when it comes to the lynch. He responds in a mafia manner to suspicion and posts with an attitude that lacks the look of a town player. I think he wo uld make an excellent lynch today. It's called a brain fart. I have them a lot, just ask anyone I've played mafia with thus far. I'm not exactly expecting Mocsta/VE/BH/whoever to come running to my rescue here since if any of them is scum this is an easy chance just to let me swing, but they know very well what I'm talking about. Keir did too.
The best, the BEST part about all of this is more than half the people on this bandwagon are doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing, and that is sheeping onto a case with very little to back it up. Just +1 +1 +1. Enjoy it while it lasts, for I may be a sheep but I am not a red sheep.
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On March 20 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote:Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 04:52 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 04:51 zarepath wrote: VE, what is the name of your role? You never said, you just claimed Vet. What's the purpose of this question? Don't you believe the claim? Zare is scum rolecop imo It's a guy who says these things to a guy who asks questions to a claimed veteran. Kita don't you feel my Zarepath, GK and cosmicomics cases are good? I feel they are the strongest ones and I will likely not let go of those reads. I still have 2 wildcards currently occupied by Layabout and BH but TPS and glurio would fit in there too. I think you might be a bit biased in your assessment of your cases. I find Kita's case to be exceptionally strong. You have to keep in mind what the goals are behind a post. What WoS is doing is a typical example of inexperienced scum and Kita illustrated it very well. He wants to be non confrontational and but also doesn't do anything towards town goals. It's that subconscious fear that every mafia player has to get over when the get a red role. You know you are scum, and you feel like everything you see is going to get scrutinized, but you can't say anything and you can't form your own cases because everyone else is town so any case you make you feel would be inherently suspicious. So you end up in this weird state where you are too scared to make your own bullshit case, but need to fake some level of contribution. The end result is the analysis that Kita gave. A skilled scum player learns to take a persons words and use them out of context knowing way too many people will just believe the context you put them in and create a case on someone that most other townies could feasibly get behind. The latter example is what I felt that Wade Fell was doing. However, I haven't done a full analysis on him to view what his motivations are behind his actions. Since it would be taken as OMGUS I preferred if Ace or Kita stepped up and lent a hand since I trust their skill in analyzing the situation and seeing if they agree or disagree with me. I could very well be letting my bias get the way which is why I wanted the help of someone else. Alright let's try TPS now. First of all, fuck you. First thing I was asked after Daypost popped up was do I want to sheep BH's case against you, and I said no, because I believed you were actually maybe capable of doing something useful for the town. Guess I was wrong.
Second, inexperienced maybe. Scum, no. I haven't formed any major cases because I honestly can't find a target that hasn't been scrutinized to death already that I could bring something new to the table for. So I act with my vote when I need to. I don't exactly think I've been non-confrontational at all this game, but of course that's a matter of perception. I guess everything I did during the day can just be ignored as well as what I'm doing now, sure. I wish, I WISH you didn't look scummy as fuck because then I'd make a case against YOU, but I still believe you are town, fuck if I know why. Gut reads doing me real justice thus far.
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Let's see who's the next sheep that needs to be sheared? Wiggle? You're scum.
On March 20 2013 10:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Kita, what do you think of WoS' flip on his reads?
He goes from being super-sure that Zarepath is scum and saying I'm his strongest town read, even baiting Zare into saying I'm scum to call him scum again, to wanting to lynch him as the day started, to agreeing with him, when all he did was reiterate the same stuff he said about me last night. So his read on him goes from scum -> town, and the last thing he's saying about him, is that something he did looks scummy. As for me, he's saying I'm town, and then that I'm scum, when all that happened is I made two posts at night, where I said I wasn't going to post reads, and was inactive for a while. His reads did a complete 180s, and the flips happened in line with what's popular at the time. This is the most activity and pushing you've done since the beginning of the game. Before this it's been all
On March 20 2013 07:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
As for not having a bunch of scum reads, the state of the game is a big mess right now. I need to read more.
On March 20 2013 07:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, I'm back.
About the Peashooter case. Can someone point out the scum motivations in his posting to me? I see there's a case, but some of it seems like it's on an emotional basis, and some it's based on activity, neither of which I see as being valid for calling him scum. Reading through his posts, I don't see scum motivation though. He's not trying to misdirect us, and he's not trying that much to fit in and hide. The feeling I get from him is that he's just pretty angry, but it seem honest. For example, he got all mad at Coag, but then later he gets all mad at Kenpachi for similar reasons. So, he's consistent with it.
Deleted a bit about layabout, I like his recent posting.
I'm waiting on a couple of other people to continue posting. I'd like to see how they react to recent developments.
As for VE/BH, I don't want to lynch into them right now. I'd rather let scum or vigs sort them out for us. I find them hard to read, because they play very emotionally, and they do/say a lot of things I find scummy/disagree with from a play perspective on a regular basis. If VE was actually shot, and BH is a mason, then scum will have to go after them sooner or later. If they don't, they're either going to start to doing good work as town, or else they're going to out themselves as scum, because if I remember right, their scum play isn't the greatest compared to their town play. I think we can find better targets for today.
I'm going to do some stuff, and then read through some of the other posters who haven't really caught my attention or who have been avoiding the spotlight. I feel there's a good chance of finding scum among them.
On March 19 2013 13:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Town my soul to keep, If I shall die before I wake, I pray the Town my soul to take.
Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 19 2013 12:36 kitaman27 wrote: Considering I nearly fell asleep writing the personality endgame post I'm going to have to call it a night. Hope to see you all in the morning! NOOOO WHAT IF YOU DIIIEIEEEEEEE?!??!?!? Then he'll really be dead tiredYEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I haven't really read too deeply since night time. I've been sort of skimming over the thread and reading a bit more for certain posts/posters, but that's it right now. I won't be awake to post stuff right before the deadline, so I've weighed between posting some stuff now about reads or just waiting, and I've opted to wait. I'm waiting to see what happens with the day post, and I haven't really gotten to pay close attention to the reactions to the GreY flip. Any post I make won't be much better than a Day 1 read, so I don't think it will help much as compared to the possibility of it becoming WIFOM if I die. I noticed some people questioning my decision making regarding GreY's lynch, and my last post before the flip, so I'll go a bit into my thought process. Basically, GreY was someone I was watching throughout the day. I thought he was scummy, and Ryu's post lined up a lot with what I was thinking about him. I wanted to see how GreY would react or try to defend himself, but unfortunately he never did. He just gave up, which put us in a crappy situation, because you can either weigh it as a townie giving up, or as a mafia ploy. Based on how he acted earlier, I concluded he was more likely to be scum, and voted for him. I said it was a bad situation, because when he just martyrs himself and acts apathetically, he doesn't give us anything else to work with, and you can't just drop the case because he stopped posting. I'll watch the thread for a little less than an hour if anyone has questions about some things for me. I don't really want to post a list of reads though.
Boy oh BOY have YOU been useful. Annother one who just sits back, makes noncomittal reads and posts and waits for everyone else to do his scum work for him. And you have the AUDACITY to call ME out on this shit? Laughable. Just fucking laughable.
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