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On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote: I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting. I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming. That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus. Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more.
The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please.
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On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote: I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting. I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming. That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus. Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more. The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please. 1) you're scum 2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control 3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist. 4) you'rescum
Oh, Oh, I can spam too, let me try.
BH, stop being so helpful.
Stop.
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BH, please stop.
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No, wait the opposite.
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On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote: I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting. I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming. That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus. Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more. The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please. 1) you're scum 2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control 3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist. 4) you'rescum
Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that.
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On March 21 2013 08:26 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 08:25 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote:On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote:On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote: I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting. I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming. That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus. Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link)then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more. The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please. 1) you're scum 2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control 3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist. 4) you'rescum Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that. almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet"
Its almost like had more time unable to play this game than able to play it since it started.
Why can't you just have a level-headed discussion with people? Are you that full of yourself that you have to insult every newbie you interact with?
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On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote: I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.
Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system?
If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead.
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On March 21 2013 08:41 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote: I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless.
Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system? If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead. OH OK SCUM NEVER GO TO HOSPITAL GEE WHAT WAS I THINKING.
Well if we were gonna lynch people for not contributing you'd be at the top of list so I assumed that's not what you meant.
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On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon. 1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum. 2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1. I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph. 1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1. Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way....
2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?
You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2.
I talk about this a here:
On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.
It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game.
3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.
No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it.
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On March 21 2013 09:03 DoYouHas wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 21 2013 08:54 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote:On March 21 2013 07:59 TestSubject893 wrote:I want to apologize for my inactivity. Since I was last active I was shortly in the hospital and had to unexpectedly drive my sister across the state. I've got some things to say after my 30-page-read-a-thon. 1. So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum. 2. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 3. I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1. I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph. 1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1. Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way.... Show nested quote +2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day?
You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2.
I talk about this a here: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true. It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game. Show nested quote +3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3.
No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it. Ok, so I am guilty of the lazy case making in this instance (which by extension I can't get butt hurt about Coag's comment). However, I very much would like you to answer my questions and explain yourself on each of your sections much more thoroughly. Show me just how wrong I am. I can answer the questions, but I'm not sure what else you want. I feel that I already showed you were wrong, lol.
Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? I liked it. He makes some good points
Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since.
Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now.
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On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: DP...
i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject?
His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia.
imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all.
Show me where my "decision choices are scummy motivated". Hell, tell me why the timing of my vote was suspicious while you're at it. You're just throwing accusations around without any backing because my name has come up lately. I honestly don't know what you're talking about with either, so how am I supposed to show you you're wrong?
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On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1.
TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it).
His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different.
TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me
You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior.
The big problem was this though: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT
I'm not sure why DP was getting so much heat earlier, I was happy with his explanation and liked his case against VE. VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.
I've been putting some thought into BH too and he's definitely someone I'm leaning more and more scum on. He seems to be of the mentality that he's made up his mind on who is scum (apparently me included, for daring to disagree with the mighty BH) and he'll come up with reasons for it later. It made sense last game when he was a cop, but even if he is one this game he can't have checked yet. It adds up to scummy play in my eyes.
Geript and zare have not done themselves any favors either. They still look bad and worse. His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this.
I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning.
This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well.
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On March 21 2013 12:54 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1.
TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it).
His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different.
TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior. The big problem was this though: On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT
I'm not sure why DP was getting so much heat earlier, I was happy with his explanation and liked his case against VE. VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true.
I've been putting some thought into BH too and he's definitely someone I'm leaning more and more scum on. He seems to be of the mentality that he's made up his mind on who is scum (apparently me included, for daring to disagree with the mighty BH) and he'll come up with reasons for it later. It made sense last game when he was a cop, but even if he is one this game he can't have checked yet. It adds up to scummy play in my eyes.
Geript and zare have not done themselves any favors either. They still look bad and worse. His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this. I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning. This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well. The idea "I don't want to be helpful because BH is spamming" isn't a coherent defense of your play
And putting words in people's mouths is something mafia do to get town killed, but here we are, with people still thinking you're town.
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You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun.
You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias.
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On March 21 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 12:59 TestSubject893 wrote: You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun.
You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. I will just have to agree to disagree. IMHO.. you came across as innocent in Mafia LX i recall you asking me "what does sheeping mean" u barely posted, and when it did, it contained nothing.. we just assumed bad town, which was our fuck up.
Are you saying I come across as innocent in this game? Because that's not what everyone else is saying. If I wanted to survive as long as possible, I wouldn't be playing the way I am....
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On March 21 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote: DP
another way of looking at the vote is this
Town are looking to vote scum *always*
Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes..
safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon
To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM. This is simply not true. Tons of people saw his posts as scummy, including myself. The fact that your entire push for me is based on this shows that the whole thing is flawed.
Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd. kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll This is WoS martyr follow up vote Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out. ##Vote GreYMisT Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation. I dont see a problem with this vote. Contrast with TestSubject Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe... Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidenceShow nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote: So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised. As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out.. and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play.
You think this is me playing safe? Did you see last game? You're pressuring me more in this post than everyone last game did combined, and I did it all while avoiding getting killed at night too. This is not my "safe" game play.
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On March 21 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 13:23 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote: DP
another way of looking at the vote is this
Town are looking to vote scum *always*
Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes..
safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon
To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM. This is simply not true. Tons of people saw his posts as scummy, including myself. The fact that your entire push for me is based on this shows that the whole thing is flawed. Disagree.. Your Day1 filter has more posts relating to gk than GM. you show no interest in the GM push till after the martyr. I dont see how can you say what i said is not true. GM flipped town/blue. And my opinion was, GM was pretty fuckn town until the martyr episode.. the combination of that + lurking, to me would give me consideration to vote him given the candidates on the table. So get off your high horse.. you saw an easy opportunity to have ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and took it. Show nested quote +Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd. kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll This is WoS martyr follow up vote On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out. ##Vote GreYMisT Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation. I dont see a problem with this vote. Contrast with TestSubject On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe... Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidenceOn March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote: So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised. As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out.. and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play. You think this is me playing safe? Did you see last game? You're pressuring me more in this post than everyone last game did combined, and I did it all while avoiding getting killed at night too. This is not my "safe" game play. [By safe. i mean ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY
Guess what? "ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY" isn't very safe now is it? Here we are fighting about it. Does my play last game not show you that I understand what will get scrutiny and what won't? You're seeing what you want to see. Its clear there's no talking you off this.
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On March 21 2013 13:35 sciberbia wrote: hey testsubject, where do you stand on this lynch? iirc you voted VE because you think he might be third-party and that we have no choice but to lynch him. Is that still true?
Yeah, I still feel that way. Part of my stance is that there is a non-zero possibility that he is mafia too.
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EBWOP: Mostly, I just don't see many ways he's still town. He's either lying to us and was town, now 3rd party, or is lying to us and is/was scum.
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On March 21 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 13:38 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 13:23 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 21 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote: DP
another way of looking at the vote is this
Town are looking to vote scum *always*
Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes..
safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon
To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM. This is simply not true. Tons of people saw his posts as scummy, including myself. The fact that your entire push for me is based on this shows that the whole thing is flawed. Disagree.. Your Day1 filter has more posts relating to gk than GM. you show no interest in the GM push till after the martyr. I dont see how can you say what i said is not true. GM flipped town/blue. And my opinion was, GM was pretty fuckn town until the martyr episode.. the combination of that + lurking, to me would give me consideration to vote him given the candidates on the table. So get off your high horse.. you saw an easy opportunity to have ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and took it. Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd. kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll This is WoS martyr follow up vote On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out. ##Vote GreYMisT Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation. I dont see a problem with this vote. Contrast with TestSubject On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: Alright, so I finally got caught up. Here's what I've got to say.
GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him.
##Vote: GreYMisT This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe... Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidenceOn March 18 2013 12:07 Kenpachi wrote: So i guess the goodkarma wagon is no more. In that case, i will vote for Greymist instead of zarepeth. Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised. As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out.. and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play. You think this is me playing safe? Did you see last game? You're pressuring me more in this post than everyone last game did combined, and I did it all while avoiding getting killed at night too. This is not my "safe" game play. [By safe. i mean ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY Guess what? "ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY" isn't very safe now is it? Here we are fighting about it. Does my play last game not show you that I understand what will get scrutiny and what won't? You're seeing what you want to see. Its clear there's no talking you off this. How is that a retort? If anything your last game, completely shows you are aware... i actually give you credit for the 3rd party win.. for 2 reasons (1) you managed to blend in perfectly (2) you doused ppl that were not likely to be lynched OR shot.. this shows hyper-awareness for thread sentiment. Yes, i was going to kill you, which is prob why you ignited.. but whatevs.. u earnt the win. and i cant believe you are trying to argue zero accountability is not safe. its fuckn safe.. cos you trying to blend in again.. im calling you out cos im the only one who has noticed. no1 has actually refuted my points. Including you.
What I'm saying is that if I was trying to blend in I wouldn't skimp on explaining myself because I'd be likely to regret it later. Last game I made sure my reasoning was always sound from attacks like this, hence why I survived til the end. This game I don't care about surviving til the end, only about killing scum, so frankly I don't feel the need to explain myself as much because I don't mind people relooking at my posts because I can always explain them later. Apparently my explanation didn't count as "actually refuting" but at this point I'm not sure anything will.
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On March 21 2013 13:55 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 13:49 geript wrote: 3. Test for martyring is scummy, emotionally detached and safe votes. Martyring should be a policy lynch from here forth but can be done from either side. Dude.. if im being tunneled. i will take a breather and come back Your the psychology guy.. do you really think the things i poitned out on test, could come from either alignment? Test didnt martyr either, so i get the impression perhaps you have not read my case in detail.
Are you serious? Your case is based on one paragraph I wrote on day 1. Of course scum could make it.
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