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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 20:25 GMT
#1801
On March 21 2013 05:23 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just didn't think about the logs man. They weren't even factoring in because I specifically asked if they were allowed. I assumed that if that were changed I would have specifically heard something to that regard. It was apparently in the thread and I missed it though.

I posted about BH masoning me because I thought he was scum based on my conversation with him during the cycle and based on my observation of his play D1/N1. If he's scum, I wanted the fact that he's masoning people and specifically requesting that this fact be kept secret IN the thread. Becuase that's active manipulation of town. Active.


I find it hard to believe that you has such a lapse in regards to the logs. Whenever I (or anyone really) has a top scum read that they are actively pursuing, which you were after revealing the BH had masoned you, I pay pretty close attention to that person's posts until they either alleviate my suspicions, or are dead. So I don't buy that you didn't notice the logs. And once you notice them, that would immediately create conflict which would quickly lead you to the host announcement that logs are allowed. This is a townie train of thought for someone pursuing their top scum read, it is not the train of thought you displayed.

As for your second part, how would any of what you were trying to reveal to the town changed if you had waited until day2 to post about it?


DYH has a very solid point here. when someone has a scumread, they push him. And when that scumread starts dumping mason logs, including one you haven't read like GK, and there's a huge kerfuffle in the thread about like who made the QTs, what's in there, etc, you can't just be like "yeah my top scumread has supported his claim but I'm not really paying attention to him" because that makes no sense from the perspective of a town player pushing a scumread
Politics is the Mind-Killer
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 20:28 GMT
#1802
Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 20:29 GMT
#1803
Nobody talked about what was in the logs WF, nobody cared because as I said it was the same drivel you were posting in the thread. You didn't add anything so there was nothing to talk about.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 20:30 GMT
#1804
wat

you're literally not reading the thread
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 20 2013 20:30 GMT
#1805
you can't just say "nobody talked about the logs" and make it true
Politics is the Mind-Killer
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#1806
Whatever I'm ignoring everything everyone says, making supercases and will post them up before the lynch. Hopefully they'll be of use to town when I flip. But please consider lynching into Wiggles, Ryu, Wade Fell, Darth Punk in my absence.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
RyuSuzaku
Profile Joined March 2013
Japan139 Posts
March 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#1807
On March 21 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
But I'm town Ryu. I'm not 3P. That's where you're whole post breaks down. You say you want to find scum, but you're voting to lynch a townie. So....?


you're lying somewhere.

Everyone in mafia will tell others that they are town. Your assertion that you are town makes no difference at all to my argument.
Dragon Bird
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:33 GMT
#1808
On March 21 2013 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important.


Again, this answer doesn't quite add up. If you have the mentality that you might die, then you write up the information and the corresponding case and you post it right before the deadline. If you already think you might die, you don't suddenly push a case that might make you an even more likely target.
Guts? Determination? $5?
RyuSuzaku
Profile Joined March 2013
Japan139 Posts
March 20 2013 20:37 GMT
#1809
On March 21 2013 05:33 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important.


Again, this answer doesn't quite add up. If you have the mentality that you might die, then you write up the information and the corresponding case and you post it right before the deadline. If you already think you might die, you don't suddenly push a case that might make you an even more likely target.


this too.

Also, if I were a vet I personally wouldn't give a fuck about dying, given that doublestacks are pretty rare. The "I wasn't sure if I'd live" argument is pretty weak from a town-VE perspective.
Dragon Bird
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:38 GMT
#1810
Unless VE was trying to draw the hit. But that would have been somewhere in his answer I would think if that was his intention.
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:44 GMT
#1811
Here is where I need to work things out. I think that the 3rd party shenanigans actually point to VE being town IF we make the assumption that he was town going into it. I just don't believe that a slip so smack-in-face obvious is possible if VE actually accepted to go into a third party.

Which brings me to something that has been bothering me about this the whole time. Supposedly the Mirror has a recruitment mechanic that requires the person being recruited to accept or deny The Mirror's advances. In other words, The Mirror requires a player to play against their win condition. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:45 GMT
#1812
EBWOP: (sorry for the triple)

That, more than anything else, makes me suspicious about the plausibility of The Mirror in the first place.
Guts? Determination? $5?
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 20 2013 20:47 GMT
#1813
Ok i believe WoS's claim and unvote him.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 20:53 GMT
#1814
Actually if you care to hear my hypothesis I have one on this matter.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 20:56 GMT
#1815
The recruitment mechanics I mean. I think I might know what's up with them.

The terms of the masoning were that I could choose to cease masoning with The Mirror whenever I wish by PMing the host. This leads me to believe that he could mason people during the day, and then if they were still masoned with him during the night, actually recruit them into his fold.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:56 GMT
#1816
I would very much like to hear it.
Guts? Determination? $5?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 20:58 GMT
#1817
In this way it doesn't matter whether we accept or deny him. And by promising his target power and all that nonsense he gets to at least keep them on the line if they're eager or intrigued.

That's how I perceive the whole thing to work from my end, being on the receiving end of it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:58 GMT
#1818
So the whole trying to get you to make a choice against your win condition is just the Mirror playing poorly?
Guts? Determination? $5?
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
March 20 2013 20:59 GMT
#1819
I don't know, this is supposed to be a pretty normal game, and that would be a pretty wacky mechanic.
Guts? Determination? $5?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 20 2013 21:01 GMT
#1820
^Fact.^
Another possibility is that it's the Mafia Nightmare variation and that they could kill me after a whole cycle of communication. That seems a little more "normal" and balanced.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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