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On March 21 2013 05:23 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just didn't think about the logs man. They weren't even factoring in because I specifically asked if they were allowed. I assumed that if that were changed I would have specifically heard something to that regard. It was apparently in the thread and I missed it though.
I posted about BH masoning me because I thought he was scum based on my conversation with him during the cycle and based on my observation of his play D1/N1. If he's scum, I wanted the fact that he's masoning people and specifically requesting that this fact be kept secret IN the thread. Becuase that's active manipulation of town. Active. I find it hard to believe that you has such a lapse in regards to the logs. Whenever I (or anyone really) has a top scum read that they are actively pursuing, which you were after revealing the BH had masoned you, I pay pretty close attention to that person's posts until they either alleviate my suspicions, or are dead. So I don't buy that you didn't notice the logs. And once you notice them, that would immediately create conflict which would quickly lead you to the host announcement that logs are allowed. This is a townie train of thought for someone pursuing their top scum read, it is not the train of thought you displayed. As for your second part, how would any of what you were trying to reveal to the town changed if you had waited until day2 to post about it?
DYH has a very solid point here. when someone has a scumread, they push him. And when that scumread starts dumping mason logs, including one you haven't read like GK, and there's a huge kerfuffle in the thread about like who made the QTs, what's in there, etc, you can't just be like "yeah my top scumread has supported his claim but I'm not really paying attention to him" because that makes no sense from the perspective of a town player pushing a scumread
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Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important.
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Nobody talked about what was in the logs WF, nobody cared because as I said it was the same drivel you were posting in the thread. You didn't add anything so there was nothing to talk about.
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wat
you're literally not reading the thread
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you can't just say "nobody talked about the logs" and make it true
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Whatever I'm ignoring everything everyone says, making supercases and will post them up before the lynch. Hopefully they'll be of use to town when I flip. But please consider lynching into Wiggles, Ryu, Wade Fell, Darth Punk in my absence.
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On March 21 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
But I'm town Ryu. I'm not 3P. That's where you're whole post breaks down. You say you want to find scum, but you're voting to lynch a townie. So....?
you're lying somewhere.
Everyone in mafia will tell others that they are town. Your assertion that you are town makes no difference at all to my argument.
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On March 21 2013 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important.
Again, this answer doesn't quite add up. If you have the mentality that you might die, then you write up the information and the corresponding case and you post it right before the deadline. If you already think you might die, you don't suddenly push a case that might make you an even more likely target.
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On March 21 2013 05:33 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important. Again, this answer doesn't quite add up. If you have the mentality that you might die, then you write up the information and the corresponding case and you post it right before the deadline. If you already think you might die, you don't suddenly push a case that might make you an even more likely target.
this too.
Also, if I were a vet I personally wouldn't give a fuck about dying, given that doublestacks are pretty rare. The "I wasn't sure if I'd live" argument is pretty weak from a town-VE perspective.
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Unless VE was trying to draw the hit. But that would have been somewhere in his answer I would think if that was his intention.
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Here is where I need to work things out. I think that the 3rd party shenanigans actually point to VE being town IF we make the assumption that he was town going into it. I just don't believe that a slip so smack-in-face obvious is possible if VE actually accepted to go into a third party.
Which brings me to something that has been bothering me about this the whole time. Supposedly the Mirror has a recruitment mechanic that requires the person being recruited to accept or deny The Mirror's advances. In other words, The Mirror requires a player to play against their win condition. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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EBWOP: (sorry for the triple)
That, more than anything else, makes me suspicious about the plausibility of The Mirror in the first place.
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Ok i believe WoS's claim and unvote him.
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Actually if you care to hear my hypothesis I have one on this matter.
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The recruitment mechanics I mean. I think I might know what's up with them.
The terms of the masoning were that I could choose to cease masoning with The Mirror whenever I wish by PMing the host. This leads me to believe that he could mason people during the day, and then if they were still masoned with him during the night, actually recruit them into his fold.
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I would very much like to hear it.
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In this way it doesn't matter whether we accept or deny him. And by promising his target power and all that nonsense he gets to at least keep them on the line if they're eager or intrigued.
That's how I perceive the whole thing to work from my end, being on the receiving end of it.
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So the whole trying to get you to make a choice against your win condition is just the Mirror playing poorly?
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I don't know, this is supposed to be a pretty normal game, and that would be a pretty wacky mechanic.
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^Fact.^
Another possibility is that it's the Mafia Nightmare variation and that they could kill me after a whole cycle of communication. That seems a little more "normal" and balanced.
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EPT
