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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 20 2013 09:10 GMT
#1481
On March 20 2013 18:05 Mocsta wrote:
It wasn`t malicious sciberbia.

But yes. I shared responsibility for the witch hunt.

For the record I have thumbed through your filter once and I don't have any strong feelings on your alignment. It wasn't meant to be a jab at you. + Show Spoiler +
Maybe should have left that point about the "witch-hunt" out entirely since I think the other ones are stronger anyway.


Anyway, I'm officially done working for the night. Will be in the thread a little longer but I expect to doze off pretty soon. I'm pretty happy with the state of D2 and am really optimistic about a scum lynch.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 09:19 GMT
#1482
Now that I read through BH log with go in clarity

I have no idea how he gets a town read.

Gk never provides his own thoughts, instead just agrees with BH.

BH also in his first posts says he wants to avoid a gk mislynch. So if gk is scum, he has no reason to feel pressured or scared from the start of the qt.


BH here is some wifom
Maybe u weren't killed because scum happy u have a town read on gk

@BH
Can u walk me through specifically what in that mason log gives u a town read. To me gk never gives a hard stance on anything and isn't helping u scum hunt.

Reminds me of my PMs with promethelax in personality2 actually.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 09:21 GMT
#1483
Ohh don't worry sci I didn't take it as a jab

I was just putting it out there and being accountable. I pushed that agenda today.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 09:25 GMT
#1484
Does anyone care that ace has basically lurked all game???
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2013 09:28 GMT
#1485
On March 20 2013 18:25 Mocsta wrote:
Does anyone care that ace has basically lurked all game???


Not yet. He hasn't been around that long. we can afford to give him a bit of a chance IMO.

Anyway I agree with all the WoS stuff. so he has my vote again.

##vote: WoS
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 09:39 GMT
#1486
Reading the ve interchange

Its interesting BH never asks ve his opinion of me whilst I am hammering him

After all my hammering contributed to be deciding to out bh.

Its odd because ve just flips a switch and goes from nonchalant to.. Suspicious with seemingly nothing in between.

Odd from both of them

I would have thought it would be an opportune moment for ve to discern BH alignment..
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
March 20 2013 10:08 GMT
#1487
@Mocsta
The line in BH's first post about not wanting to let GK get mislynched stuck out to me as well. It doesn't seem like there was ever any doubt in BH's mind that GK is town. I think this is a bit suspicious because I feel like I would be second-guessing myself if I were town in his position, what with the rest of the thread demanding GK's blood and all.

I feel like the relationship between BH and GK is more like that of teacher-apprentice than peer-peer so mostly passive agreement with a little insight here or there is about what I'd expect regardless of GK's alignment. I don't feel like the logs say a whole lot about GK's alignment.

As to Ace, I'd obviously prefer that he post more, but we can't do anything about it. If at some point we run out of scummy candidates and Ace is still alive and hasn't done shit then we should lynch him at that time.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 20 2013 12:57 GMT
#1488
Ok I've seen a nice bunch of people on the WoS wagon and read a little through sciberbia's case, so I laid down my preconception that he's town for a moment and went through his filter again (sorry kita I admit I didn't feel really motivated to do it after yours lol)

I also checked his filter from LX where he was town, and after reading a little I realized a few differences, I also noticed he mentions many points about people doing "null" things, which isn't really something you try to pay attention to as town. In LX he talked much more about lynch candidates, as rule of thumb.
Won't make an extended case though since there are already enough out, will post something that would be funny if he flips red though:

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2013 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 15:37 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: And, he stands up to VE's SAST. How many newbie scum go out of their way to stand up to vets?

I did the same thing..... (I do!)
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?

And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:

BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds.
Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX.
I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.

Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused.



Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 13:12 GMT
#1489
Vivax
Thanks for joining the Wagon of Justice

To more pressing matters

a couple posts above, I wrote some light (i.e was on Tablet) commentary about the mason logs (that I reformatted for easy reading on p74).

Care to share some of your insight? After, you had the right reads as town in Personality 2.. lets hear your feedback on those logs pl0x
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 20 2013 13:13 GMT
#1490
On March 20 2013 14:30 Mocsta wrote:
DP,

This can be put to rest pretty easily. I apologise for jumping the gun and making thread comments without reading even 1/4 of Day 1. Thats pure laziness on my behalf, and there is no excuse for it.


Mocsta, please tell me you've read the entire thread by now. This post was from a bit ago, and you've since spent a bunch of time reformatting logs, so surely you've read the thread by now? I just think you should stop posting so much if you haven't even read the entire thread. You've made some good points but you're also casting suspicion around a lot of places, which makes me uncomfortable if you haven't done due diligence yet.

The 180 on Wiggles is definitely suspicious, and I think that WoS has to answer for that. I'll admit I was going to unvote when I saw his impassioned defenses to nearly every single attacker, but sciberbia's point about Wiggles being one of his top town reads makes the move look especially scummy -- not only was it the leading wagon at the time, but it's someone he had a town read on, and he did it only after people asked him to go after scum.

I feel good keeping my vote where it is for now, and think we should lynch WoS today unless he can persuade otherwise. But I wanted to draw attention to an interesting post in the meantime:

On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.

I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.

I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.


I don't like the nannying coming from a player who's been mostly inactive, showing up only recently to create a stance where he looks like a rational pro-town player and the guy everyone's already suspecting looks like an irrational scum player. This post comes after at least four different people have gone after WoS, and WoS has made responsive posts to each of them.

I just think that there are a lot more useful things that cosmic could have chimed in on than the fact that WoS is swearing -- I mean, what does he think about the actual content of his defenses?

The other thing about cosmicomics is that his most substantive post is a huge case against VE, who had just claimed Vet. Only once does he address that the person he's trying to lynch has claimed vet, and that's at the very end when he merely quotes Ace's hypothetical question as to why a townie would claim vet. There is no argumentative substance; the majority of it is actually just a defense of Wade Fell (BH). I find it odd that he completely dismisses the most obvious and powerful town tell for VE within his case, except for quoting a single line from the most veteran player in the game and using that as the argument.

"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 20 2013 13:30 GMT
#1491
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 20 2013 22:12 Mocsta wrote:
Vivax
Thanks for joining the Wagon of Justice

To more pressing matters

a couple posts above, I wrote some light (i.e was on Tablet) commentary about the mason logs (that I reformatted for easy reading on p74).

Care to share some of your insight? After, you had the right reads as town in Personality 2.. lets hear your feedback on those logs pl0x



I think I already said something similar here as response to WoS actually.

I need to doublecheck the WoS wagon still, didn't even read all the new posts that popped up since I went to bed.

The strongest point in his favour is that he joined the Greymist wagon last when there was no point since he was set to be lynched anyway.
If you're scum, why join a bandwagon on someone you know is a townie about get lynched anyway?
So yeah, my decision is subject to change, I do notice differences in his play though. But then again they might be just that, in different games even when he might have the same alignment.

Still would prefer to lynch someone like cosmicomics, layabout or TPS. Cosmicomics fits into the profile of lurky scum. And TPS + layabout seem more careless to me than Coag tbh.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2013 13:31 GMT
#1492
Vivax. How do you feel about Viscera Eyes?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 20 2013 13:39 GMT
#1493
Oh man, you guys.
So much wasted time on me.
You really want me to bust out the trump card, don't you?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 13:43 GMT
#1494
On March 20 2013 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
You really want me to bust out the trump card, don't you?

Yes
Who are you nightmared to i suppose?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 20 2013 13:45 GMT
#1495
Not Nightmared.
Wanna guess again?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 20 2013 13:45 GMT
#1496
Don't think VE is scum.

WoS if you have a role don't claim it. It will make it useless for the following nights. Leave scum in the dark.

I'll jump off your wagon anyway if I can get one of GK/TPS/cosmic/layabout lynched, work on convincing people about them instead of talking about yourself.

Mocsta nightmare can only talk during the night I think, that masoned guy should know about WoS being likely scum in that case, so I don't think he's that.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
March 20 2013 13:46 GMT
#1497
Meta aside, you guys are forcing me so I give up this time.
Looking way too much into shit that isn't there and I can't go through 2 pages of posts and try to turn you off of all of it.

I was going to wait until later tonight but I guess it doesn't matter now.
Maybe one of these mafia games I'll actually learn how to play.

It's up to you guys, but I'm dead by the end of N2 anyway. If you don't kill me mafia will now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 13:47 GMT
#1498
Yes u r right Vivax, nightmare only can mason at night checked greymist role PM

WoS

Why do you think a role claim will save u?

lets say you claimed "the mirror" or watever, how are we to know it is valid? i dont follow (hence why i said nightmare...)
ThePeashooter
Profile Joined March 2013
United States100 Posts
March 20 2013 13:48 GMT
#1499
Hey, I have work and will be gone for 9 hours. When I come back I should have time to throw together and a case for vigi's/tomorrow.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 20 2013 13:49 GMT
#1500
On March 20 2013 22:48 ThePeashooter wrote:
Hey, I have work and will be gone for 9 hours. When I come back I should have time to throw together and a case for vigi's/tomorrow.

+ Show Spoiler [for vivax] +

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