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VE
I don't think VE is scum.
I think VE might be third party (either now or by tonight).
I don't know if said third party is worth our time disposing of.
Hence I don't like voting for VE.
Wiggles
I don't think Wiggles is all that likely to be scum. I've just been over his filter and there's nothing that says scum to me.
Hence I don't think Wiggles should be the lynch.
GK
I don't have any strong feelings about GK.
I think DP is town and smart so I would be willing to trust his meta-read on GK if that is the only option besides Wiggles and VE.
cosmicomics
But what do you guys think about making this a cosmicomics lynch?
I think we can all agree he is:
- reasonably likely to be scum
- lurky
- does not show any indication of ever contributing more
I would be happy to write up a case and vote cosmicomics if you guys would be receptive.
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On March 21 2013 11:43 Vivax wrote:
Wait what I posted an extensive case against GK much much earlier and "He's useless D2" suddenly convinces some people to look into him?
This makes me really really sad. I'm glad however that people are noticing what's up.
hmm I don't remember this case. Sorry lol. I think I was more interested in your zarepath and cosmicomics cases. WIll go back and look at it now.
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On March 21 2013 11:54 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 11:45 sciberbia wrote:
VE
I don't think VE is scum.
I think VE might be third party (either now or by tonight).
I don't know if said third party is worth our time disposing of.
Hence I don't like voting for VE. This line of thinking is really stupid. Assuming you are town, you will optimally lynch ANY confirmed or highly probable non-town player immediately. This is not a kingmaker scenario (in which case it would not matter who you lynched anyway). Our goal is to kill all non-town. Do not make assumptions about the setup. Not lynching VE despite thinking he is third party is simply antitown and goes against our wincondition.
Our win condition is not to remove all non-town. It is to remove all threats to the town.
On March 16 2013 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:TO CLARIFY
If you are green or blue your win condition is to remove all threats to the town, the same as it always is.
You are the one making an assumption by assuming that the mirror is a threat to the town. I see no good evidence of this. For one thing, he does not seem to have KP.
This is something that irks me about closed setups though. You can help your alignment to win by knowing what kinds of setups the host would be likely to make. I don't know anything about DrH but I see no in-thread evidence that the mirror is a threat to us.
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On March 21 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
That was hours ago. I know I read him as town but FUCK. How in the hell are we ever going to win this game if we have townies like this guy??
You read him as town?
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@WoS
I did read the thread and I know you claim to have investigated TPS. Which is why it's odd to me that you bring him up as useless and say you "read" him as town when if you are a cop then you know for a fact he is town. Anyway, you are not the lynch today so I'm dropping this.
I will read Wiggles's case and probably end up consolidating onto GK unless it is like the best case I've ever read.
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OK we really need to consolidate. I have no idea what the votecount is at, but I'd imagine there are still several votes on VE and Wiggles. For those of us who don't like those two candidates, we need a candidate to consolidate on. ace/GK/testsubject have all been thrown out there, but there are disagreements. Personally, I'm nullish on all 3. You guys have given meta reads on all 3 that I could choose to trust in, but as far as in-thread evidence, I'm nullish.
Is ANYONE in the thread right now not at least leaning scum on cosmicomics?
Look at how he goes about scum hunting D1:
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote:Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk
On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him?
First of all, he doesn't do any scuhunting when he originally enters the thread. Then, we he was ASKED about DP, he sheeped onto an IMO shitty case and voted him. Respond to question and get your vote down. Two birds with 1 stone amirite.
Then, he unvotes DP when the wagon loses steam with almost nonexistant reasoning for thinking DP isn't scum anymore:
On March 18 2013 10:21 cosmicomics wrote:
Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way.
Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad.
##Unvote: DarthPunk
I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide.
He was continually saying how DP was scum and lying about some stupid shit at the start of the game. But now suddenly DP is stubborn and townie. And VE's case wasn't even the reason CC was voting DP in the first place. VE posted his case after CC voted DP twice.
On March 20 2013 13:47 cosmicomics wrote:
WaveofShadow, could you tone down on the swearing please? It can turn people off (including townies), which will in turn fuel this bandwagon against you, and the worst kind of wagon is one where it is town pushed.
I think it would be most beneficial to everyone if you could consolidate your posting and present your defense against kita's main case. Or build a strong case of your own on somebody. Because right now it is getting more difficult to read you and you are giving scum / good intentioned townies more fuel.
I'll be looking over your meta, the case and the posts in interest in the meantime.
This post scummy as mentioned by others.
Finally, on D2, CC's big contribution was a massive case on VE. And VE has been the focus of discussion all day. But where is CC? Not here talking about.
I pose my question again:
Is anyone not at least leaning scum on CC
I think that is a very important quality in a consolidation candidate.
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hey testsubject, where do you stand on this lynch? iirc you voted VE because you think he might be third-party and that we have no choice but to lynch him. Is that still true?
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unofficial vote count i am pretty sure is correct
VE (6): geript, TS893, Ace, CC, layabout, Ryu
Ace (5): TranceStorm, GK, VE, DYH, Wiggles
Wiggles (3): Coag, zarepath, kitaman
GK (3): Vivax, DP, WoS
TS893 (2): WF, Mocsta
WoS (2): scib, TPS
Mocsta (1): glurio
vivax (1): kenpachi
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goddamn u geript
Ace (6): TranceStorm, GK, VE, DYH, Wiggles, geript
VE (5): TS893, Ace, CC, layabout, Ryu
Wiggles (3): Coag, zarepath, kitaman
GK (3): Vivax, DP, WoS
TS893 (2): WF, Mocsta
WoS (2): scib, TPS
Mocsta (1): glurio
vivax (1): kenpachi
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On March 21 2013 14:45 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 14:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
DP, thoughts if it comes down to Ace or VE?
I value your opinion sir.
I think I may be forced to vote Ace if it comes down to it, my gut's telling me VE was telling the truth about his retarded 3rd party bullshit. I have to kinda sympathize 'cause I know I could fuck something like that up similarly. Let's say he was telling the truth at the time. There is still a huge possibility that he has since then been informed that he was in fact recruited. Posts like this one make me think that's the case: Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 14:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
geript: Ace is scum. The third party thing is irrelevant. Completely. The only reason I made a big deal about it was because I felt like I was being ignored. But the fact is that if I EVER had any intention of joining a third party faction, or had any inclination that I ALREADY HAD been inducted into a third party faction, I certainly wouldn't post a log that INCLUDES me accepting his offer. There's no reason for me to do that as any alignment but town.
Now, factor everything in. I was shot at last night. Ace has trouble finding scum reads. A wild anonymous mason appears. VE shits up the thread. Ace suddenly wants to lynch VE? The third party thing MEANS NOTHING. Why would Ace prioritize lynching a possible 3rd party over finding scum?
I really don't like the VE lynch. I think that VE is not scum. Also, I think lynching him on the basis that he MIGHT be part of a third party which MIGHT be against our win condition is paranoia. There are already 5-6 scum in this game with 2 KP / night. Are we really supposed to lynch all 5-6 of them AND the mirror AND whoever the mirror recruits each cycle? Seems absurd. I'm skeptical that the VE lynch is a good one EVEN ASSUMING that he is in fact somehow converted to third party. It seems like the only way to "beat" the third party is to lynch the mirror. And VE is clearly not the mirror + Show Spoiler +that would be a mindfuck though
I would vote Ace or GK over VE.
On Ace, the way I see it, he replaced into the game, did hardly anything for a full cycle, and demanded that we lynch VE for being likely third party, which is a sentiment that was and is shared by several other people. I don't think this is very damning evidence. I'm not a big fan of the Ace case.
GK has been blending in for me ever since mid-D1. I don't have any strong feelings on his alignment but overall I just feel like he is more likely to be scum than either Ace or VE.
##Unvote: WaveofShadow
##Vote: goodkarma
I will change my vote to Ace if necessary to prevent a VE lynch.
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Ace (7): TranceStorm, GK, VE, DYH, Wiggles, geript, TPS
GK (5): Vivax, DP, WoS, Mocsta, scib
VE (5): TS893, Ace, CC, layabout, Ryu
Wiggles (3): Coag, zarepath, kitaman
TS893 (1): WF
Mocsta (1): glurio
vivax (1): kenpachi
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On March 21 2013 15:26 DarthPunk wrote:How is that?
I think he was referring to nobody posting for 10 minutes. Hasn't happened in like 6 hours lol.
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On March 21 2013 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
There was 1KP N1 and I claimed a hit? What kind of evidence are you looking for?
This.
The biggest facts about VE all imply town
1. claimed vet and took hit and only 1 shot
2. outed WF when it would have made much more sense to shoot him if VE were scum
3. outed Mirror when it would make much more sense to keep quiet as scum
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EBWOP
I think there is a decent chance VE will be 'converted' by tonight however.
Also, does anyone wanna double-check my votecount?
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WaveofShadow's vote is on goodkarma, but you have it on VisceraEyes in the votecount.
funny how both mocsta and oats got this wrong.. conspiracy theories anyone?
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Well it looks like Ace is officially going to be the lynch.
I think it would be most fitting if he flips Mirror lol.
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Fitting:
Adjective
Suitable or appropriate under the circumstances; right or proper.
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I didn't realize it was a serious question. I would much prefer scum.
Dunno why everyone is so terrified of this mirror dude.
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fuckkkkk
this blows. most exhausting day of mafia I can remember and we lynch another townie 
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gg all. Congrats on the win scumteam. Town, sorry that I wasn't much help. And thanks hosts for hosting.
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