EPTVote: VisceraEyes
A larger case will follow later tonight when I have more time.
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DoYouHas
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Vote: VisceraEyes A larger case will follow later tonight when I have more time. | ||
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On March 21 2013 02:11 Ace wrote: zarepath, if VE is some kind of 3rd party Vet with more than 1 shot powers he can only die by lynch. I'm pretty sure the Town has some kind of night KP - we find a Scum today and vigi him. Both problems solved. You are pretty sure town had 2 vig? GreY was a pseudo mason-vig. | ||
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On March 18 2013 15:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: GreYMisT the Nightmare has been lynched. You are the Nightmare. At the end of the day cycle you can choose a player whose dream you will visit. In the dream you can communicate with them in secret. You will be sent a mod link to a quicktopic. You do not have to use your real username. After a full cycle of communication, once in the game, you can choose to kill the player you had just masoned with by attacking them with a nightmare, they will die during the next night cycle. PM Night actions to me and Oatsmaster now :-) | ||
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DoYouHas
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I thought VE was scummy because of the way he was jumping around with his vote, pushing a bunch of different wagons. This started with DP but I also disagree with him on BH, which takes me to the 2 reveals at night when don't serve a town purpose. Revealing the masoning BH was doing is fine, but doing it when there is plenty of time for scum to react is a completely scum motivated thing to do. IF VE is actually a vet, then he knows with reasonable certainty that he is going to live until day2. Waiting that extra couple hours, or even just waiting until day 2 to reveal the masoning and why that made BH look scummy would not have changed any of the value of VE's points. What it did do was throw in some WIFOM where we find BH suspicious because he is forced to claim and then doesn't die, which simultaneously makes VE look more townie because the common thing scum would do in that situation is just shoot BH. Basically, I would absolutely no problem with the way VE went about this, IF he had waited until daytime. Then there is the Vet claim, which also looks bad simply because going past "I took a hit" is bad. But all of this is neither here nor there anymore becase... The 3rd party crap! This is where I am getting really confused. If we are to believe the logs, then the only reason I can think of that VE would post them with that last line in there is that he honestly believes that he never actually joined the 3rd party. Also, if that premise is rejected and he did actually join the 3rd party, then it means the my scumread is likely wrong because scum wouldn't say, "If I'm going to be ignored by most of the thread, I might as well punish them for it.". | ||
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DoYouHas
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I'm unvoting until I can figure some things out. Unvote: VE | ||
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On March 21 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I just didn't think about the logs man. They weren't even factoring in because I specifically asked if they were allowed. I assumed that if that were changed I would have specifically heard something to that regard. It was apparently in the thread and I missed it though. I posted about BH masoning me because I thought he was scum based on my conversation with him during the cycle and based on my observation of his play D1/N1. If he's scum, I wanted the fact that he's masoning people and specifically requesting that this fact be kept secret IN the thread. Becuase that's active manipulation of town. Active. I find it hard to believe that you has such a lapse in regards to the logs. Whenever I (or anyone really) has a top scum read that they are actively pursuing, which you were after revealing the BH had masoned you, I pay pretty close attention to that person's posts until they either alleviate my suspicions, or are dead. So I don't buy that you didn't notice the logs. And once you notice them, that would immediately create conflict which would quickly lead you to the host announcement that logs are allowed. This is a townie train of thought for someone pursuing their top scum read, it is not the train of thought you displayed. As for your second part, how would any of what you were trying to reveal to the town changed if you had waited until day2 to post about it? | ||
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On March 21 2013 05:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Because I wasn't sure I would survive until D2 DYH. In spite of being a Vet I don't know how much KP scum have, I'm not sure if being roleblocked affects anything, etc and I felt like the WF thing was important. Again, this answer doesn't quite add up. If you have the mentality that you might die, then you write up the information and the corresponding case and you post it right before the deadline. If you already think you might die, you don't suddenly push a case that might make you an even more likely target. | ||
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Which brings me to something that has been bothering me about this the whole time. Supposedly the Mirror has a recruitment mechanic that requires the person being recruited to accept or deny The Mirror's advances. In other words, The Mirror requires a player to play against their win condition. It just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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That, more than anything else, makes me suspicious about the plausibility of The Mirror in the first place. | ||
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1. You can choose to terminate your contact with him at any point (though we have no idea why this is a necessary thing). 2. He likely is unshootable or at least has vet powers. 3. He is likely 3rd party (though longshot could be scum). 4. He is a recruitment role. Here are the possible ways that the recruiting could work. 1. It is like the nightmare role, and it is a forced recruitment on the following day/night. 2. Same as #1 but requires you to accept. 3. If you don't cancel the QT within a period of time, you are recruited. 2 and 3 don't seem likely to me so here is where I get to a sticking poiint VE. I'm not convinced you are not scum. Also even if you are town, and The Mirror's mechanic works in a reasonable way, that means you are already 3rd party through accepting or through immediate press-ganging, or you are going to become 3rd party in the near future, which is supported by this quote from The Mirror, "the greater purpose you shall receive"(IE, you haven't received it yet). So explain how lynching you after you provide these super cases you promised is not the best course of action. We get possible scum or likely third party. If you aren't third party yet then we deny The Mirror an expansion to his 3p | ||
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DoYouHas
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Just look at how my points have lined up and you can already see the list of things I don't think add up, and I haven't even dug super hard into your filter. 1. The way you handled your accusation of BH after revealing the Masoning is not indicative of a townie mindset. 2. The timing of your reveal that BH was masoning you is not indicative of a townie mindset. 3. Your vet claim only gave additional information to the scum team. 4. You can supposedly cut off communication with The Mirror at will, but there is nothing to suggest that this specific mechanic affects what the Mirror does at all if my suppositions on how he works are in any way accurate. 5. The Mirror is completely un-phased by your revealing to the thread that he exists. Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On March 21 2013 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote: And wait a sec DYH. Why is it a longshot that he could be scum? Aren't you the one who raised the argument "Well that sounds kinda wonky for Normal". Isn't it more likely that it's just scum fucking with me than a recruiting mason with a strange recruiting mechanic? Scum screwing with you does make more sense than anything else we have supposed. | ||
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