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I think it is more likely that geript would have stayed with his RNG lynching if he was scum than if he was town. There is virtually no risk of actually lynching the person you random so this "he randomed his scumbuddy and abandoned ship" idea is pretty bad. After this he goes into setup speculation which is something that peashooter was already getting heat for (not something scum do). When challenged, he directly refers to the thing BH says is most scummy about peashooter (going to bed), and then follows suit. This doesn't strike me as a show of confidence in his innocence, this strikes me as actual confidence. Nothing geript has discussed so far has been constructive, but I don't think that makes him scum. I really like VE's SAST idea after thinking it over and I would love to apply once I am convinced that I can keep up the activity (lurking has been a problem for me in the past). But just so I am clear, the votes go towards the group's opinion, not VE's opinion, right? | ||
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On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote: I've got some stuff to say about geript The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. I don't really have a conclusion to this, Scib's other posts don't raise red flags for me and what I have is not enough to turn him scum. I just want to hear more from Scib. | ||
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On March 17 2013 07:02 TranceStorm wrote: 2 Questions: 1. What in particular do/did you like about VE's SAST idea? 2. Why do you feel the need to add in a note about lurking into your analysis? Also, who is BH that everyone seems to be referring to? 1. I really like the SAST idea because it forces the hand of mafia. If they don't try to become a part of the circle, you have a group of active townies committed to voting together, which is incredibly dangerous for scum. If they do try to become part of the circle, they run the risk of not influencing it enough and getting their votes tied to a larger voice of active townies. If they do manage to influence the circle enough to render it ineffective by either joining it or derailing it from the outside, you have forced multiple scum to be active, which gives us more to work with and puts them in the spotlight. 2. By bringing up that lurking is a problem for me (especially when I'm scum btw) I'm hoping that the rest of you will push me to post more. The desire to sit back and solve the question of who is mafia through analysis is a big problem in my play. It has repeatedly led me to tunneling and small post counts. BH = Blazinghand = Wade. | ||
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- My second read-through has me agreeing with Kita, Layabout, and MrWiggles' points against GK, that is where my vote is going if my opinion doesn't change after looking into the meta that BH brought up and after reading GK's promised case. - Greymist's lack of recent posting is disturbing. First he says: On March 16 2013 22:28 GreYMisT wrote: First off, fairly busy today, so I'll be more active in around 5 hours. But what does he actually post in his 'active period'? Considering the number of people that find him suspicious, i would think GM would be more inclined to post than he is showing. - I am also suspicious of Zarepath, Vivax, and Ryu. More on them later, I don't want to split my focus too much. | ||
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On a side note, I'm surprised that TranceStorm's travesty of a first post failed to catch any comments: On March 17 2013 06:34 TranceStorm wrote: It's pretty pointless to be looking at the differences between a player's mafia and town play on Day 1. On Day 1 there is absolutely no reason for mafia members to behave differently than town members! In short, mafia players behave exactly like town players on Day 1: they throw around a few accusations, they might speculate on the different roles available in the game, and they might throw around a few town reads as well. All of this is possible because there is no information available at all. Differences in 'play' arise in the following days when information is revealed and pressure is put on certain players (i.e. when they have to justify their voting decisions in previous rounds). A player's behavior changes as a mafia member when they see their teammates under significant pressure. That's when play analysis comes in, not right now. It's much better to ask people for their beliefs to serve as a record for later rounds to measure for inconsistencies and what not. | ||
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Right now I'm taking a break for food and TV. But when I come back from that my first order of business is to get my thoughts on zarepath out since that looks like it might get some traction. After that I will get my thoughts straight on GK and stop this 'maybe i will, maybe i won't' crap. | ||
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What I did learn from reading zarepath's filter is that he doesn't like people who townclaim, people who discuss the setup, and people who talk about policy (specifically SAST). Almost all of his suspicions so far (Coag exception) are people that have fallen into one of those categories. I'm waiting on zarepath to come out strongly for a lynch candidate and provide his own reasoning, something beyond shuffling the candidate into one of those categories. He almost got there with one of his more recent posts on GK, but backed off it and then left the thread. I agree with Scib's impression of zarepath's first post and how zarepath's dealing with TPS seems inconsistent. I'll be around for the next hour or so reviewing GK's meta before I go to bed, let's talk. ##Join: SAST | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you notice how he's suspicious of sandroba but agrees with sandroba that Grey is suspicious? Like if he were town you'd think he'd mention that fact and explain his thought process on being suspicious of both. Are you talking about GK or zare? | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote: Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Test actually made me paranoid for a bit with his speculation. DrH said he wanted to play with conversion mechanics and I thought that joining the group might be prerequisite or something. Clearly I've moved on from that. | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Why? What is the difference? He can only vote one of them. The difference is that scum want to be consistent in their reads, particularly when under pressure. Sandro's suspicion of GreY creates conflict in GK's reads because it is less likely that they are both scum (not guaranteed, but that is why I pointed out Ryu). Scum want consistency so that they can keep things straight and avoid scrutiny. Town care less about consistency and more about being right. Also, this was my initial response which is still relevant: On March 17 2013 14:44 DoYouHas wrote: I found it surprising, but not particularly scummy. Picking 2 people as your top scum reads (at least the ones he is most likely to vote) in spite of them being at odds with each other earlier in the thread is a bold move. It strikes me as the paranoia of a townie, not the calculated target of scum(yes, you are slowly winning me over BH/GK). | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote: Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1. You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing. | ||
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