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TLCastingGolems
160 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:36 Promato wrote: I'm reading you make a mess of this game, that is what I'm doing. Like I said, you're either mafia or bad town. The question is which. Guess. | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:36 DrParnassus wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: Promato That's the worst vote I have ever seen. | ||
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Promato
92 Posts
Ugh. Talk to thrawn, he knows better. | ||
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TLCastingGolems
160 Posts
Your conversation with Prom--- its a meta read which I know nothing about. I refuse to base my own reads based on meta of players I dont even know, and one measly meta read does not a towny player make imo. It's entirely possible for scum or town to come to the same conclusions you did. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:39 TLCastingGolems wrote: FiveTouch: Your conversation with Prom--- its a meta read which I know nothing about. I refuse to base my own reads based on meta of players I dont even know, and one measly meta read does not a towny player make imo. It's entirely possible for scum or town to come to the same conclusions you did. It's not a meta read at all. It's a mafia mentality read. A player comes in with a scum read on someone. I give them more reason to be suspicious of said person, and he changes his mind. What's the mafia motivation for doing that? Hint: there isn't one. As mafia, you don't close off potential mislynches for no reason. | ||
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TLCastingGolems
160 Posts
Note OE still hasn't shown up and we've heard nothing from him about what HE thinks of us. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:43 TLCastingGolems wrote: Alright ladies and gents, I'm out. Note OE still hasn't shown up and we've heard nothing from him about what HE thinks of us. who do you want to lynch | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
On March 17 2013 05:28 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Ok, what about me do you not like? Give me a tangible reason. One of my posts, my attitude somewhere... anything. On March 17 2013 05:30 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: To add to that, I don't mind it when someone gives a "gut-feeling" read normally, but it seems like you're giving them to dodge making any actual analysis. You've done so little post/behavior analysis on anyone this game. Hell it doesn't even seem like you've read my filter at all. Also I wasn't very impressed with your case on Promato at all. For one, you never addressed the fact that he was the first to bring up suspicions on OE. This is not disputable. Since much of your suspicion seems associative, how does a Prome/OE scumteam make any sense? Secondly: We didn't call him mafia? Lol. You didn't call OE mafia. In your initial post, you gave a flat null-read on him and didn't look into him at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=34#666 VE's screamfest reminds me of his play in LX (since that's the only game in which I've played with him), but I've also heard that him getting all emotional is typical of his play no matter what alignment? Probably null but I'm still definitely going to comb through before coming to any decisions. Even in that recent list post, you just paint his name red and imply suspicion. You don't call him scum, and you don't do anything commital. You just say you'd like to hear from him more: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=39#777 I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
##unvote ##Vote:TlCastingGolems all the stars have aligned. it is widely accepted that OO is likely to flip scum. OO is voting promato. TLCG is acting like OO is a good lynch, but is spending most of his time pushing promato and declining to vote for either of them. i'm not sure how much more usefulconversation can be had until either 1 of two things happens.... VE comes back, or TLCG actually starts pushing a lynch | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
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Promato
92 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:01 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Also I need to hear more from Moology. He's not participating much in this discussion at all. Trufax Let's not jump off the bridge into lynching TLCG over OO when Moo is being worse about this. | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
"oops I meant to write town" to "I thought he did it intentionally to keep us from being lynched but nope it was just a bad mistake" I'm still saying we should lynch VE/OO rather than Golems because I believe its a higher chance of lynching scum. Once OE flips and it is CONFIRMED that he is scum, the points made about Golems odd comments about Prom being scum while OE is voting for him and the fact that Prom was the one who singled out OE can be explained much more clearly. To me it looks like Golems is trying to separate himself from OE while also trying to shift around blame where he can. He has even admitted to not really reading the thread while still throwing out accusations. That's not a very town-oriented move. It is what scum does when they start to feel pressured. Town reads and comes to an educated conclusion and then gives their thoughts. Scum throws crap at a wall and hopes something sticks. However Golems was not the only one to try to get off the topic of OE scum or not quite believe it 100% and try to curve the lynch to others. + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 09:40 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: ##Unvote I'm too damn paranoid. The simplest explanation for the NK is that marv ordered the kill. I don't know how likely that is, but I need to pursue it to see if it has merit. It was a fucking weird-ass NK for anyone here to make, and today shouldn't be a "sheep marv blindly" day without additional reasons to trust him. @ Marv There are two reasons why I'm concerned. 1) You did something very similar in DeathNote Mini, where you wanted to kill Palmar on Day 1, but couldn't because of wonky-kill mechanics and the town mislynching Palmar Day 1. 2) Palmar does have a history of trolling Day 1. DeathNote Mini comes to mind, where he just made like 2 posts the entirety of the day. As such, this explanation in your "martyr" post comes across as dishonest: Palmar does waste Day 1's as town. Not often, but he does. This is a pretty clear misrepresentation of his play, and you definetely know his history. I have to say I still believe Newbie to be null-town but it should be pointed out that Golems was not alone in making strange accusations. Marv is one of my town reads and I understand you were just trying to come to a better understanding of the Dirk NK but I still feel trying to place blame on marv for the NK was odd. as for my inactivity, sorry. As mentioned before my house got gassed and it's a large cleaning job. (5 bedrooms, takes about 4 hours to clean each one + living room / dining room / kitchen ect.) And for Mocsta I think it's like 5am for him right now. I read to keep up with the conversations but unless I make time I can't reply as much as I would like. However I am making an effort to keep up with the conversations. | ||
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DrParnassus
Afghanistan565 Posts
On March 17 2013 06:25 Moology wrote: Give me 10~ minutes and I'll make some time to post. I also think lynching Golems over OE is a dumb idea... I'm not sure why that is even a topic when you are 100% sure of OE and still think there are other scum candidates other than Golems. I want to lynch scum, not maybe get his scum buddy based on some association of bussing before OE flips. I think you are putting the cart before the horse when talking about lynching Golems or anybody other than OE today. there's much, much more to it than association based on VE -VE's alignment doesn't matter. red/green, TLCG looks bad either way by virtue of how carefully they're approaching talking about VE -the bizzare push on Newbie. most of the original case was based on the idea that dirk is red. after the flip, TLCG still wanted hapa to respond to the case.... after dirk had flipped green -the blue claim is all kinds of strange -there are also very strange posts where the wording they use is just... weird. "mental reevaluation," "didn't notice any breadcrumbs," just weird things to say. lots of them have been brought up over the last few pages -their insistence that they need to confer before being able to share ideas to the thread. they are acting like they need each other's permission to post... ya know, just so they don't scumslip or something -what are they currently doing? they're blowing a lot of smoke about promato, while maintaining the VE is prob a good lynch but they really aren't pushing either lynch. It looks like they're trying to figure out which wagon they should join | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
I agree his blue claim is extremely weak. There is no proof behind it and it is extremely sloppy. It's a bit of WIFOM but I think it's exactly the scenario that scum would fall into after accidentally claiming blue rather than saying town. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
Despite my vote being on Caster, I'm not yet at the stage that I want to lynch him over VE/OO. However I'm getting pretty close. All I want to see is some analysis from them, and I haven't gotten anything from them. They have made 3 "cases" so far: 1) A "case" on FiveTouch that draws NO conclusions about their allignment and simply criticizes their play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=11#205 2) A "case" on myself that was entirely based on association with Dirk. Not to mention that he pressured me based on this case after Dirk flipped green... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#442 3) A "case" on Promato: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=39#767 The thing with the case on Promato is that it just... looks a lot like a scum-case. He reads through his filter post-by-post and flings shit on anything he can find. His attitude seems more critical of Promato's play than anything else. Finally... So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on. Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0. He explicitly states that he sees zero town motivation from Prom. Those are pretty strong words, so why isn't he voting Prom? That whole exchange with him giving reads then making the case on Prom is very very strange. He first posts this list post in which he finds Prom null: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=38#754 Current reads: DrParn FiveTouch Moology Newbie Promato OE ...then all of a sudden when FiveTouch asks him to elaborate on Prome, he dives through Prome's filter and magically figures out that there's "zero town motivation" behind his actions. Fuck I might have just convinced myself to stick with my vote. | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
I don't think he actually cares who gets lynched today. Especially after admitting he released his "current reads" without them being current at all. | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:31 Moology wrote: EBWOP: Actually, he's done this twice now where his reads are not current but he doesn't seem to care. Once as you mentioned as he continued to pressure you after Dirk flipped town, and again now on Prom. Well that's not quite what I was getting at. The thing with Prome is that Caster initially had a null read on Prome after a night's deliberation between them. Then the second FiveTouch pressures them to read Prome's filter, he all of a sudden arrives at a very strong scumread. This is scummy because... a) It reads like Caster isn't reading filters of his own initiative b) A Prome/Oblivious scumteam makes very little sense given suspicions, and the case completely ignores that. c) The case finds "zero town motivation" for Prome's actions, yet Caster doesn't vote him...? Basically he suddenly updated his scumread at a very strange time, and the case he provides is pretty flawed. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
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