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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn
FiveTouchMoology Newbie Promato OEParn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in.-S4
This is the same shit you did earlier with ObsQT. Your entire "case" that he is scum revolves around someone else being scum. Except, you're even more non-committal towards it this time.
What do you think about Promato as a player, regardless of any "connections"? What about my post earlier about why I thought Promato was town?
Give some actual thoughts, for once.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Any reaction to this, Golems?
On March 17 2013 02:51 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn
FiveTouchMoology Newbie Promato OEParn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in.-S4 This is the same shit you did earlier with ObsQT. Your entire "case" that he is scum revolves around someone else being scum. Except, you're even more non-committal towards it this time. What do you think about Promato as a player, regardless of any "connections"? What about my post earlier about why I thought Promato was town? Give some actual thoughts, for once.
You were all up in here pressuring people and calling people out, but don't respond when I pressure you back?
(See how you're doing the same thing you call someone else out for earlier?)
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Ohai guys.
Think I've got about an hour or so, so I'll see what I can throw together.
-Wave
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On March 17 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai guys.
Think I've got about an hour or so, so I'll see what I can throw together.
-Wave
derp
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On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.
I can't promptly respond when I'm driving and posting on my phone at red-lights.
As for your claim... it doesn't mean much. There's zero way for me to verify that you're telling the truth. In addition, I don't understand at all why you'd try to go and block the mafia shot instead of saving one of your strongest town reads. I assume you thought that FiveTouch was town all yesterday, and he seemed like the very obvious NK choice. Why didn't you go after him?
This blue-claim is just really really strange all around. I've never seen someone go "whoops I blue slipped in the least subtle way possible, guess I have to claim now." It reads as very forced, and I can see it as fake really easily. Thus I need to make reads on the rest of your behavior right now, which doesn't help your case much.
For one, you're not providing any analysis. Both you and WoS are more than capable of writing cases and justifying your opinions, but I've seen very little of it this game.
For example this post:
On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn
FiveTouchMoology Newbie Promato OEParn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things.Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player.I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in.-S4
The only thing that constitutes an actual read here is your line on OE, and that's pretty paltry. There has to be something else in his filter you can draw from.
Other than that, your other reads are statements, and NOT reads. For example your null/slight-town read on me - you say my pressure seems townie, but make no attempt to justify it. Hell if it seems townie, why do you post stuff like this?
On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question.
You say my pressure is townie, but cast suspicion on it? It's not coherent and makes very little sense.
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@ Wave
Hey bud! Have a couple of questions for you. I need to figure out what you were thinking last night when you posted your scum-read on me. Answer what you can:
1) What is your current read on me?
2) What were you thinking at the time you made that post?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=34#666
I'll be honest. It's really tough to justify that post from a town perspective. It basically shows that you were suspicious of me without knowing the reasons for it, and that's not normal for a townie.
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On Prom:
He hasn't posted anything of any note whatsoever since the NK, only mentioning himself that he knows he will not be targeted.
On March 16 2013 07:45 Promato wrote:
its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you.
I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day.
Waiting on that explanation, Prom.
His next three posts offer absolutely nothing of note:
On March 16 2013 08:03 Promato wrote:
well for the moment i say ##Vote: obliviouseyes
some follow up needed while I reread Dirk though. Interesting kill choice really.
A vote with no follow-up and promise of a re-read. He says 'interesting choice,' and doesn't seem fazed by it one way or the other. Isn't that odd that nobody gives him shit about this yet when we post that we thought the Dirk NK was absolutely fucking retarded we have DrParnassus comment on how we 'don't seem to care about the NK?'
+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 14:10 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, that post somehow managed to get everything BACKWARDS. like, there isn't one read in there that makes sense
and no, you don't seem surprised about that night kill
you mentioned something about me self voting and said you'll look into it. lol. please do.
The we have this:
On March 16 2013 14:47 Promato wrote:
Could it really be as easy as OE/Golems?
Lol, everyone else does look fairly town.
Great fucking reads. Really. Just jump on everyone else's suspicions while offering nothing of your own whatsoever, looks great. Besides, when the fuck is it ever that easy? You're really willing to sit back as a town player and let everyone do the work for you? How is that town-motivated?
Final post before he disappears off the face of the earth:
On March 16 2013 14:59 Promato wrote:
It would be a horrendously stupid thing for scum Golems to come in with an opinion contrary to the thread sentiment regarding VE at this time, but I've seen scum be worse with this kind of thing.
So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on.
Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0.
Oh and marv/FT?
The difference in my response to Newbie and my response to you is that we were going back and forth, he asks me a question, I respond in a timely fashion, and then he didn't respond until I had to ask. DrParn even said to take time to formulate reads, so that's what we're doing.
Now that you're back, Newbie I'll respond to your recent questions/analysis.
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"I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc."
OK, let's assume golems is town and VE is scum. The quoted sentence doesn't make any sense under that assumption. Why would scum VE run away when people start talking about town Golems?
Golems, explain why a scum VE would always avoid talking about you. That quote strongly condemns both of you. It's like you're trying to get away with bussing VE, but your accusation of VE is based on your knowledge that both of you are mafia.
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Alright let's see:
Regarding the blue claim, I thought Soniv did that on purpose because I figured it was a good way out of you guys mislynching us later in the day but no, he actually fucked that up and meant to write town.
As to your questions to be specifically:
1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. Now the thing about the case on you is, while it contained largely associative points, it is still technically very easy for scum to throw suspicion onto us/other Dirk voters really easily by doing what they did. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they killed him themselves rather than letting us mislynch. Doesn't make you scum, but doesn't make you town either.
2) What was I thinking? Not a hell of a lot. Posting without fully reading, and getting frustrated by our own lack of contribution combined with being generally very lost.
You say this:
It basically shows that you were suspicious of me without knowing the reasons for it, and that's not normal for a townie.
...you're telling me gut reads aren't normal?
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I don't know why scum VE would avoid talking about us, the same as we have no idea why they shot Dirk last night. Scummy motivations bring about a lot of WIFOM.
VE has a lot to answer to/for anyway right now, best he answers himself.
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On March 17 2013 05:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright let's see:
Regarding the blue claim, I thought Soniv did that on purpose because I figured it was a good way out of you guys mislynching us later in the day but no, he actually fucked that up and meant to write town.
As to your questions to be specifically:
1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. Now the thing about the case on you is, while it contained largely associative points, it is still technically very easy for scum to throw suspicion onto us/other Dirk voters really easily by doing what they did. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they killed him themselves rather than letting us mislynch. Doesn't make you scum, but doesn't make you town either.
The ball doesn't stop with association - you have to dig through my filter and attempt to make a read on me through my behavior. Also, it sounds like you didn't read my filter at all - I am literally the most active player here right now. You gave FT and DrP town-reads for this very activity, yet not me for some reason.
Secondly, this "null, gut feel = scum" thing is VERY very different from what your buddy posted only a couple of hours ago:
Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player.
S4 very clearly gave me town-cred for my pressure. You claim you collaborated with him and reached the opposite conclusion. Why the difference?
2) What was I thinking? Not a hell of a lot. Posting without fully reading, and getting frustrated by our own lack of contribution combined with being generally very lost.
Like you were thinking... nothing... at all... when you posted you were suspicious of me? This is what I don't understand about your play - you clearly had your previous case against me in mind when you asked me to respond to it. Also, why would you post that you're suspicious of someone if you have literally no idea why you were suspicious of them?
You say this: Show nested quote +
It basically shows that you were suspicious of me without knowing the reasons for it, and that's not normal for a townie.
...you're telling me gut reads aren't normal?
Gut reads are normal. HOWEVER, it still conflicts with the read that s4 posted.
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1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd.
We're in agreement here completely. The pressure seems normal but there's something about you we just don't like.
Sorry, bro.
As for my thinking, what exactly do you want? I could try to fabricate some bullshit reason as to what I was doing but honestly I just wanted to get something out there to try and contribute in a hurry and it backfired big time.
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lol, this is bullshit.
I was the first one to nail VE as mafia.
I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this.
Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town.
The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another.
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On March 17 2013 05:23 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. We're in agreement here completely. The pressure seems normal but there's something about you we just don't like. Sorry, bro. As for my thinking, what exactly do you want? I could try to fabricate some bullshit reason as to what I was doing but honestly I just wanted to get something out there to try and contribute in a hurry and it backfired big time.
Ok, what about me do you not like? Give me a tangible reason. One of my posts, my attitude somewhere... anything.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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To add to that, I don't mind it when someone gives a "gut-feeling" read normally, but it seems like you're giving them to dodge making any actual analysis. You've done so little post/behavior analysis on anyone this game. Hell it doesn't even seem like you've read my filter at all.
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On March 17 2013 05:26 Promato wrote:
lol, this is bullshit.
I was the first one to nail VE as mafia.
I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this.
Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town.
The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another.
We didn't call him mafia? Lol.
On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn
FiveTouchMoology Newbie Promato OEParn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in. -S4
Now assuming your process of catching another mafia is referring to us, that's laughable. 'Process' actually implies you doing something today.
FT: ok I couldn't find the post you were referring to earlier, thanks for linking it.
Looking into it now.
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I'm reading you make a mess of this game, that is what I'm doing.
Like I said, you're either mafia or bad town. The question is which.
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