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How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I tuned the spam down here but my play is still largely the same style. I still haven't shaken it. I almost feel like it's not any different than how Kurumi feels compelled to emulate Chezinu, or how Palmar can barely be arsed to play D1. If you're calling this hydra scummy because of something I did, guess what -- join the club of just about every single other person I've ever played a game with. Shit, even Marv thought I was scum in LX and he wasn't even playing.
I get the feeling that VE wanted to be more into this game but things were so slow for long periods of time that there hasn't been much to add, at least from my perspective. Call it re-adjusting from the big game I was just in. There were several periods like that on D1, first half of N1 was relatively quiet. I can see where VE was coming from with his caps-lock thing earlier. I've personally gotten over being called scum at this point because it happens Every. Single. Game. Is it all that often that people jump on VE for stupid little shit comments? So whatever, that out of the way, I'll give you my latest thoughts and then there will be the performance art portion of the post.
Current major concerns:
Yamato is getting really self-congratulatory with his deduction that this is somehow a scum VE. Also, what does this even mean?
On March 16 2013 04:34 Promato wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 16:32 ObliviousEyes wrote:Consider this defense as "obligatory" because yamato literally just said I'm his top scumread. - I'm pushing Dirk because I think he's scum. I was the only person voting for him at the end of the day and you call him an "easy target"? Get real bro. He's easy now, sure. Everyone wants a piece of Dirk now that their "easy" target didn't work out. I tried to get Dirk lynched, and he had a chance of being lynched which is evident from how "easy" a target you perceive Dirk to be now.
- Earlier on I wasn't liking his casting style but progressively Golems has grown less general and more focused imo. We're talking about it presently actually. He thinks he found something, and he's someone I'm filtering.
Do you have any kind of SPECIFIC problem with our play? Or are you just poking and prodding? Why are we ignoring this guy? Again, I repeat, VE does that soft push of town's wagon thing all the fucking time as mafia. I would be shocked if he was town.
VE was soft pushing by telling you that you should have voted the clearly scummy Dirk Hardpec? The guy who kept us in the loop that he would have something useful tomorrow? DH, who clearly didn't care enough about the town to leave anything at all with us before end of night? So now you're telling me we're scum because the guy we voted for ended up being town? BOTH PLAYERS were equally viable candidates yesterday, and everyone seemed to agree with Marv that someone who posted a little and promised more was more valuable than someone who hadn't posted and was cruising for a warning. Yamato is accusing us retroactively of our pushing a lynch on town or somehow VE's post pushing for town to lynch their own choice who ended up town. This is just kind of... okay, the first is true no matter what because DH ended up dying and flipping town, but what the fuck does the second choice say about our choice? OH WE'RE BAD BECAUSE OUR LYNCH CHOICE WAS A TOWNIE WHO GOT NIGHTKILLED? Does it occur to you that we now become the easiest mislynch of the day as the only remaining vote on DH? That's a really spectacular setup by scum and congratulations on that effort, it seems to be working out quite well given the general sentiment already. It was only a matter of time before that vote was mentioned so here I am telling you that if I had to do it again, I personally still would have voted for DH. Someone who has proven that they are information hiding D1 is not someone I feel comfortable keeping around because that behavior doesn't and shouldn't fly on any other night.
-OO
+ Show Spoiler [performance art portion] +Four years and thirteen months ago our forefathers brought to this great message board, TL Mafia, concieved in entertainment, and dedicated to the purpose that all towns are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing wether this town, or any town so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that game. We have come to dedicate a portion of that game as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives, that that town might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we cannot hallow -- this town. The brave townsmen, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far about our poor power to hunt and lurk. The board will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what we did here. It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who played here have thus far so nobly improved. It is rather for for us to be here, dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under Ver and Ace, shall have a new birth of justice -- and that a town of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from this town. - + Show Spoiler +
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Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying.
-OO
##Vote: Promato
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On March 16 2013 18:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying.
-OO
##Vote: Promato
OMGUS.
Why is Promato really scum? Is it just cause he voted for you? Or are there other reasons?
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On March 16 2013 18:49 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying.
-OO
##Vote: Promato OMGUS. Why is Promato really scum? Is it just cause he voted for you? Or are there other reasons?
Have I not shown that his attack vector is flawed?
How about this?
On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote:
Not to sound too know-it-all, but I did have my reservations about this lynch, as shown in my posts so far this game.
What does this achieve at all? If he knew better, why didn't he push someone, anyone else? Hell he could have made a case on me for my summary posts that would have been just as valid and pushed for me, but instead we have Promato (Prome at the time) going with the flow and dismissing it nonchalantly after the fact. Saying he knew better and doing something about it are two separate things. I get he's playing two games, has a sick girlfriend, has school or work or whatever, but he himself went along with the Witty vote regardless. So he had reservations about it? What about the part where he said Adam claimed scum?
On March 14 2013 12:03 Promato wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 11:54 WittyHydraName wrote:
Im strugging to find the motivation to follow this game, between Heart of the Swarm and a pretty big burnout after Duel.
Ill give you my thoughts in an hour or two.
Adam.
I really consider this a scum claim from Adam. Maybe he really is burnt out, but town Adam is almost always loud about the lynch and has opinions. Scum Adam does nothing. This looks like scum Adam. As Marv said, this hydra is insanely easy to catch and I'm not surprised their collective effort is so small. -snip-
Seemed fairly convinced there. If he had doubts it was his duty to convince us otherwise, or at least put us on another train of thought. Never happened as far as I can see. Saying he had doubts after the fact is patting himself on the back and letting us know he actually thought they were town, but went for their lynch anyway.
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On March 16 2013 19:02 ObliviousEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:49 DrParnassus wrote:On March 16 2013 18:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Like seriously, where did this concept that VE is mafia come from in the context of soft-pushing town. It's called consolidation. I see you shit on him for following up on a point your hydra brought up before as part of your case, nice job on that one. Do you mean he was soft-pushing WittyHydraName? I'm simply not following your argument and it looks scummy to me to jump from A to F without literally connecting the dots. Saying that he is willing to consolidate was his way of agreeing that WittyHydra was probably scum as well. So far I see a flimsy basis to start yourself in a VE-is-scum read of attacking a natural part of the conversation in the thread. Then you're saying you definitely know he's scum because of the way he's pushing something that is completely rational. What the hell? I'm not buying.
-OO
##Vote: Promato OMGUS. Why is Promato really scum? Is it just cause he voted for you? Or are there other reasons? Have I not shown that his attack vector is flawed? How about this? Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 14:39 Promato wrote:
Not to sound too know-it-all, but I did have my reservations about this lynch, as shown in my posts so far this game. What does this achieve at all? If he knew better, why didn't he push someone, anyone else? Hell he could have made a case on me for my summary posts that would have been just as valid and pushed for me, but instead we have Promato (Prome at the time) going with the flow and dismissing it nonchalantly after the fact. Saying he knew better and doing something about it are two separate things. I get he's playing two games, has a sick girlfriend, has school or work or whatever, but he himself went along with the Witty vote regardless. So he had reservations about it? What about the part where he said Adam claimed scum? Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 12:03 Promato wrote:On March 14 2013 11:54 WittyHydraName wrote:
Im strugging to find the motivation to follow this game, between Heart of the Swarm and a pretty big burnout after Duel.
Ill give you my thoughts in an hour or two.
Adam.
I really consider this a scum claim from Adam. Maybe he really is burnt out, but town Adam is almost always loud about the lynch and has opinions. Scum Adam does nothing. This looks like scum Adam. As Marv said, this hydra is insanely easy to catch and I'm not surprised their collective effort is so small. -snip- Seemed fairly convinced there. If he had doubts it was his duty to convince us otherwise, or at least put us on another train of thought. Never happened as far as I can see. Saying he had doubts after the fact is patting himself on the back and letting us know he actually thought they were town, but went for their lynch anyway.
Lol isnt that why you omgused him? Cause his attack on you was unfounded.
I like the other stuff though.
PROMETHELAX/YAMATO.
SHOW YOUR FACE!
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I'll post in this game tomorrow, and destroy VE/OO.
Until then, think about nomination and what happened to VE when I accused him.
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On March 16 2013 07:45 Promato wrote:
its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you.
I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day.
Pretty confident he isn't going to die here on N1, so why even mention town power roles, especially in reference to himself? He's talking about town power roles out of the blue (pun lol) and is 100% confident he's not getting night killed. Not even a question, just straight up no, he knew he wasn't going to die. Even a quick list off the top of his head would have been more useful than this.
-OO
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I apply a little pressure and this is what I get?
On March 16 2013 19:57 yamato77 wrote:
I'll post in this game tomorrow, and destroy VE/OO.
Until then, think about nomination and what happened to VE when I accused him.
Squirm, scum. Squirm. Come back when you're finished consulting your teammates.
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On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote:
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it.
I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all.
If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears.
~marv
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Oh and by the way, hapa, the reason i was ranting last night was
1) Dr. P saying he would throw away his vote
2) you making the dumbest, most newbie mistake ever - speculating on N1 nightkill. I've never done this even once in any of my many mafia games, because it's so fucking retarded. You should know it's retarded too.
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On March 16 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote:
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all. If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears. ~marv
I'm getting up in Promato's face right now. I just wrote above I wanted to avoid the spammy part in this game as part of being more readable instead of having a filter full of fluff as opposed to last time. As far as being aggressive, if you don't characterize what I'm doing with Promato right now as aggressive and in his face (as opposed to attacking the absent WittyHydraName from D1 which would have been fruitless, or the CastingGolems whose flavor I enjoyed but considered obfuscation, not entirely scummy and they have also decided to drop it at least for now) then I'm not sure how much more aggressive I can get without caps-lock. Do you not find my current actions aggressive? I'm trying to hold up my half of this hydra because not only am I playing for myself, but for VE as well and that's a lot more responsibility than I have had in any game outside of the newbie I replaced in as SK. There are parts of my play it makes sense to cut out like the spam and martyring and this is as good an opportunity as any when it's not just me whose slot goes down the drain based on my actions.
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Count the Votes:
ObliviousEyes (3): Promato, FiveTouch, Moology
TLCastingGolems (2): DrParnassus, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Promato (1): ObliviousEyes
Currently, ObliviousEyes is set to be lynched!
~35 hours left until the deadline.
Full Version:+ Show Spoiler +
ObliviousEyes (3): Promato, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT, FiveTouch, Moology, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
DrParnassus (0): DrParnassus
TLCastingGolems (2): DrParnassus, NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Promato (1): ObliviousEyes
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I agree with my other head on the casters them not taking that new info of the flip is complete bs and shows the suspicion on us was simply scripted and they are not actually trying to figure out alignments
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Ve what you think of this caster stuff?
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On March 16 2013 20:38 ObliviousEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote:
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all. If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears. ~marv I'm getting up in Promato's face right now. I just wrote above I wanted to avoid the spammy part in this game as part of being more readable instead of having a filter full of fluff as opposed to last time. As far as being aggressive, if you don't characterize what I'm doing with Promato right now as aggressive and in his face (as opposed to attacking the absent WittyHydraName from D1 which would have been fruitless, or the CastingGolems whose flavor I enjoyed but considered obfuscation, not entirely scummy and they have also decided to drop it at least for now) then I'm not sure how much more aggressive I can get without caps-lock. Do you not find my current actions aggressive? I'm trying to hold up my half of this hydra because not only am I playing for myself, but for VE as well and that's a lot more responsibility than I have had in any game outside of the newbie I replaced in as SK. There are parts of my play it makes sense to cut out like the spam and martyring and this is as good an opportunity as any when it's not just me whose slot goes down the drain based on my actions.
No, this is no ways answers my question. You specifically said you made posts like the one I showed in my case, I said I couldn't find them.
The onus is on you to prove me wrong. Please find me those horrendously wishy washy posts in LX (from day 1), as they are nowhere to be found as far as I can see.
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it
I want to physically see these posts from other games you're talking about.
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On March 16 2013 23:10 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 20:38 ObliviousEyes wrote:On March 16 2013 20:26 FiveTouch wrote:On March 16 2013 17:50 ObliviousEyes wrote:
How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do it and I've never played a game where I didn't get called out for it eventually. Nobody was happy with my play in LX because it was spammy as shit for the first day and I almost found myself hanging for it. I looked at the first 2 pages of your filter in LX and didn't find anything similar to the series of posts that I showed here. You were aggressive, somewhat trolly, and in your face. That's not what I'm seeing here at all. If you can show me posts you think are similar, I'm all ears. ~marv I'm getting up in Promato's face right now. I just wrote above I wanted to avoid the spammy part in this game as part of being more readable instead of having a filter full of fluff as opposed to last time. As far as being aggressive, if you don't characterize what I'm doing with Promato right now as aggressive and in his face (as opposed to attacking the absent WittyHydraName from D1 which would have been fruitless, or the CastingGolems whose flavor I enjoyed but considered obfuscation, not entirely scummy and they have also decided to drop it at least for now) then I'm not sure how much more aggressive I can get without caps-lock. Do you not find my current actions aggressive? I'm trying to hold up my half of this hydra because not only am I playing for myself, but for VE as well and that's a lot more responsibility than I have had in any game outside of the newbie I replaced in as SK. There are parts of my play it makes sense to cut out like the spam and martyring and this is as good an opportunity as any when it's not just me whose slot goes down the drain based on my actions. No, this is no ways answers my question. You specifically said you made posts like the one I showed in my case, I said I couldn't find them. The onus is on you to prove me wrong. Please find me those horrendously wishy washy posts in LX (from day 1), as they are nowhere to be found as far as I can see. How am I not surprised that everyone thinks I'm scummy because I make summary posts? I've never played a game where I didn't do itI want to physically see these posts from other games you're talking about.
Phone posting from bed it's going to be messy. I'll quote it later.
LX I scared myself into not posting once I drew a ton of heat.
Take a look at Fruity mafia - mini game we played in together
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17807074
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17817268
That's the last I can remember that would be applicable here. Also you thought i was scummy there =[
My second newbie game I think was more of the same, a game with DarthPunk but that's so long ago.
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i will open it to everyone i guess
Casters totes scum? yay or nay
+ Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.
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Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future.
On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.
You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue?
-S4
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On March 16 2013 22:56 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Ve what you think of this caster stuff?
And I too want to know the answer to this question
-S4
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On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4
Is this a claim?
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