Hydra Mini Mafia - Page 41

On March 17 2013 07:43 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Anywho Moology, where do you stand on Caster right now? Do you still unequivocally support an ObliviousEyes lynch first?

On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote:
What the fuck...

##Vote: ObliviousEyes

With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again.

I thought even Mocsta touched on VE's town meta in his case. Personally I (omni) have never played with VE but I worked it out another way for scum VE to still make sense to me without meta, and that was determining that a mafia Newbie would never have made the NK on Dirk and therefore my previous suspicions had been wrong. Obviously wrong about Dirk, and through a town Dirk, probably wrong about Newbie. Rather than knowing how VE plays I tried to use process of elimination and found that I could not eliminate the possibility of a scum ObliviousEyes.

You as well seem town in my book because of the way the Dirk lynch was set up. I can't see you as being scum and basically lining yourself up to be lynched today to get rid of DIRK. If Prom hadn't got on VE's case and called him out / forced him to handle the pressure so poorly I think you would have the majority of votes right now competing with Golems instead of VE. For that reason you are also null - leaning town until the flip of VE.

(3) Newbies - You guys are becoming better town read.... BUT.. i get the feeling it is only hapa posting ??!?!?!??!

On March 17 2013 08:20 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:


Yep. Iamp is being lazy... he says I'm doing well enough for the both of us >>

On March 17 2013 08:20 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:


Yep. Iamp is being lazy... he says I'm doing well enough for the both of us >>

On March 17 2013 08:25 Moology wrote:

Thats a problem for me.

The issue I had with your play was
You were coming across townie to me

& iamp.. well. . lets just say he wasnt.

If now all you are doing is posting... well... i have concerns.

Thing is.. from what I am aware, you spew bullshit when scum; and im not seeing that. so i would still go with town; i just think its important that iamp posts as well.

Franky. i dont get two shits about judging the "hydra".. because..
Guys like me/Omni are here at different timezones (7.20am sunday here); I have to trust his reads are on the same page as me... Your completely avoiding this accountability.

On March 17 2013 08:19 Moology wrote:
(4) Prome - I dont agree with marvs basis for a strong town read. I think good mafia can be flexible; + his first reaction was to ask "is it a loaded question"... (to me, indicating: he is thinking critically how answering this question will *AFFECT* his perceived image)

As an aside its important to note, I dont think full meta reads apply to this game. You and another hydra head to ground you and help influence you to decisions you would not normally make. I think Marvs point was that the about turn came in minutes... but does it really take *just* minutes to re-read a filter and change your mind? I think it takes more time, so i dont find FTs "town read" relevant.

On March 17 2013 08:31 FiveTouch wrote:

You are missing the point entirely.

Yes, scum can be flexible *WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE*.

To play scum well, you have to be able to read thread atmosphere, and know how to 1) manipulate it, and 2) use it to know who you can push for a successful mislynch. Everything about the thread atmosphere at the time when Promato was talking about ObsQT was pointing towards ObsQT being a very possible lynch candidate. Scum don't shut down a potential mislynch option for themselves for no reason whatsoever. If thread atmosphere is turning, they will "change their minds" etc, but that was not the case at the time.

I think its very, very, very unlikely that Promato is scum.

On March 17 2013 08:31 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
and dealing with flood control when you have two spammy townies on the same hydra is annoying as fuck.

Franky. i dont get two shits about judging the "hydra".. because..
Guys like me/Omni are here at different timezones (7.20am sunday here); I have to trust his reads are on the same page as me... Your completely avoiding this accountability.

(Hapa)Huh? Not sure what you're getting at with the "accountability" thing.

On March 17 2013 08:38 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Eh no sense in defending him marv. Yamato is a big boy and can defend himself. I think he's town too, but he's posting far less than I'd like him to.

On March 17 2013 08:39 Moology wrote:

Well my perspective is:
(1) If they are scum; they *KNOW* your alignment.. im thinking you are town, and the thread atmosphere indicates the same thought.

So
(2) if someone you know is town; and everyone else thinks their town; and has a reputation for solving games comes and puts soft-pressure on you: do you cock up and stick to your guns; or be soft and play the nice-guy card.

Survival instincts, and typical mafia play suggest: be jelly every time.

Fact is: Day1, usually there are multiple candidates to consider (as either alignment). I think as scum, its a low risk option to discard a current read, to appease someone you are threatened by. + can always play the "reads subject to change card" to shift them back into the limelight. Survival suggest playing the long game; not the short one....

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one

(moc)

On March 17 2013 08:46 FiveTouch wrote:

Haven't you figured out this isn't marv yet? Marv hasn't posted since like 8am this morning.

Anyways, I'm not particularly trying to defend yamato. I'm explaining my read because I feel it is damn good reasoning and if someone wants me to think about Promato maybe being scum, they need to have some equally good reasoning.

On March 17 2013 08:47 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:


Wait what? You do a good preachy marv impression =/