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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 17 2013 07:43 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Anywho Moology, where do you stand on Caster right now? Do you still unequivocally support an ObliviousEyes lynch first? Yes, Although I do believe Golems is our 2nd scum, I see no reason to lynch him over OE today. After OE flips scum all of this will stop being speculation, Prom will imo without a doubt be town and Golems will be guilty. I admit I've had some bad calls by switching to my 2nd scum read for votes lately and that is also weighing on my mind. I'd much rather lynch my top scum read than lynch Golems with even the slightest chance that he's actually our JK and he's just played everything terribly up till now. I guess his blue claim as much as it seems awful does still give me 2nd thoughts. I don't think any townie should be fine to just lynch a blue claim with no counter even with all this evidence against him. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
ObliviousEyes (3): Promato, FiveTouch, Moology TLCastingGolems (2): NewbieXXXI_ObsQT, DrParnassus Promato (1): ObliviousEyes Not Voting (1): TLCastingGolems Currently, ObliviousEyes is set to be lynched! ~24 hours left until the deadline. Full Version:+ Show Spoiler + ObliviousEyes (3): Promato, DrParnassus (0): TLCastingGolems (2): Promato (1): ObliviousEyes, | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
Although Prom hasn't said very much really, Almost less than me. if OE flips scum he'll be town in my book though. No reason for him to start the lynch on OE if they were both mafia. For now he's null. They claimed to be busy and I can understand exactly how much that takes away from being able to post. DrP is my strongest town read. His back and forth with Mocsta at the very start put him as townie imo. He continues to scum hunt and nearly everything he has said resonates town to me. The constant change in opinion from Thrawn/Oats is a little concerning but at the same time I don't think town really needs to worry about having different opinions where scum would be the ones who need to always be on the same page. Maybe I'm thinking about that wrong but imo it makes sense in a hydra game. FT is right behind DrP and is also a town read for me. He seemed genuinely upset (and imo mistaken) that people were just going to sheep his vote and stop scum hunting for the rest of the day. Both DrP and FT have made their thoughts on who is town/scum very clear and the reasoning behind it is sound. It's for that reason I thought one of them would have made a good NK target and also why I found it so strange when Golems said he JK'd you (newbie) instead of one of them. You as well seem town in my book because of the way the Dirk lynch was set up. I can't see you as being scum and basically lining yourself up to be lynched today to get rid of DIRK. If Prom hadn't got on VE's case and called him out / forced him to handle the pressure so poorly I think you would have the majority of votes right now competing with Golems instead of VE. For that reason you are also null - leaning town until the flip of VE. This is another reason why I want to see VE dead. When he flips scum I can move both yourself and Prom to town and as I know I am town, this only leaves Golems left to be scum. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
Interesting claim to wake up to. Newbie thoughts on those 3 players (1) FT - I got a good town read on them (2) Dr.P - Done some weird shit this cycle (voted themselves) but still my best town read (3) Newbies - You guys are becoming better town read.... BUT.. i get the feeling it is only hapa posting ??!?!?!??! (4) Prome - I dont agree with marvs basis for a strong town read. I think good mafia can be flexible; + his first reaction was to ask "is it a loaded question"... (to me, indicating: he is thinking critically how answering this question will *AFFECT* his perceived image) As an aside its important to note, I dont think full meta reads apply to this game. You and another hydra head to ground you and help influence you to decisions you would not normally make. I think Marvs point was that the about turn came in minutes... but does it really take *just* minutes to re-read a filter and change your mind? I think it takes more time, so i dont find FTs "town read" relevant. Final Stance I am for a VE lynch. I still don't get why a scum would shoot their main "scumspect" but, that it is only OO posting makes me just go *ignore, lets lynch* CastingGolems are the #2. I dont like the claim; having gone to the OP we are not certain on the # of blues. So unless we have 2 other blues in the mix (Not asking for a claim).. I dont know how valid it is.. i mean.. I could say we were JK and jailed Marv..Why should that statement alone keep me in the game? The context the claim out with; and HOW it came out with.. i dunno just smells real fishy. I *Still* want to see more accountability from Casting and develop a proper case vs sheep.case. They have essentially 24hrs to produce the goods. (moc) | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
Initially you had me as town due to the NK: On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote: What the fuck... ##Vote: ObliviousEyes With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again. I thought even Mocsta touched on VE's town meta in his case. Personally I (omni) have never played with VE but I worked it out another way for scum VE to still make sense to me without meta, and that was determining that a mafia Newbie would never have made the NK on Dirk and therefore my previous suspicions had been wrong. Obviously wrong about Dirk, and through a town Dirk, probably wrong about Newbie. Rather than knowing how VE plays I tried to use process of elimination and found that I could not eliminate the possibility of a scum ObliviousEyes. Then you kinda forgot about the vote for a little while, calling me "null (leaning town)" in two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=36#714 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=40#793 Then in your most recent post, you're back to calling me effectively town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=41#804 You as well seem town in my book because of the way the Dirk lynch was set up. I can't see you as being scum and basically lining yourself up to be lynched today to get rid of DIRK. If Prom hadn't got on VE's case and called him out / forced him to handle the pressure so poorly I think you would have the majority of votes right now competing with Golems instead of VE. For that reason you are also null - leaning town until the flip of VE. What's the reasoning for the read downgrade in the middle? | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
(3) Newbies - You guys are becoming better town read.... BUT.. i get the feeling it is only hapa posting ??!?!?!??! Yep. Iamp is being lazy... he says I'm doing well enough for the both of us >> | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:20 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Yep. Iamp is being lazy... he says I'm doing well enough for the both of us >> hahaha  My reason for the change is that I had started to run with some crazy theories in my mind to try and work out the Dirk NK, one of them being if you were the scum team with VE and he did it to intentionally make you the next lynch so you could say exactly what I brought up about you being the most likely lynch after Dirk... and it started to hurt my head and I decided I was reading way too far into things and deleted it all. Some if that evidently still came through in my posts though. (Omni) | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:20 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Yep. Iamp is being lazy... he says I'm doing well enough for the both of us >> Thats a problem for me. The issue I had with your play was You were coming across townie to me & iamp.. well. . lets just say he wasnt. If now all you are doing is posting... well... i have concerns. Franky. i dont get two shits about judging the "hydra".. because.. Guys like me/Omni are here at different timezones (7.20am sunday here); I have to trust his reads are on the same page as me... Your completely avoiding this accountability. Thing is.. from what I am aware, you spew bullshit when scum; and im not seeing that. so i would still go with town; i just think its important that iamp posts as well. BTW.. just realised, points like the above, is stuff Omni will have no clue about (hes only played newbies).. so yeha, our raeds can differ until i give him context. (moc) | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:25 Moology wrote: Thats a problem for me. The issue I had with your play was You were coming across townie to me & iamp.. well. . lets just say he wasnt. If now all you are doing is posting... well... i have concerns. Thing is.. from what I am aware, you spew bullshit when scum; and im not seeing that. so i would still go with town; i just think its important that iamp posts as well. Yeah that's understandable. I'll poke iamp in the QT a bit. Honestly though, I've kinda liked the freedom to post myself for now. I've gotten on a bit of a roll, and dealing with flood control when you have two spammy townies on the same hydra is annoying as fuck. Franky. i dont get two shits about judging the "hydra".. because.. Guys like me/Omni are here at different timezones (7.20am sunday here); I have to trust his reads are on the same page as me... Your completely avoiding this accountability. Huh? Not sure what you're getting at with the "accountability" thing. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:19 Moology wrote: (4) Prome - I dont agree with marvs basis for a strong town read. I think good mafia can be flexible; + his first reaction was to ask "is it a loaded question"... (to me, indicating: he is thinking critically how answering this question will *AFFECT* his perceived image) As an aside its important to note, I dont think full meta reads apply to this game. You and another hydra head to ground you and help influence you to decisions you would not normally make. I think Marvs point was that the about turn came in minutes... but does it really take *just* minutes to re-read a filter and change your mind? I think it takes more time, so i dont find FTs "town read" relevant. You are missing the point entirely. Yes, scum can be flexible *WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE*. To play scum well, you have to be able to read thread atmosphere, and know how to 1) manipulate it, and 2) use it to know who you can push for a successful mislynch. Everything about the thread atmosphere at the time when Promato was talking about ObsQT was pointing towards ObsQT being a very possible lynch candidate. Scum don't shut down a potential mislynch option for themselves for no reason whatsoever. If thread atmosphere is turning, they will "change their minds" etc, but that was not the case at the time. I think its very, very, very unlikely that Promato is scum. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:31 FiveTouch wrote: You are missing the point entirely. Yes, scum can be flexible *WHEN THEY HAVE TO BE*. To play scum well, you have to be able to read thread atmosphere, and know how to 1) manipulate it, and 2) use it to know who you can push for a successful mislynch. Everything about the thread atmosphere at the time when Promato was talking about ObsQT was pointing towards ObsQT being a very possible lynch candidate. Scum don't shut down a potential mislynch option for themselves for no reason whatsoever. If thread atmosphere is turning, they will "change their minds" etc, but that was not the case at the time. I think its very, very, very unlikely that Promato is scum. Well my perspective is: (1) If they are scum; they *KNOW* your alignment.. im thinking you are town, and the thread atmosphere indicates the same thought. So (2) if someone you know is town; and everyone else thinks their town; and has a reputation for solving games comes and puts soft-pressure on you: do you cock up and stick to your guns; or be soft and play the nice-guy card. Survival instincts, and typical mafia play suggest: be jelly every time. Fact is: Day1, usually there are multiple candidates to consider (as either alignment). I think as scum, its a low risk option to discard a current read, to appease someone you are threatened by. + can always play the "reads subject to change card" to shift them back into the limelight. Survival suggest playing the long game; not the short one.... I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one (moc) | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:31 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: and dealing with flood control when you have two spammy townies on the same hydra is annoying as fuck. Truest words spoken this game. Now i just need to hear it on the podcat in that deep sultry voice  Franky. i dont get two shits about judging the "hydra".. because.. Guys like me/Omni are here at different timezones (7.20am sunday here); I have to trust his reads are on the same page as me... Your completely avoiding this accountability. (Hapa)Huh? Not sure what you're getting at with the "accountability" thing. Perhaps i worded that harshly. I meant, if one guy is coming across not townie; and one guy is coming across townie. To me its concerning the "not townie" guy stops posting. The net effect is, your townie stock rises - but in my opinion artificially.The point is: I understand the hydra speaks for both parties. and we have a QT; so technically one guy could represent the hydra publicly all the time; whilst they are actively 'debating' in the QT. Its just, with timezone differences we get scenarios where people have to post "off-the-cuff" and we have already seen Marv pin down OO for that. i.e. OO was held accountable for a post he made that represented his hydra. Hence, if iamp is being perceived negatively, I think its odd, that he would stop posting. *It also times well with OO being nailed* Look, as I said before, my town read on *you* is strong enough to not put much weight into this currently. But if the game was to continue down this path, I would be concerned. (moc) | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:38 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Eh no sense in defending him marv. Yamato is a big boy and can defend himself. I think he's town too, but he's posting far less than I'd like him to. Haven't you figured out this isn't marv yet? Marv hasn't posted since like 8am this morning. Anyways, I'm not particularly trying to defend yamato. I'm explaining my read because I feel it is damn good reasoning and if someone wants me to think about Promato maybe being scum, they need to have some equally good reasoning. On March 17 2013 08:39 Moology wrote: Well my perspective is: (1) If they are scum; they *KNOW* your alignment.. im thinking you are town, and the thread atmosphere indicates the same thought. So (2) if someone you know is town; and everyone else thinks their town; and has a reputation for solving games comes and puts soft-pressure on you: do you cock up and stick to your guns; or be soft and play the nice-guy card. Survival instincts, and typical mafia play suggest: be jelly every time. Fact is: Day1, usually there are multiple candidates to consider (as either alignment). I think as scum, its a low risk option to discard a current read, to appease someone you are threatened by. + can always play the "reads subject to change card" to shift them back into the limelight. Survival suggest playing the long game; not the short one.... I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one (moc) Why are you talking about my alignment? Promato didn't change his mind about *ME*, he changed his mind about Hapa/iamp. Who were a very real possible candidate during night 1, which was when the conversation happened. And the basic premise of your problem with my read is flawed. I wasn't putting pressure on Promato because of his read. In fact, I was ENCOURAGING, his read. That's a major, major difference. | ||
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NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
183 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:46 FiveTouch wrote: Haven't you figured out this isn't marv yet? Marv hasn't posted since like 8am this morning. Anyways, I'm not particularly trying to defend yamato. I'm explaining my read because I feel it is damn good reasoning and if someone wants me to think about Promato maybe being scum, they need to have some equally good reasoning. Wait what? You do a good preachy marv impression =/ | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 17 2013 08:47 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Wait what? You do a good preachy marv impression =/ Not an impression. That's how I generally post as well once I get into my groove. Notice the distinct lack of any dears. | ||
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Moology
Italy144 Posts
as I said before: I am going to have to agree to disagree. Two different trains of thought. Regardless, promato are not my primary concern for this cycle; its OE / TLCastingGolems. Be back in maybe 6hrs if anyone has questions for moology (moc) | ||
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