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STRONG TOWN READS
TLCastingGolems
This is without a doubt, my strongest town read in the game. No doubts about it. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. I don't particularly care to explain exactly why I feel this way, but rest assured that the reasoning is rock-solid. I'll give you a hint... put yourself in their position and assume you're town. Do the same thing, but assume you're scum. I say that the town option is the only sensible option for this hydra. DO NOT LYNCH. PLEASE! This is without a doubt, my strongest town read in the game. No doubts about it. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. I'll give you a hint... put yourself in their position and assume you're town. Do the same thing, but assume you're scum. I say that the town option is the only sensible option for this hydra. DO NOT LYNCH. PLEASE! This is without a doubt, my strongest town read in the game. No doubts about it. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH. I say that the town option is the only sensible option for this hydra. DO NOT LYNCH. PLEASE!
DO NOT LYNCH!
Moology
I can't imagine Moology being scum considering how they've handled the immense amount of stupidity that both myself and Oats have thrown their way. This is another person that I advise you to NOT LYNCH. DO NOT LYNCH THIS HYDRA!
WEAK TOWN READS
Promato
I loathe their lurky play thus far however I think they are town, and I'm fairly confident about this read. Yamato's push on the VE/OO hydra last night felt genuine. I haven't liked prom's play, but I haven't liked it in the way that I often don't like his play when I've mistakenly called him scum in the past. Pressure the hell out of these two, especially yamato, but don't lynch them D2.
ObliviousEyes
Meh. I had a town read on VE for almost all of D1. His voting actions suggest that we don't need to worry about him for now. The only problem with this read is that he's dropped off the face of the earth since N1 started, and Obvious' posts have felt a little off every now and then. I would definitely NOT lynch this hydra D2, but like the promato pair, these guys need to be pressured.... especially VE. It shouldn't be too difficult to figure out VE's alignment. (try to get him emotionally involved and see what happens. as town he'll froth at the mouth, as scum he'll fake the same reaction)
NULLISH READ
FiveTouch
This is a difficult one. Keir has been pretty useless, much like he was in dueling mafia where he was scum. What I remember most about his play is him stepping in to defend his other half, marv. However, his manner seems completely different than the meek keir I remember from dueling mafia. When asked if he wanted to duel thrawn, he replied with:
"I would be ok with dueling thrawn."
That's a fairly good representation of his play in that game. His words had no bite; he didn't seem to care about his opinions at all. That's the opposite of how he's played this game. I don't like his contributions, however this is a game where the average poster only had .94 pages of filter by the D1 lynch deadline. His style of posting in this game suggests that he's town.
Then there's marv. I have a town read on marv. Ask me 5 minutes from now, and it might be a scumread. 5 minutes after that, it'll probably be a town read. I'm putting marv at null, but leaning town.
SCUM READS
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
I have a scumread on thiss'un, but I don't want to lynch it just yet. That spot is reserved for Dirk. But here's why I think this hydra is scum.
Iamp:
Iamp is sometimes called scummy (by a few) in games where he's town, but despite that he's always a shining beacon of townieness for everyone else. In games where Iamp is town, there is always a bunch of people who have very strong town reads on him. I stand by my earlier comparison, that he's coming across as a grumpy old fart rather than an all but mod confirmed innocent child. He has no agenda this game, he hasn't cared about anything except to "push" the wittyname wagon after everyone had already started doing so. There's none of the playfulness of his town meta, none of his willingness to tell people off to get them to do what he wants. When he's town he doesn't make huge cases and such, but he always cares about the lynch and has a very clear agenda. This game, there is none of that.
Hapa:
Through D1 I had a town read on hapa at times, but after a recent re-read of his filter I am pretty sure he's scum. I've played several games with hapa and I think I know his town meta by now. Go read the recently finished British Mafia II and contrast that with his play in this game. In this game, he's hardly interacting with the thread. As town, hapa will pursue anything even slightly suspicious until he's confident about his reads. He hasn't been doing that this game. His interest in this game is quite lacking, and for hapa, that's probably the most alignment-indicative thing you can say about him.
DirkHardPeck
This hydra is scum, and needs to be lynched before anything constructive can happen.
The dirk issue needs to be cleared up immediately. I'm a little tempted to push his lynch tomorrow even if he starts acting extremely townie. I get the feeling that the trolling is going to continue. There are also some useful association cases to be made depending on his alignment, so he needs to be flipped ASAP. Regardless of his alignment, the longer he remains in the game, the harder the game will be to read. Even marv has begun making associations cases based on a 'red-dirk' theory. Besides all of that, HE IS SCUM. There's like, no room for debate. He posted this:
On March 15 2013 22:15 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Not unexpected but probably for the best as he did not seem to be interested at all in playing the game. Let's check up on things tomorrow and see what has happened.
/chaos13
"Not unexpected" is not a phrase a townie would use to describe yesterday's lynch outcome. Only a scum player could have foreseen wittyhyrda flipping town. Don't listen to anything this hyrda says, just lynch him PLZ. LYNCH THIS HYDRA, LYNCH HIM D2.
Welp, that's about it. I posted this early because I have shit to do in a couple of hours so I won't be around right at the deadline. I'll be on for a few more hours. I don't particularly expect to be night-killed because there are lots of players in the game who are much better than me, but I wouldn't be surprised by a night-kill cos I'm fairly high on everyone's townie list.
Oats isn't gonna be here for the deadline either. He disagrees with me on a lot of stuff but oh well... this is my will, not his.
--tom waits
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ebwop
change the "nullish read" heading for fivetouch to "nullish town read"
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
I don't really agree with your conclusions. I'll post more later. I've checked the filters I need.
~marv
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On March 16 2013 04:57 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't really agree with your conclusions. I'll post more later. I've checked the filters I need.
~marv
i'm guessing you're gonna call newbieobs town, and probably one of promato/oblivious scum? I have to leave in an hour so get back to me soon
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 16 2013 04:59 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 04:57 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't really agree with your conclusions. I'll post more later. I've checked the filters I need.
~marv i'm guessing you're gonna call newbieobs town, and probably one of promato/oblivious scum? I have to leave in an hour so get back to me soon
I'll post at deadline as per usual.
~marv
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Everyone yelled at the castinggolems for all of D1. The majority of the yelling had to do with their roleplaying..... yet they kept roleplaying? Would scum do this? I don't think so. They only recently stopped, but it was due to "time-constraints" instead of peer-pressure. I say the fact that they continued to role-play despite everyone bitching about says that they're town. The whole modkill argument... I wouldn't put too much stock in that. While stupid, I've seen that argument used A LOT in newbie games.... and not only in newbie games for what it's worth.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 16 2013 05:08 DrParnassus wrote:
Everyone yelled at the castinggolems for all of D1. The majority of the yelling had to do with their roleplaying..... yet they kept roleplaying? Would scum do this? I don't think so. They only recently stopped, but it was due to "time-constraints" instead of peer-pressure. I say the fact that they continued to role-play despite everyone bitching about says that they're town. The whole modkill argument... I wouldn't put too much stock in that. While stupid, I've seen that argument used A LOT in newbie games.... and not only in newbie games for what it's worth.
This... this is not a good reason to have a strong townread on someone. You could easily make the argument the other way - if they gave it up immediately, they are immediately making the thread more readable, and making themselves more readable. Instead they chose to continue to be more unreadable than is necessary. You're effectively WIFOMING yourself into your strongest town read.
Just fyi, I think Golems are probably town too, but your reasoning is wonky.
~marv
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yeah it's wifomy but i gotta flip the coin eventually lol
i have other reasons to think they're town, but that's the one i came up with while i was high last night so it's my favorite
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On March 16 2013 05:18 DrParnassus wrote:
yeah it's wifomy but i gotta flip the coin eventually lol
i have other reasons to think they're town, but that's the one i came up with while i was high last night so it's my favorite
There's flipping a coin, and there's screaming do not lynch because you flipped said coin.
~marv
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oh and btw, don't judge oats too harshly for his interactions with mocsta last night because of a lot of his posts..... he didn't write. i've been impersonating him for much of the game lol. it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which ones were me
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Blehhhhhhh I totally see where you're coming from on that read on me. The Day 1 lurker lynches made me too lazy.
Instead of typing up a stand-alone post, I'm just going to voice my differences of opinions on what you wrote above:
TLCastingGolems - I don't know where you're coming from ont his one. He has definetely gotten better. HOWEVER, nothing that suggests a strong town read. I can make perfect sense of his actions from scum or town. Perhaps even moreso as scum given his absences in the thread. You're going to have to explain this one more.
Promato - Leaning scum. Prome is busy and that's understandable, however the Yamato half has been nothing like I'd expect from town Yamato. Even barring his early-game inactivity, his contributions since have been less than impressive. There's a very wishy-washy list post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=23#445
...and there's a couple of posts going after VE. However, it seems much more passive than I've ever seen from him. I'm also shocked to see Yamato not going after me right now. He railed on me in Duel for being passive, and that's how I've played thusfar. The only explanation for him not going after me I have is that he knows that I'm town.
FiveTouch - Marv is doing aaaaight. Kei on the other hand is playing like a hedgehog. I don't see him doing very much other than defending himself or attacking when someone else is behind him. My gut says that this hydra is town tbh, but I need to hear more from Kei.
DirkDirk - I get that Palmar is trolling, however my one reservation with calling this hydra outright scum is that I'd expect more effort from a scum-WBG.
If he doesn't put the effort in tomorrow, we really have no choice but to lynch him. However, I have my doubts about his allignment, and hopefully his promised activity tomorrow helps me get a feel for him.
Pretty much everyone else I have some degree of a town-read on.
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well that's just fantastic. i've called both prom and hapa scum at some point in this game, and they've both said my accusations are completely reasonable. what do?
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^ that post was mostly addressed at DrParnassus, then kinda bastardized itself into an actual read post.
~Hapa
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On March 16 2013 05:19 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:18 DrParnassus wrote:
yeah it's wifomy but i gotta flip the coin eventually lol
i have other reasons to think they're town, but that's the one i came up with while i was high last night so it's my favorite There's flipping a coin, and there's screaming do not lynch because you flipped said coin. ~marv
Although this is how he described it I agree with DrP about TheCastingGolems for reasons of my own. I liked their pressure on Mocsta and I wasn't involved in the game yet at the time of their disappearance so admittedly it hasn't weighed on me as heavily while looking at them. I see them as a slight town read after the case they made as I just can't see scum motivation behind a large amount of what they have done while I do see a lot of town effort that might be partially hidden by their posting style. No strong read on him but if he continues to play the was he has while I've been here I see no problem with him.
- OE
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir
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On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir
'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions.
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On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions.
I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus.
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On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus.
in that case, please realize that it doesn't come across that way. it comes across as marv being the only one who posts reads. nobody is privy to your and marv's convos
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On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus.
Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On March 16 2013 05:41 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. in that case, please realize that it doesn't come across that way. it comes across as marv being the only one who posts reads. nobody is privy to your and marv's convos
Here's a tip: marv is going to post our reads at the end of the night. That doesn't mean I didn't participate in making them.
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