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On March 05 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
You express interest in asking Hapa a question and think his buddying was suspicious but aren't motivated to give your opinion on him? That's strange...
I don't think Hapa is scum based on what you said about him.
Do you think Hapa is scum based on something else?
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On March 05 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
You express interest in asking Hapa a question and think his buddying was suspicious but aren't motivated to give your opinion on him? That's strange...
I don't think Hapa is scum based on what you said about him.
I simply wanted to hear your opinion first before I gave mine since you seemed to place value on me sharing mine first while I could see no reason why.
I find the post by hapa suspicious in that it has strong conclusions from very weak argumentation. That he's being so blunt about it and doesn't try to hide it does make me doubt, though.
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On March 05 2013 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On March 05 2013 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 05 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
You never had the balls. I KNEW IT!
Ok ok anyway our little circle-jerk here is probably town. That's the good news. what makes you think that? Why not? A bunch of people were super-eager to get things started and did wild things without thinking of their reputation. It's a townie circle-jerk until someone proves otherwise. If you're convinced this easily then I'm not sure I'm going to be too confident in your ability to find scum. Tell me Hapa, is this comment serious? I've seen plenty of mafia games that start out in a joking way and I don't see why it wouldn't be very easy for scum to do so.
This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings:
Dr.H (WELP)
Dandel Ion
Mr.CC
Thrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time)
So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town.
Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times.
Mafia's a simple game really.
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On March 05 2013 23:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 05 2013 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On March 05 2013 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 05 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
You never had the balls. I KNEW IT!
Ok ok anyway our little circle-jerk here is probably town. That's the good news. what makes you think that? Why not? A bunch of people were super-eager to get things started and did wild things without thinking of their reputation. It's a townie circle-jerk until someone proves otherwise. If you're convinced this easily then I'm not sure I'm going to be too confident in your ability to find scum. Tell me Hapa, is this comment serious? I've seen plenty of mafia games that start out in a joking way and I don't see why it wouldn't be very easy for scum to do so. This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings: Dr.H (WELP) Dandel IonMr.CCThrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time) So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town. Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times. Mafia's a simple game really.
Dr. H has been 'cleared' only because he claimed blue, not because of the banter. I agree on your Dandel read; he seems aggressive and willing to take action, but I wouldn't colour him as green as you have. How you can call Mr. CC as anything above null is beyond me. He's barely posted anything.
Also, fwiw, I didn't read my role until after I already commented on your post. I was going to bus you if we turned out to be in a scumteam :<
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Did anyone read their role pm?
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On March 05 2013 23:51 Promethelax wrote:
Did anyone read their role pm?
I did after my accusation of hapa. The PM was painfully short and without pretty colours. It was dissapointing.
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Small games like this are hard for scum. If you can read this don't be mad if you lose scum, this game is going to be a pain for you.
@ Prom
No I think Hapa is town.
I was initially impressed by CC asking for votes on him waiting for scum to hammer him, as in, thought of him as very townie. Then I remembered that he couldn't care less if he's scum and a townie would probably be afraid to hammer someone so quickly, so in truth it wasn't too unsafe to do.
That move makes him still slightly townie cause he was so spontaneously unafraid though.
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Well anyway, people I would lynch currently: Artanis, Prom, jay. Let's see what happens soon. Jay and Prom cause of exclusion, Artanis cause I can't unsee what I found scummy and he seems afraid to call Hapa scum after our confrontation.
But I'll see how he plays the day out, in the meantime I'll favour him over the others.
##Unvote
##Vote Artanis
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On March 05 2013 23:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I did after my accusation of hapa. The PM was painfully short and without pretty colours. It was dissapointing.
oh. I see what you mean. Well I know my role now. Good.
Vivax, you don't think Hapa is scum. You have a vote on jay for being best mislynch NA. Who do you think is scum?
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On March 05 2013 23:57 Vivax wrote:
Well anyway, people I would lynch currently: Artanis, Prom, jay. Let's see what happens soon. Jay and Prom cause of exclusion, Artanis cause I can't unsee what I found scummy and he seems afraid to call Hapa scum after our confrontation.
But I'll see how he plays the day out, in the meantime I'll favour him over the others.
##Unvote
##Vote Artanis
I think you place too much importance on your confrontation. I'm not calling him scum because whilst I found what he said suspicious, I still wonder if it's something he'd say this confidently as scum. Would you consider it more towny if I tunneled him?
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Well it's this overall impression I have of you, not just that.
If you answered that you thought him to be scum I would have mentioned the reasons for why I think he's town. That's why I asked you if you thought him to be scum.
Since you said you doubt him to be scum I see no reason to mention the reasons for why I think he's town. I still have my reasons for my townread pasted in a document to be posted later if it need be. But I don't see a reason to defend anyone when he's not in danger.
If you're town then just play like you're town and I might or might not change my opinion about you. Discussing my impression of you is not going to be productive. Try to find some useful information on your own instead.
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On March 06 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:
Well it's this overall impression I have of you, not just that.
If you answered that you thought him to be scum I would have mentioned the reasons for why I think he's town. That's why I asked you if you thought him to be scum.
Since you said you doubt him to be scum I see no reason to mention the reasons for why I think he's town. I still have my reasons for my townread pasted in a document to be posted later if it need be. But I don't see a reason to defend anyone when he's not in danger.
If you're town then just play like you're town and I might or might not change my opinion about you. Discussing my impression of you is not going to be productive. Try to find some useful information on your own instead.
So you're hiding information about why you think Hapa is town (aka town tells), yet you consider him town for giving town tells. Which means that either you think Hapa is town for doing something anti-town, or you're being purposefully anti-town. Please do tell me if I'm missing a third option here because I don't see it.
As for finding useful information on my own; there's precious little to go off in the thread so far other than the post I quoted before. We could talk about Dr.H's blueclaim but I don't see that going in any useful direction, nor all the joke votes that have been thrown around. Hapa's recent post doesn't really give me a lot.
Hapa, why do you consider Cheesecake a town read? Do you have any current scumreads?
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On March 05 2013 23:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 23:41 Hapahauli wrote:On March 05 2013 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 05 2013 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On March 05 2013 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 05 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
You never had the balls. I KNEW IT!
Ok ok anyway our little circle-jerk here is probably town. That's the good news. what makes you think that? Why not? A bunch of people were super-eager to get things started and did wild things without thinking of their reputation. It's a townie circle-jerk until someone proves otherwise. If you're convinced this easily then I'm not sure I'm going to be too confident in your ability to find scum. Tell me Hapa, is this comment serious? I've seen plenty of mafia games that start out in a joking way and I don't see why it wouldn't be very easy for scum to do so. This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings: Dr.H (WELP) Dandel IonMr.CCThrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time) So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town. Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times. Mafia's a simple game really. Dr. H has been 'cleared' only because he claimed blue, not because of the banter. I agree on your Dandel read; he seems aggressive and willing to take action, but I wouldn't colour him as green as you have. How you can call Mr. CC as anything above null is beyond me. He's barely posted anything. Also, fwiw, I didn't read my role until after I already commented on your post. I was going to bus you if we turned out to be in a scumteam :<
I'd be pretty impressed if I did what I did as scum tbh. It would be quite an improvement from past games :3
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On March 06 2013 00:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:
Well it's this overall impression I have of you, not just that.
If you answered that you thought him to be scum I would have mentioned the reasons for why I think he's town. That's why I asked you if you thought him to be scum.
Since you said you doubt him to be scum I see no reason to mention the reasons for why I think he's town. I still have my reasons for my townread pasted in a document to be posted later if it need be. But I don't see a reason to defend anyone when he's not in danger.
If you're town then just play like you're town and I might or might not change my opinion about you. Discussing my impression of you is not going to be productive. Try to find some useful information on your own instead. So you're hiding information about why you think Hapa is town (aka town tells), yet you consider him town for giving town tells. Which means that either you think Hapa is town for doing something anti-town, or you're being purposefully anti-town. Please do tell me if I'm missing a third option here because I don't see it. As for finding useful information on my own; there's precious little to go off in the thread so far other than the post I quoted before. We could talk about Dr.H's blueclaim but I don't see that going in any useful direction, nor all the joke votes that have been thrown around. Hapa's recent post doesn't really give me a lot. Hapa, why do you consider Cheesecake a town read? Do you have any current scumreads?
Uh did I not just talk about that an hour ago?
On March 05 2013 23:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 05 2013 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:On March 05 2013 10:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 05 2013 10:26 Hapahauli wrote:
You never had the balls. I KNEW IT!
Ok ok anyway our little circle-jerk here is probably town. That's the good news. what makes you think that? Why not? A bunch of people were super-eager to get things started and did wild things without thinking of their reputation. It's a townie circle-jerk until someone proves otherwise. If you're convinced this easily then I'm not sure I'm going to be too confident in your ability to find scum. Tell me Hapa, is this comment serious? I've seen plenty of mafia games that start out in a joking way and I don't see why it wouldn't be very easy for scum to do so. This is just about what I gathered from the proceedings: Dr.H (WELP) Dandel IonMr.CCThrawn (admitted to not reading his role PM at the time) So obviously the comment doesn't apply as much with Thrawn's admission, but I still stick by my stances on Dandel and Mr.CC. I perceive Dandel to be too fearless to be scum, and Dr.H (a vet player who he doesn't know) is a pretty brave target for a joke-bandwagon. Smacks of fearlessness and "not-giving-a-shit" about his image, hence he's town. Mr.CC just seemed townie with the light-heartedness of his posts. He also made me laugh a couple of times. Mafia's a simple game really.
I've played 3 or 4 games with him so I have a pretty good feel for how he plays. Admittedly I haven't looked through his latest scumgame (Nomination Mafia, in which he apparently played pretty well), which I need to do some time today. Otherwise, his attitude suggests townie CC.
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As for scumreads, the closest thing I have to a scumread is Prome right now, because his entrance to the thread was really underwhelming. He has four posts with no information of consequence, and a lot of those posts piggy-back off of observations already made in the thread.
On March 05 2013 23:35 Promethelax wrote:
1)Hapa: talk to me about thrawn's early game. I expect stupid trolly bullshit from Dan and CC but Thrawn seems much too content to lynch DrH early. What is it that gives you early town vibes from thrawn?
2)CC: why are you so insistent on getting the second blue to claim? you say that we'll have the advantage of another confirmed town but does that really outweigh the advantages of having a blue role who can actually do things without being murdered in the face?
3)Jay; whatever happened to your policy lynch vivax pre game plan?
1) Shows that he's not reading the thread carefully. If he did, he'd know that Thrawn admitted to not reading his role PM.
2) Again not reading the thread. CC/Dandel explained their reasoning pretty clearly for this.
3) This is just the point that Artanis made.
Overall Prome's play so far feels like my own scum-play. Walk in, ask a bunch of questions to look like you're active/spammy/contributing, then waltz out.
Prome seems to indicate here that he didn't read his role-PM, but I think it's a lie, since I've never seen him do something similar before, and he says so in the most indirect way possible.
On March 05 2013 23:58 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 23:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 05 2013 23:51 Promethelax wrote:
Did anyone read their role pm? I did after my accusation of hapa. The PM was painfully short and without pretty colours. It was dissapointing. oh. I see what you mean. Well I know my role now. Good. Vivax, you don't think Hapa is scum. You have a vote on jay for being best mislynch NA. Who do you think is scum?
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As for the Artanis/Vivax fight going on, the only thing I've drawn from it so far is that Artanis seems pretty townie. He's asking good questions, trying to start discussion, and overall feels very genuine. He has only one scum-game in the TL Mafia Database in which he was captain-king lurker on a quick readthrough, though I'll have to double check this.
As for Vivax, meh. Aggressive so far, but he does that regardless of alignment. His tunnel on Artanis seems forced, but that's as with anything on Day 1. Curious to see where he takes it.
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Hapa, I'm going to hard buddy the fuck out of you this game so be prepared to deal with my shenannies.
In regards to Prom:
You didn't read my post.
On March 05 2013 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So trolling aside I think another named VT should claim right now. Despite the possibility of catching someone with their pants down, it's not an infallible scumtrap. Confirmed townie is a good tradeoff for this luxury.
Unless you prefer Hapa's method.
I said a named VT should claim because they'll eventually have to in order to get confirmed townie status anyway. Dr.H or the possible named VT would die anyway, and we'd have the luxury of confirmed towns for the first two days at least.
Or maybe you know the second blue isn't a named VT.
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On March 05 2013 22:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm FoSing you Artanis.
Your play looks forced.
Huh wait. Since when do you FoS people?
Last I played with you (Normal Mini IV), you weren't afraid at all to throw your vote around on people you wanted answers from in the early game. I don't remember seeing it in other games either. It doesn't seem like you're scared to throw around your vote in general (due to your "joke" vote on Jay)...
On March 05 2013 16:32 Vivax wrote:
It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise.
##Vote jaybrundage
Best mislynch NA
... so what gives? You're voting someone for mysterious policy reasons, and pursuing your scumreads elsewhere. It doesn't look like you care about your vote, and your FoS looks like a neutered version of the pressure I've seen from you as town.
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On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote:Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o Buuuuut prolly za jokes. Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 10:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On March 05 2013 10:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
And the problem with claiming that is what? HoP has no powers, mafia has no increased incentive to hit me that they wouldn't normally have. We can strike setup A off the list of possible setups.
You can't throw 3 joke votes down in a game like this. With a scumteam of 2, they can swoop in and force an instant mislynch. In the ensuing chaos it wouldn't be terribly difficult to swing suspicion onto one of the initial voters. However, I don't think any serious townie wouldn't have realized that. At least 1 scum I would imagine has already voted me.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake You really think scum would hammer a random vote like that? That's recipe for getting owned the next day. Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D: Show nested quote +On March 05 2013 16:32 Vivax wrote:
It's abut 8:30 AM here and I'm about to move out. I support a jay lynch for the time being until I see something that convinces me otherwise.
##Vote jaybrundage
Best mislynch NA YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ
@Jay
This situation and Yamato's situation are not the same. Yamato hammered a scummy looking dude cus he was scummy, only fairly quickly. This is a random lynch based on trolling. If a scum hammered that they would die the next day guaranteed.
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