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On March 06 2013 06:46 Promethelax wrote:
yes it is, look at LIX for an example of his insane but town play vs fruity or lviii for his calm demeanor scum play. I'd say Vivax is one of the best scum players I've seen develop recently.
His recent town play in NMM IV was pretty decent and not totally nuts but I still find his meta deeply indicative of a sum vivax.
I want to see Artanis push his reads more though. I hate this kind of play.
@Dandel Ion
There are too many traps for a counterclaim. I'm not 100% confirmed unless I die, of course, but it would be a real bonehead move and my scum play is very careful regarding my own posting. I like to bus the shit out of my teammates and never claim.
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On March 06 2013 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 06:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 06 2013 06:38 Promethelax wrote:On March 06 2013 06:26 jaybrundage wrote:On March 06 2013 06:24 Promethelax wrote:
You'll note that I in fact have a sheepable argument on Vivax and that Vivax is scum. So feel free to sheep me and not be useless. Or you could think for yourself, a daunting task, I know. Use @xxxx plz makes life much easier. Also no need to talk down to anybody. I would prefer a town atmosphere free of assholes. it was @Dan and no, I do need to talk down to somebody who refuses to do anything except buddy his buddy. I would prefer a town atmosphere where we catch scum. I don't really care if we have a happy hug-bear land or not. DrH, I've noticed you have returned. You have anything to say about not Dan? Artanis/Vivax/Jay one of these is a scum, that's my gut. I actually need a lot of time before I make a vote I'm comfortable with, I have a routine. You just voted for me, and I don't even make the list? I'm real disappoint, son.
Sorry, I meant to list people that are involved in the argument with Artanis supporting lynching Viv or Jay and Vivax supporting lynching Artanis.
I remember last time I played with a town Artanis he was a DT who PM'd me and basically posted nothing strong in the thread and relied on me to push his checks and reads. So I'll think about that. If anyone hammers Artanis before he defends himself, they're scum.
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Fair enough, I'll take a step back and allow Artanis to do what he needs to do. I'd still argue that Art is probably town but I'm happy to give him the time to prove it. Or fail to prove it.
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On March 06 2013 06:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 06:46 Promethelax wrote:
yes it is, look at LIX for an example of his insane but town play vs fruity or lviii for his calm demeanor scum play. I'd say Vivax is one of the best scum players I've seen develop recently.
His recent town play in NMM IV was pretty decent and not totally nuts but I still find his meta deeply indicative of a sum vivax. I want to see Artanis push his reads more though. I hate this kind of play. @Dandel Ion There are too many traps for a counterclaim. I'm not 100% confirmed unless I die, of course, but it would be a real bonehead move and my scum play is very careful regarding my own posting. I like to bus the shit out of my teammates and never claim.
That, imo depends on the setup.
I can see a 2goon team fakeclaiming NamedT.
Again, I'm not disbelieving YOUR claim atm, that was a bit too stupid to be scum, but it's healthy to not completely forget about that stuff.
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This is a fantastic setup because we can basically force players to defend themselves by voting 3-4 on them and then threatening to kill the hammer if they hammer early. Now I can pressure both sides of the argument to stop myself from second guessing myself too much. :-)
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On March 06 2013 06:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 06:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 06 2013 06:46 Promethelax wrote:
yes it is, look at LIX for an example of his insane but town play vs fruity or lviii for his calm demeanor scum play. I'd say Vivax is one of the best scum players I've seen develop recently.
His recent town play in NMM IV was pretty decent and not totally nuts but I still find his meta deeply indicative of a sum vivax. I want to see Artanis push his reads more though. I hate this kind of play. @Dandel Ion There are too many traps for a counterclaim. I'm not 100% confirmed unless I die, of course, but it would be a real bonehead move and my scum play is very careful regarding my own posting. I like to bus the shit out of my teammates and never claim. That, imo depends on the setup. I can see a 2goon team fakeclaiming NamedT. Again, I'm not disbelieving YOUR claim atm, that was a bit too stupid to be scum, but it's healthy to not completely forget about that stuff.
Sure, it would be a semisafe fakeclaim in setup A.
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It's just not something I would ever ever do as scum.
Every time I'm scum I scream and yell at my teammates not to do any fancy plans, not to fakeclaim, to play safe and simple and they never listen. I'm not good at analyzing the setup so I don't like to rely on it for my own play.
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3/4 setups involve a HoP, it would be out of the ordinary stupid for scum to fakeclaim named VT.
You disappoint me dad.
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Scum will know if it's setup A or not and it would be safe to claim there, js
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On March 06 2013 06:54 Vivax wrote:
3/4 setups involve a HoP, it would be out of the ordinary stupid for scum to fakeclaim named VT.
You disappoint me dad.
Not at all, you're wrong.
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On March 06 2013 06:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Scum will know if it's setup A or not and it would be safe to claim there, js
no they wouldn't...they'd know it is either A or D that is the whole point of this set-up. Town knows that the scum set up is one of two things and scum knows that town blue set up is one of two things.
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Oh right the roleblocker makes it a 50/50 chance.
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I implore people to actually read the OP and think about it.
Contrary to what people like to say, I sometimes do think before I post.
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Dandel start posting your reads and pushing them holy shit. You are here to answer any question that doesn't seem to be related to the players in this game.
You can brag all you want about your setup speculation but it doesn't help us at all, people don't plan on doubting DrH's claim any soon.
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wonderful. Now we're done talking about set-up can we get back to scum hunting?
DrH, I would suggest you look at Vivax and the concern he doesn't show in pushing his lynches. His vote on jay early followed by nothing changing in thread between a fos and a vote on Artanis followed by a buddying of Art and a vote on me. Vivax is scum.
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Prom stop lying. I never buddied Art, I asked him if he would support your lynch.
I also pushed my reads harder than anyone else in this game so your argument is colossally bad.
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On March 06 2013 06:59 Vivax wrote:
Dandel start posting your reads and pushing them holy shit. You are here to answer any question that doesn't seem to be related to the players in this game.
You can brag all you want about your setup speculation but it doesn't help us at all, people don't plan on doubting DrH's claim any soon.
I think I have been clear enough about my reads.
No need to yell them over and over if they don't change in that time.
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Yeah, I'm moving back to Dandel Ion. He was aggressive to begin with. And now he's playing scared and talking about the setup, something that might have been very carefully parsed in the scum QT. One of my rules of thumb is that the more familiar a player is with the rules/setup, the more carefully they have considered it, the more likely it is they are scum. Scum begin the game by talking about setup, considering their options (roleclaims, etc.) and asking a lot of questions to the host.
As town, I know I don't read the setup very carefully cause it doesn't play too far into the way I scumhunt unless someone claims and then I look to see if there's a way I can trap with that. The less familiar a player is with the setup/rules, the more likely it is they are town.
When a player ducks out of the day to only talk about that kind of stuff - it is very likely they care scum.
##Unvote
##Vote Dandel Ion
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On March 06 2013 05:31 Vivax wrote:Artanis you only had eyes and posts for me this game who else would you see as scum. You mentioned jay somewhat for not contributing and you're unwilling to go for Prom since he's posting more. Would you have a problem if we lynch Prom today?Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell.
Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town? There's this question pending. I didn't say you're town I said you did something that put you below jay: You asked Artanis if he had another scumread besides me but then refused to comment on what's going on between us so far despite you asking both of us questions. That does make you scummy cause appearing interested on the surface but disinterested in the substance. Artanis we lynch Prom today do you disagree? ##Unvote
##Vote Promethelax
"please sir would it be okay with you if I try to divert this lynch off of myself and onto a townie, would that be alight mr Artanis?"
yeah...not buddying at all.
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On March 06 2013 07:02 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 06:59 Vivax wrote:
Dandel start posting your reads and pushing them holy shit. You are here to answer any question that doesn't seem to be related to the players in this game.
You can brag all you want about your setup speculation but it doesn't help us at all, people don't plan on doubting DrH's claim any soon. I think I have been clear enough about my reads. No need to yell them over and over if they don't change in that time.
WOW have you even read your own filter
We need to hammer Dandel Ion right now.
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