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On March 15 2013 09:06 supersoft wrote:
Can one of you two:
10. austinmcc
21. Acrofales
compare stutters current game to former games. He plays scared; Unnecessary roleclaim; i don't get a scumfeeling tbh.
Day 1 I thought he could very well flip scum, mainly based on meta. Stutters has only played town games, and he ALWAYS lurks. However, when he delurks, he usually posts some reads (not a lot, but some). He wasn't doing that. He claimed Kenpachi in rather an obvious manner and then claimed he was playing even lurkier than usual for roleplaying reasons, which was terrible.
However, he has since cleared up his play and is looking more like he did in MTG 2. I don't really get scumvibes from his posts. He was sticking his neck out to get Xfire lynched. Not exactly a very dangerous lynch to put your neck on the block for, but if this was his first game, I would not even expect this from him. Obviously the lack of a scum meta makes it hard, but I've been hosting some newbie games and you can generally tell newbie scum from a mile away.
Also, his reads just seem right. This looks like he considered Foolishness' post and made up his own mind. Yes, it took him forever to come in and make the post, but it was somewhat against the flow of the game at the time, when I know I at least was considering Foolishness could be town and the post sincere, so this was going (somewhat) against the grain at the time.
On March 15 2013 02:07 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 13:53 Acrofales wrote:
Also, the following people have dropped off the face of the game: risk.nuke, HiroPro and Stutters.
@all 3: give me your thoughts on foolishness, marv, yamato and cora.
Ver's absense is going beyond just lurking and into complete inactivity. He's cruising for a modkill. Giving up on even trying with him. If he makes another minimal throwaway effort today, we lynch him tomorrow as the scum he is: If he doesn't then he gets replaced/modkilled. No point worrying about him now. I'm awake now and caught up. Foolishness: I'm going to read some of his past games but I'm not sure I buy his trap. It's really his only post of value (aside from his meta analysis on Vivax based off of one of his scum games). He makes decent points but essentially all he said on Yamato was the vig shot was anti-town and so was the disappearing. His crossfire case is a bit better but again his whole case is based around an action and associations. If Yamato or cross flips town then everything in that post is random conjecture without any proof and he'll still have contributed nothing. He might make these types of cases all the time but I need to check it. I'm leaning scum but not my first choice. My gut tells me town on Marv. He saw the same things on Cross that I saw d1 and really seemed to be the only other person really pushing for Cross when it was headed towards WBG around 24h in. Through his filter I don't see nearly as much jumping around as people say (he's jumped between his top targets which i don't remember him doing quite so much but he's got reasoning behind it). Post on the other two coming up.
Also, he is bothering enough to answer my questions in full, because he actually followed up on this.
Finally:
On March 15 2013 07:08 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 05:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap. Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP). Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario. Yes, it's pretty obvious, the most interesting thing about it is that Stutters couldn't work out this logic for himself. It's not a leap... is Stutters just not reading? Crossfire's filter isn't very long to miss ##Nuke Foolishness Obviously I saw the nukes. I was thinking it wouldn't be too far of a stretch that if both were scum they'd obviously both know they both got nukes and assumed they were fake but if one happened to be real he'd get crazy town cred for it. Additionally given foolishness' post about not liking busses when he's scum it seemed like a distinct possibility to me. I'm probably just being paranoid though.
This just doesn't sound like scum. Even if he is scum, this kind of conspiracy wifom does not sound like something a first-time scum comes up with.
Is it a conclusive town read? No. This is a game with oodles of veterans and he might be getting heavy coaching. He has no scum meta to compare it to, so it is also possible he is just naturally good at scum (some players are... DarthPunk for instance, is fairly new and yet his scumplay has continuously fooled everybody in all his games).
However, for now I don't see any reason to worry about him.
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KABOOM Mothafucka!!!
So... Foolishness was telling the truth?
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Okay. So this is a bit of a mindfuck. Does scum really have lynch-immunity? Maybe tomorrow we test the HRM method for killing Drazerk? Minority of votes on him?
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Or if this was a 1-shot I can imagine it as a scum ability.
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On March 15 2013 10:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, as my last will, here is 4/5ths of the scum team. They all have a hard-on for both defending each other, attacking me, not scum hunting, and shitting up the thread:
Yamato
Acro
Marv
Mocsta
Not very hard to tell with my flip
Peace out and GG gents.
Fixed that list for you
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On March 15 2013 12:25 austinmcc wrote:
Yamato the strongest town off that list, I don't think they pull that action. But "everyone scum suspects = town" ain't exactly a good rule to follow.
Okay, granted. Will look into the Cora-Mocsta relationship tomorrow. I don't see any reason to suspect Marv and I am town. Yamato-Cora is just absolutely not a scumteam.
Anyway, bedtime. GJ everybody!
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On March 15 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote:I'm here - just totally lost on how to proceed because it seems like all my reads are in the wrong places. But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote:
I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. <snip>
This is actually a really good point. Why on earth would a Foolishness/Cora scumteam play like this? They could have used Foolishness' power so easily to kill off a townie (Cora could have moved his votes to Yamato or even me without anybody thinking twice about it), but because Foolishness exposed the way his power worked, we took precautions and got Cora lynched.
This seems like such a stupid move from scum, that I doubt Foolishness is in a scumteam with Cora.
risk.nuke brings up 3P. I guess that's a possibility. But what evidence for a 3P do we have? Unlynchable survivor seems ridiculous... and the KP from last night seems to be just scum, so no evidence for an SK (it's possible there was a doublestack or a save). So what wincon does the 3P have?
So... Foolishness town? :O
Also, regarding medic saves: are there hit notifications this game?
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On March 15 2013 21:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
cba to do more and scum can't do shit about it cuz they have to shoot me.
olololol
Why do you think scum has to shoot you?
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On March 15 2013 21:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 21:12 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 15:08 slOosh wrote:On March 15 2013 12:15 marvellosity wrote:
also hi slOosh. we need to talk. I'm here - just totally lost on how to proceed because it seems like all my reads are in the wrong places. But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote:
I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. <snip> This is actually a really good point. Why on earth would a Foolishness/Cora scumteam play like this? They could have used Foolishness' power so easily to kill off a townie (Cora could have moved his votes to Yamato or even me without anybody thinking twice about it), but because Foolishness exposed the way his power worked, we took precautions and got Cora lynched. This seems like such a stupid move from scum, that I doubt Foolishness is in a scumteam with Cora. risk.nuke brings up 3P. I guess that's a possibility. But what evidence for a 3P do we have? Unlynchable survivor seems ridiculous... and the KP from last night seems to be just scum, so no evidence for an SK (it's possible there was a doublestack or a save). So what wincon does the 3P have? So... Foolishness town? :O Also, regarding medic saves: are there hit notifications this game? It's this kind of post that incensed me in the Duel Mafia ObsQT. Fuck me, Acro.
Why? Where is my reasoning wrong? How the hell does a scumteam throw away a free lynch on a townie? Both Cora and Foolishness were already the top 2 scumspects, so it's not as if someone unsuspected would be claiming scum by doing this. If Foolishness had kept quiet they could probably have gotten a townie lynched, pretty much for free. Why not do that?
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On March 15 2013 21:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 21:43 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:42 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:22 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
STARSENSES
Fool
sloosh
Hiro
Sutters
prplhose
four out of five are scum.
wheeee why hiro and why not risk? more importantly why not? because i don't see what you see in hiro and i don't see how people differentiate between me and risk now your turn if you don't want to answer both questions then the first one is the important one and the second one is really just because i'm curious but i dont wanna answer either!
I really have no idea why scum would want to kill you. You're being completely useless.
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On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game.
MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads.
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On March 15 2013 22:54 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:46 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:51 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:43 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:42 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
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more importantly why not? because i don't see what you see in hiro and i don't see how people differentiate between me and risk now your turn if you don't want to answer both questions then the first one is the important one and the second one is really just because i'm curious but i dont wanna answer either! why not? too much work i don't want a textwall, i hardly ever do just a couple of lines with your thoughts why do you want the thoughts on hiro, not the ones on you? That's not defensive enough, scum should be very defensive. can't you just give me those fucking thought jesus christ i don't care about your opinion on me because it's wrong and i'm not getting me lynched right now anyway. i don't have a strong read on hiro though so i'd like your thoughts on him because you look townie to me. now can you please stop being a pain in the ass and just answer my god damn question about why you think what you think. Who ever said I think? I'll replace prpl (dat's you) with Vivax on my list. And Hiro with Cross. Now it's my actual scum list: Fool sloosh vivax cross Sutters l0l
Fine. Your reads are all over the place. We talked quite a lot about stutters in MTG2. Why do you think his play here is so different? Or is he scum by elimination?
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On March 15 2013 23:08 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 23:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game. MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads. Vivax was in MtG2? Since when?
Talking about Marv's meta, not Vivax. Marv is using his OWN meta to make a meta read on Vivax, which just seems completely pointless. Moreso because he is misquoting his own meta.
I think Vivax is probably town, he is too fucking insane to be scum (and I caught him when observing his scumgames, because he is far more placating as scum than as town). So yeah, I will shoot down bogus arguments when I see them.
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Oh fuck. I read Vivax post as coming from Marv. Brainfart. Never mind. I'm an idiot. Ignore what I said.
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On March 15 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote:
Prom has announced he would RB Foolish, how can we trust the consequences if he shouts it out like that?
What do you suggest we do about it? Either scum can adapt to Foolish being RB'd, or they can't. In the former the roleblock has no effect, in the latter it does. That's about as much as we can hope for?
Also, Prom's second post about the matter sounded more like a vig shot: he seemed to be talking about permanently stopping the clock.
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dafuq. seriously. dafuq?!
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On March 16 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
Just read the first line.
Yeah, but which announcement is true now?
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On March 16 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
GreYMisT's post may be treated as fact.
Are you bastard moderators? Can we actually trust things you say?
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Anyway, lunch time. This shit is fucked up.
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