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The thread looks so clean  . I do not mean to clog it up, but here's something worth noting, and something that we don't seem to have looked at.
Who stole the vote?
Someone stole prplhz's vote. That person has not claimed. It is likely that person is scum (regardless of whether vivax is scum or not, unclaimed votestealing ain't townie).
The vote steal was NOT posted with the daypost. That means it wasn't a night action, someone actively PMed kita during the day, when the vote steal happened, and stole the vote. This means that the person who stole the vote was PROBABLY someone who was active at that time, posting.
The following people posted in the ~15 minutes before Kita's message that prplhz's vote was stolen: DI, Vivax, Crossfire, marv, risk, acro
The following people posted in the ~15 minutes after Kita's message: DI, marv, Oats, vivax, acro, prom, iamp, HiroPro
Out of those players, the following people voted Vivax/wanted vivax killed, and said so during that time:
Crossfire
Risk-ish
Dandel Ion
Oatsmaster
Acrofales
Promethelax
I believe that our scummy dude is one of those folks. DI has claimed not-politician, and appears to know something particular to a role that we know is in the game and has not been counterclaimed. Therefore, he is probably not the culprit.
There is a chance that the PM to vote-steal was sent earlier, and kita just wasn't around. However, Kita confirmed ONE MINUTE before the vote steal that Vivax was nuking marvellosity. So kita was around and reading thread, and the steal is likely something that happened RIGHT THEN, after the nuke, because Kita would have mentioned the vote steal before the nuke if the vote steal was before the nuke (probably. Not unreasonable to assume).
I cannot be sure, but I like Oats the most for the vote-stealer. He posted within one minute of Kita posting that prplhz's vote was stolen, to say that Vivax claimed scum and why were we not lynching him. Oats didn't just vote Vivax, that statement is the most "Hey guys, let's push the lynch onto Vivax" statement of the bunch, and vote stealing helps to do that. Around right at the time of the steal, pushing Vivax for a lynch, and he isn't DI-who has claimed a different role that is somewhat backed up by the daypost. I have not really been looking at Oats today, because of all this other stuff. Now I'm trying to focus on other things, and following this up will be one of them.
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On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 06:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
All I've seen from Acro's filter is:
"Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish"
BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt.
Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it?
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On March 15 2013 06:49 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote:On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 15 2013 06:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
All I've seen from Acro's filter is:
"Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish"
BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt. Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it? you don't lynch decafchicken Little cryptic, but I'm interested in the outcome here.
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On March 15 2013 06:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 06:51 austinmcc wrote:On March 15 2013 06:49 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 06:46 austinmcc wrote:On March 15 2013 06:43 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 15 2013 06:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
All I've seen from Acro's filter is:
"Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish"
BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. So you're going to go with the popular lynch, just like you've gone with the popular reads and the popular votes. You're not scumhunting at all. Your last post about Crossfire and Foolish is basically 100% of your contribution to the scum hunt. Cora, as a vote yoinker yourself, please look at the prplhz vote steal. Do you draw any conclusions from it? you don't lynch decafchicken Little cryptic, but I'm interested in the outcome here. you don't lynch someone based on how host wrote whatever bc explained it in this very game I get what you're saying. But I mainly care about Cora's response to that question, and don't love it.
Someone stole a vote to put on vivax because they didn't have "the balls" to vote for him themselves. I don't really get that AT ALL, and it shows a lack of reading the thread and that the desire for Cora wanting to "solve" the game isn't as strong as I read at the start.
That's the big takeaway for me, tbh. That there seemed to be focus on figuring out bugs's post and my mayoral campaign, but there's really not any interest in figuring out other curious bits and pieces, especially when we're dealing with a politician and cora appears to be something of the sort.
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Vivax, here is my question to you:
If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie.
Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow?
Foolishness,
You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff.
But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here.
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Supersoft,
I know you asked about stutters. I can go look at him if you want, but I do not have a good feel for his play. I remember him lurking heavily and me being wrong about him in LIX. I remember him lurking heavily in Themed and I think being correct with him?
In both cases it just came down to normal analysis of what he said when he said it. Weird defense of someone in LIX (I think that was it) = scummy. A couple good answers when engaged in discussion in Themed = town. I don't think I have a good sense of him on the whole though.
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On March 15 2013 10:01 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote:
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Vivax, here is my question to you:
If prplhz is scum, who stole prplhz's vote today? If you think scum stole his vote, to make him look good, why do it then? He was NOT looking he was going to get lynched today when the steal came through. Moreover, if scum chose to blow a politician role in order to make prplhz look good in the middle of the day, that makes it highly unlikely that ANY decent lynch candidate today was scum, or else they should have stolen that guy's vote and then had him use that to look townie.
Unless you can concisely, without spamming conspiracies, think up a reason for (1) town to steal prplhz's vote and NOT MENTION IT or (2) scum to steal scumprplhz's vote at that time, then at the very least table this until tomorrow?
Foolishness,
You should read those two posts of marvellosity's. There are a bunch of other scattered posts about you, but those directly address your case on him and some other stuff.
But I'd like to talk about this unlynchability nonsense. You claimed unlynchable, which seemed highly unlikely, especially given that you also claimed to have been told you were a one-shot vigi. Now you're claiming that you cannot be lynched, and the second place vote-getter will always be lynched in your stead? Did you just realize this? Just ask Kita/GreY? Or were you hiding that information earlier? Your claim felt bogus the first time around. It still feels that way now. Saying that the second place vote-getter will be lynched in your stead is STILL unlynchability, and seems enormously powerful compared to a lot of what we've seen. I don't believe that you're being truthful here.Are you completely nuts austin. Prplhz claims to know something others don't and you ask me why someone stole his vote when it could have been any anyone. Scum stealking his and a townie stealing his cause he thinks I was a nice target. Stop being dumb. This isn't a conspiracy theory. This is prplhz looking sure that the Russian message was sent out before the dawn when he had no reason to, it knows role knowledge he shouldn't have and can't justify as being his own. What I know is that prplhz asked a question that indicates he had extra knowledge. When marv responded, prplhz seemed to think that plexa's post was with the daypost. That means he was either lying or confused. We do not know which one. YOU do not know which one. On the whole, he did not "look sure," because when corrected, he said not to mind him.
Again, he is either lying or confused. Given the enormous number of "x hasn't read the thread" incidents so far this game, you can't just leap on that and call him scum. You're looking at a single facet of what someone has done, when that facet is not clearly scummy or townie, and making a read off of it, trying to push that read, when we're 46 hours into a day.
Hold it for D3 if you're around. If not, I promise to post at least 3 posts in all caps accusing prplhz of being scum.
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Thanks for the thoughts supersoft. Off the top of my head, questions that I have right away:
(1) Do you have any magical extra knowledge that should be in thread? Random role crap that you think would help town more than scum if it were out in the open?
(2) Are you a balance person at all? Your scum list feels vet/experienced heavy. Like corazon and crossfire are the only newer players on there, and crossfire has been around as long as I have, so he's not new new new. You've got 4 of the people that I've been lumping together for balance purposes as could/should be scum, and I'm kind of uncomfortable with that number.
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I don't think you should swing too many votes. If nothing else, GreYMisT said after themed that he liked that plaguemaster role that spread a disease nullifying votes on someone.
We shouldn't CREATE shenanigans in order to try and block shenanigans. Like, the only person saying something might be up with the votes is Foolishness himself, who does not appear to have been truthful earlier and who is kinda, you know, scum.
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Oh, ss, thanks for the answers. Was just looking at that list and entirely forgot about comparing it to the full playerlist, and that does balance things out a little more.
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Prom, without saying too much, did you stop the clock on me last night?
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On March 15 2013 10:56 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 10:55 austinmcc wrote:
Prom, without saying too much, did you stop the clock on me last night? If something happened to you It was not to me due You were not on my list to be stopped I did nothing to your power stop I hope that this gives you a clue
It do
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Here, just waiting. Kinda figured this:On March 15 2013 07:55 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
If you were town, you'd engage with me right now, because I'm being polite and trying to engage with you.
I also made that effort by writing those two posts.
Two posts which contain lengthy analysis that you claim I lack as mafia and have as town. Oh wow. Okay I will read them tonight, you can hold me to that.
would yield SOMETHING.
At the very least, another claim of how this unlynchability works. But looks like no.
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gg cora, had me fooled for a bit/somewhat through the whole thing.
On March 15 2013 12:09 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 12:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2013 12:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
Oh, so there's another votestealer... my vote counted as two because im a boss No the prplhz(?) vote was locked on d1, and cora couldn't have done it.
Cora only claimed slOosh's steal. Nobody claimed prplhz.
prplhz's vote wasn't locked on D1, only D2. Kita's post came just after the third nuke launched. Read thread is gud for DI.
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On March 15 2013 12:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 10:21 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, as my last will, here is 4/5ths of the scum team. They all have a hard-on for both defending each other, attacking me, not scum hunting, and shitting up the thread:
Yamato
Acro
Marv
Mocsta
Not very hard to tell with my flip
Peace out and GG gents. Fixed that list for you
I'll take Things We Can't Be Sure Of for 600.
Might still be scum on there. If nothing else, cora just tunneled yamato and anyone who defended yamato all game. Perhaps a ploy to make yammypants look good, or to hide a buddy in all cora's stuff.
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Yamato the strongest town off that list, I don't think they pull that action. But "everyone scum suspects = town" ain't exactly a good rule to follow.
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Promethelax, are you around? Interested in a couple things.
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Vivax is not always insane, nor has he always been insane this game. He just seems to cover up his sanity with rambling/conspiracies/whatever. He's not ENTIRELY unreasonable, not even in this game.
It's not a question of sanity/no sanity. If he's insane because he finds things that aren't things, oh well. If he's insane because he finds things that are demonstrably false/he made up in the first place, then I've got more issue with it. I keep going back to him absolutely fabricating what Foolishness said, admitting to not reading the posts, and continuing to argue as to what Foolishness said when he admitted not reading. That wasn't him finding something like this plexa bit, which is a THING, even if misinterpreted. That's him creating a THING out of whole cloth, then using it to be normal vivax.
The genesis of his being vivax, in the case of the foolishness thing early, and I think in a couple other things during the game, is what points most to him being scummy. He's creating his own springboards to launch into being vivax. I don't THINK I've seen him do that as town. I don't think it's a meta thing at all, tbh, but if he were town he should be looking at what's in the thread and drawing strange conclusions, not making up what's in the thread and drawing strange conclusions.
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Good lord. Just TALKING about Vivax makes everyone sound like Vivax. It's contagious.
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Can some people who feel like they have a handle on Oats give me a small rundown of meta/what to look for to read him?
I've been looking him back over, because we've still got scum somewhere stealing prplhz's vote.
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