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slOosh
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 04:38 HiroPro wrote: sloosh did you send the message. No, I'm guessing mafia Plexa hoped I wouldn't be here to clear it up and make a bigger mess out of thread. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 07:04 Promethelax wrote: sloosh, you scum? look at viv's crumb is clear he knew nukes = at least two whats this gambit you're trying to run? I don't understand your question - everyone knew nukes >= 2 at the time of his post. On March 13 2013 22:35 kitaman27 wrote: A nuclear missile has been launched targeting yamato77. The missile will detonate at the end of the day cycle. On March 14 2013 00:03 kitaman27 wrote: A nuclear missile has been launched targeting Foolishness. The missile will detonate at the end of the day cycle. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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The proper quote is On a side note, I find marvellosity to be less abrasive when he's town than he's mafia. Whereas he misconstrued that what Foolishness said wasmarvellosity is more abrasive when he's mafia than when he's town It's misrepresentation on a side point. In fact, if Foolishness is scum and marv is town, then marv should be glad to destroy and totally wreck Foolishness' case. If you bothered actually reading it, there are good explanations for his motives and his alibi checks out to a degree that everyone should be giving it an honest read. Town Foolishness is known for trolling around and busting out super cases anyways. NOBODY CARES should not be the response.I asked everyone this before, about what do you notice in BC's filter: On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie. Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad. People should give it a serious read. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 08:41 supersoft wrote: sloosh I LOVE it! good job. You gave to nukes to the right people. Really well played. Seriously. Okay my new circle of trust: Prom, sloosh, Foolishness, vivax, cDgCorazon. You don't vote each other. AWW YSS THE GANGS IN TOWN | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 08:55 Acrofales wrote: Okay, so tell me about Yamato. I disagree that his early game was scummy. I think his shot was terrible, but can't think of a reason for scum to do it, other than incredibly wifom shit (which I talked about with BC). However, he is dropping off in play. I am okay backing off from Foolishness for now. My strongest scumspect is still Cora, and what I said during the night still stands. Additionally, his case against me was so biased, cherrypicking posts out of my filter to paint me as scum, rather than considering the whole thing... why do you think he's town? Why the crap are you still talking about Cora? Clearly the issue is between Foolishness and marv. You should be spending time on that. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 09:01 strongandbig wrote: yeah i kind of feel like we should be lynching one of them today, because if one of them is scum he will kill the other one tonight and then probably persuade us all to lose Ok. Who? | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 09:04 Acrofales wrote: Sloosh, was that a voluntary use of your power and if so, why in god's name Cora? Of course not, who the heck would give their vote away? It was not compulsory either, i.e. someone used it on me. And again, why are you getting distracted about little things? | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 09:07 Acrofales wrote: I still think Marv is town, and am uncomfortable voting Foolish as well after that giant post. Why the hell does it have to be between them? I think Cora is scum. And you trying to shut down discussion is pretty fucking suspicious too. Because scum get off 2~3 more shots off today, confirmed town supersoft is no longer here to help us and clearly there's not that much in the rest of town that inspires confidence. That's why we talk about them today. I'm not shutting down discussion, I'm shutting down irrelevant talk. It's like if someone started talking about lynching lurkers. | ||
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I want to lynch marv first because we have the most clout today and he is hardest to lynch today, but I assume Foolishness has a good reason to go in that order. | ||
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slOosh
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Instead of pointing out the (what should be) obvious gaping logical holes of scum Foolishness' "case" in determining the three reads, you go after something inane. C'mon - rip it apart marv! There is actually plenty of reason to lynch yamato first - him flipping red does a lot to the current playing field, which is why I'm waiting on supersoft / Foolishness. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 10:00 marvellosity wrote: The most important thing of all is this. This is the most important part of Foolish's post. And this is obviously not true. If Foolishness is obv scum as you makes him out to be, then his whole case should scream it. Not the little footnote conclusion. Sick of your cherry picking marv. Sick of it. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 14 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote: One other thing. slOosh is either very very bad or mafia. Witness. slOosh saying... we should lynch marv today! yes! Now I make my post about how absolutely Foolish should be wanting to lynch me first, and for good reasons. I spelt them all out well enough. slOosh's response: Just absolute bullshit. slOosh thinks himself, before I posted, that I should be lynched first. I proceed to spell out the many reasons Foolish should want to lynch me first (mafia leader, shitting up thread, etc.) and that he's scared to take me on. slOosh responds to me saying it's a null point. Having just said HIMSELF why we should lynch me today! Fucking wow. I want to lynch marv and give my reasoning. supersoft and Foolishness and want to lynch yamato. I think about it, and then reason that there are good reasons for lynching either. THEREFORE IT IS A NULL POINT THAT FOOLISHNESS WANTS TO LYNCH YAMATO FIRST, BECAUSE THERE ARE GOOD TOWN MOTIVATIONS TO DO SO marv is twisting and misinterpreting the situation here, trying to throw crap on me and using this NULL point to push for Foolishness' lynch. On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote: Is there anything else you want to come clean about since everyone wants to kill you? Yes, last night I shot yamato77, but my bullet turned out to be a dud. According to the notification I received, the role lied to me and I did not actually have a one-time vigi shot. Thus I do not think anyone interfered with my shooting last night (I wasn't roleblocked or anything of the sort). When I was notified that I didn't actually have a vigi-shot, I thought that the nuke was the replacement for that. That is, my role ability is actually "may shoot someone at night with a dud bullet. If this ability is used the player gets a nuke the following day which he may use at anytime." He never said he was a vig. If you are trying to solve the game with role spec, then at least be honest with all the roles. Because you have a role that checks someone and shoots them later if they are town and you have a role that says he protected syllogism but the real syllogism died. Srsly. On March 14 2013 23:17 austinmcc wrote: I like this ^ slOosh especially, can you try dropping a vote on someone else? ##Vote: marvellosity On March 15 2013 00:10 austinmcc wrote: The above post is meh. It's not the third thing, the wanting to look townie, that gets me. It's the way he was concerned about looking townie. He wanted to use his vig shot to look townie. He wanted to use his nuke to look townie. He doesn't seem to realize that he could use his UNLYNCHABILITY to look townie. He wanted to use his role/actions to look townie, but not the giant, neon sign, HEY LOOK GUYS I'M TOWN part of his role. To do that he has to waste a town lynch. Waste a town lynch. When the town lynch is the most reliable important tool for scumkilling. Looking townie is important if scum has been shoveling doubt on you all day, because even if you have all the right reads, it doesn't matter if people don't listen. I think there are good town motivations for his actions. On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: I'll make it quite clear now. If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me. Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO. This is BS - you can make that argument for any vet. In fact, marv is a good enough scum player to know that him lasting till endgame is not necessary. Even if he gets lynched tomorrow after Foolishness flips town, he will have done his job, and 3KP goes through tonight. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 15 2013 02:19 marvellosity wrote: austin made the very specific point that I could be concentrating on Foolish to avoid a policy lynch later. That was me welcoming a policy lynch. And you're accusing me of twisting, slOosh? Ok. Let's not lynch Foolishness. If he is alive at LYLO we can lynch him. That's the logic in that statement which I called out BS. You continue to point out and inflate minor points as an excuse to ignore the major pertinent ones. Marv, if I had a gun right now I would shoot you. Either: 2) my reads are woefully wrong (potential) 3) you are scum Why does marv keep dodging? Why does he cherry pick at small things and inflate them? Why doesn't he address the main points and accusations? Cuz he scum. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 15 2013 12:15 marvellosity wrote: also hi slOosh. we need to talk. I'm here - just totally lost on how to proceed because it seems like all my reads are in the wrong places. But yea, here to talk nevertheless. Just need direction that's all. I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness, but his followup actions inspire no confidence, as does his nonchalant explanation of his role. Seems weird that they would choose to reveal the nature of their roles clearly - I haven't checked the votes but cora could have easily left his votes on yamato, and assuming he is town would have gotten him lynched and kept 3KP for scum this night. Uhh ... but yea that's WIFOM, which doesn't hold up to Foolishness' actions themselves indicating he is scum. Also his ability reminded me of this post. On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote: I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. @Mocsta plan point e) " (for him who knows) You town. I'm glad." I think risk.nuke handled his nuke in a very townlike manner. When thread chaos was a possibility he calmly said (soon after the first mod launch) On March 13 2013 22:38 risk.nuke wrote: Yeah, it can still be a dud. I didn't bother exposing him because I saw his usage (or lack thereof) of the nuke a very town like thing to do. The point of the Nukes was to help get reads on difficult to read people (from my perspective). I went through multiple iterations of deciding the group, and I chose to give Vivax, Foolishness, risk.nuke and crossfire99 the nukes because they were people I wanted a better read on. I forgo talking about nukes later on because it's not nearly as clear cut as straight up behavioral analysis that occured (and thread moves way too fast for me so I don't always follow up on stuff) | ||
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slOosh
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On March 15 2013 21:19 marvellosity wrote: Three things here. 1) The last time I remember slOosh making constant excuses about being absent and not having time was Dwarf fortress, where slOosh was mafia 2) given slOosh was so eager to talk about "the nukers", it seems almost impossible that he wouldn't want to talk about the non-nuker too. 3) This is the worst - "I haven't had a chance to read your 2 mega posts on Foolishness". Let's be clear here. slOosh came in to the thread yesterday, ranting like a prize buffoon, accusing me of this that and the other, saying I'd not done this or that, and this came after my first large response to Foolishness. This is unassailable proof that slOosh is throwing down his vote without actually reading the thread, without reading what i have to say. I should say, slOosh (not so confident to use the bold fond on him.... yet.) 1) Dwarf was a total of about 30 pages for 5ish cycles. This thread has 100 pages by day 2. I also missed the first half of D1 and I got the same crap in Nomination. Could I be scum for using this as an excuse to lurk? Yea. Could I be town who is genuinely busy, having trouble keeping up with a post heavy thread? Yea. 2) There's no reason for me to expose the non-nuker, because it gives a clear town read that scum would shoot (because they want to keep people alive for mislynches, and lurker risk.nuke is one such possibility). 3) Yes - I did not have time to read your first large response and posted even though having seen it (but not reading it) because I had no time. If you are arguing that I had I spent my time poorly, that may be true, but that is from your perspective. I still thought Foolishness was town and I still didn't like how you initially handled the case, and so I posted what I thought would help point it out. I still think that your initial points were pretty weak and if you want to tell me why I'm wrong in post-game that's fine. Like, it really does boil down to how much meta are you using. What can I do if I'm, for some reason or another, unable to play at the "level" I used to last year? Look at nomination mafia and bad I was there. You have to go back to ... uh Mad Men I think, to see my last "good" game. If you did honest research into my town meta, you would realize I always get shot early. The only good game I had past n1 was PYPoison, but that's because Radfield carried. You know of GM's mini II. Conversely my scum meta is very weak play. I understand that, and you understand that, having played Liquid City together, and the shadowing stuff. So the question is, when you use meta, are you simply comparing to townslOosh and deciding that since I'm different that I'm scum, or are you also looking at scumslOosh and concluding that I look enough like that that meta is valid? Because if I look like neither town or scum slOosh, then how is meta valid? But at the end of the day, this is really a roundabout way of going about things. Give me direction marv. Ask me to look at something and give my opinion on it, because you know that scum slOosh can't throw off the "burden of knowledge" that mafia have. Test me. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 15 2013 23:57 Vivax wrote: SlOosh you seemed sure yamato was scum why didn't you give him a nuke? Uhhh ... let me see ... 1st PM) yamato, HiroPro and risk.nuke 2nd PM) add Foolishness 3rd PM) prplhz, Foolishness, risk.nuke and HiroPro 4th PM) prplhz, Foolishness, risk.nuke and crossfire99 5th PM) Vivax, Foolishness, risk.nuke and crossfire99 I think it was because I was considering that I could just be paranoid and that it wasn't marv / yamato scum but instead Foolishness scum, because Foolishness' big post came sometime in day 2, and prior to that I was letting go of my marv / yamato scum idea. Then I gladly picked it back up when Foolishness came in with his big post and supersoft kinda backed it up. Yea I'd have to check precisely times and stuff but this is from memory. | ||
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slOosh
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Guh I'm getting paranoid again. | ||
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